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The_Wanderer

Morning all,

Iarnrod Eireann have repainted 071 into its original livery for the 40th anniversary of the class.

Click the link for the full story http://smu.gs/1TcfsnZ

savagethegoat

photos of it repeatedly deleted on facebook, some kind of embargo in force I think

The_Wanderer

savagethegoat wrote: »

photos of it repeatedly deleted on facebook, some kind of embargo in force I think

Embargo was lifted when IE announced it this morning
https://twitter.com/IrishRail/status/730663293090697216

Only found out this morning when Marty Miller on Radio Nova was explaining why he retweeted a photo of a loco. Looks well.

Captain Chaos

Great to see, I don't know if it's the old photo technology of the 70s but the orange back then looks a different shade. I think they used IE orange rather than the CIE tan, never mind the GM golden brown shade.

savagethegoat

I recall my very first visit to Mallow station when these were new and being quietly impressed. Those were the days! She looks great, but then I think they look great in grey too

Hungerford

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Great to see, I don't know if it's the old photo technology of the 70s but the orange back then looks a different shade. I think they used IE orange rather than the CIE tan, never mind the GM golden brown shade.

I don't recall IE orange being that bright. The numbers don't quite look right either. Still, most people won't notice the difference and it's nice to see the historic livery back in action, even if it's in a modified form.

Del.Monte

The original colour was closer to this. That said, it is only in recent years that the class has had a decent livery.

John Denver

Serious big up to Neil Dinnen for the notion

Hungerford

Having seen some photos now of it out and about, I think the colour scheme is closer to the original than it initially looked. Fair play to Iarnrod Eireann for doing something imaginative to mark the 071-class 40th anniversary.

Cookie_Monster

very different colour to the original IMO

Itssoeasy

Well done to IR. I'm no expert but would the paint look different because of the new paint being brand new and also forty years of paint technology means it might be the same colour but look different.

Captain Chaos

For what I have been told it is IE orange they used as they have alot of that left over. There was no CIE tan around to use naturally or course.

whisky_galore

I think it looks great.
It won't please rivet-counters, but nothing will please them anyway.

LXFlyer

whisky_galore wrote: »

I think it looks great.
It won't please rivet-counters, but nothing will please them anyway.

Exactly - well done to the IE paint shop crew and Neil Dinnen for pushing the project, and frankly those people making negative comments here need to lighten up.

It looks great and the fact IE did it should be applauded.

Captain Chaos

lxflyer wrote: »

and frankly those people making negative comments here need to lighten up.
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Where are these negative people are speaking of? I can't see any.

kc56

Weren't the 071's bought to haul the Mk2's? If so, wouldn't they have had the matching IE Orange livery???

Captain Chaos

kc56 wrote: »

Weren't the 071's bought to haul the Mk2's? If so, wouldn't they have had the matching IE Orange livery???

They did, at the time they did match the Mk2s perfectly in Supertrain livery.

Back then it was CIE tan, they were delivered in GM golden brown and repainted into CIE tan as GM got the shade wrong. In 1987 they got the lighter IR orange which is the same as IE orange.

All stock went from the tan orange to lighter orange from the mid 80s onwards.

LXFlyer

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Where are these negative people are speaking of? I can't see any.

Well frankly there's a couple of what are termed "rivet counter" posts above questioning the exact colour - I mean really it's going a bit far.

Does that really matter at the end of the day?

Del.Monte

lxflyer wrote: »

Well frankly there's a couple of what are termed "rivet counter" posts above questioning the exact colour - I mean really it's going a bit far.

Does that really matter at the end of the day?

Yes, it's such an amazing concept to paint a loco in an original livery. CIE have come such a long way since myself and others offered to pay for nameplates for the O71s back in 1983. We even offered to let CIE choose whatever names they liked but it couldn't be done. What will they do for their next trick?

Negative (bitter) enough for you?

whisky_galore

The bitterness is strong with this one.

Captain Chaos

Naming them would be nice idea considering they are such a small fleet. I hope 071 gets a good while out of the "new" livery. Considering there are still DART units wearing the DART25 logo while they are now 33 years old is a good sign.

Cookie_Monster

lxflyer wrote: »

whisky_galore wrote: »

I think it looks great.
It won't please rivet-counters, but nothing will please them anyway.

Exactly - well done to the IE paint shop crew and Neil Dinnen for pushing the project, and frankly those people making negative comments here need to lighten up.

It looks great and the fact IE did it should be applauded.

I think it's a good move from IE and they are finally recognising a bit of history but the colour is very clearly not the same as the original and a hundred photos will show that. That's not being negative, just pointing out the obvious... the colour is very bright orange not the tan colour they were originally painted

LXFlyer

Del.Monte wrote: »

Yes, it's such an amazing concept to paint a loco in an original livery. CIE have come such a long way since myself and others offered to pay for nameplates for the O71s back in 1983. We even offered to let CIE choose whatever names they liked but it couldn't be done. What will they do for their next trick?

Negative (bitter) enough for you?

Negative enough to put you on my ignore list.

LXFlyer

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I think it's a good move from IE and they are finally recognising a bit of history but the colour is very clearly not the same as the original and a hundred photos will show that. That's not being negative, just pointing out the obvious... the colour is very bright orange not the tan colour they were originally painted

That's fair enough - it just didn't really come across that way initially!

The_Wanderer

Getting back on track!

A selection of photos from today featuring #retrotrain 071 on the RPSI "071 40th Anniversary" railtour.
Click http://smu.gs/1OoZpEq to view.

Captain Chaos

Great shots as always, 071 looks very well and got a great day for the tour.

tabbey

Looks like the Supertrain livery to me, if it is not 100% identical, it is very marginal.

Locos and rolling stock look well in most liveries, but only when clean. If this retro livery is allowed to vegetate like IR and CIE before it, it will be scruffy and shabby before long. I suppose the dogbone profile of our 141, 181 and 071 locos are not possible to clean without human effort.

Clean and smart trains attract passengers and enhance corporate image.

Captain Chaos

Here is the difference if you want to compare. Use the red buffer bar as a reference guide to the difference in the shade of orange/tan.

n97 mini

I wouldn't worry about the shade, but I think the detail could have been better. Painting lamp bezels and windscreen wipers orange is a bit like painting the light switches and door handles in your house. Very minor complaint though.

savagethegoat

I wonder what purpose red buffer beams on a bright orange loco serve. :-)

Tefral

Just a thought, all paints now are waterbased rather than oil based in the past. That could account for the shade difference.

Infini

Saw it sitting near the shed in connolly the othrer day. Have to say that paint job is a hell of a lot nicer than the god awful paint they used to repant some of the commuter DMUs with. Similar colour scheme to the original but shinier.

Captain Chaos

n97 mini wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about the shade, but I think the detail could have been better. Painting lamp bezels and windscreen wipers orange is a bit like painting the light switches and door handles in your house. Very minor complaint though.

The headlight bezels were painted orange from the factory by GM back in '76. It was only later on when they were replaced in service that CIE did not bother painting them. It's actually very good attention to detail accuracy wise.

tabbey

savagethegoat wrote: »

I wonder what purpose red buffer beams on a bright orange loco serve. :-)

Traditionally locos had red buffer beams.
For better or for worse, buffer beams are becoming a thing of the past.

For me, real trains have red buffer beams.

MGWR

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Great to see, I don't know if it's the old photo technology of the 70s but the orange back then looks a different shade. I think they used IE orange rather than the CIE tan, never mind the GM golden brown shade.

Some pigments are no longer commercially available, so colour approximation would be necessary.

n97 mini

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The headlight bezels were painted orange from the factory by GM back in '76. It was only later on when they were replaced in service that CIE did not bother painting them. It's actually very good attention to detail accuracy wise.

I don't really want to get into an argument, but personally I would consider painting the wipers (and also the horn) as no-nos. I have never seen an 071 with anything other than white/metallic looking light bezels, so I'll have to take your word for it. Have you got any old photos you can link to that show them as orange at one point?

Captain Chaos

Here is 071 more or less fresh off the boat in Inchicore.

GM228

n97 mini wrote: »

I don't really want to get into an argument, but personally I would consider painting the wipers (and also the horn) as no-nos. I have never seen an 071 with anything other than white/metallic looking light bezels, so I'll have to take your word for it. Have you got any old photos you can link to that show them as orange at one point?

Captain Chaos beat me to it, I believe that picture is a day or two after delivery, the light bezels and horns were always orange from new, just the wipers were untouched (they were originally brushed steel I believe) but considering they have been painting the wipers for years it was either leave them battleship grey (as per the last livery), paint them black or paint them orange.

n97 mini

Side sliding windows seem to have been painted over aswell. Originally same as the wipers.

GM228

n97 mini wrote: »

Side sliding windows seem to have been painted over aswell. Originally same as the wipers.

Like the wipers the windows were also brushed chrome and the original windows were replaced during overhaul with a type that require painting.

Buffman

I have to say it looks great, nice work IR.

I'm surprised the 'rivet-counters' haven't been on to complain that IR should have removed the newer LED lights and put back the originals!:D

Murphy could do an anniversary special of 071 in this livery.



For anyone wondering what the SA means like I was! From a quick google:

Railer
23-03-2013, 12:49 AM

The SA was to do with locos that could work air braked trains. For when the Mk3s just entered service.

The S was to indicate what locos had the CAWS fitted and the A was for what locos had their air brakes commissioned.

The SA started to appear in the early to mid '80s and ended with the IR livery in '87.

Buffman

Buffman wrote: »

I have to say it looks great, nice work IR.

I'm surprised the 'rivet-counters' haven't been on to complain that IR should have removed the newer LED lights and put back the originals!:D

I was thinking that myself! 071 also sounds different to what it did back then. Should have painted 076 in that livery.

Tongue very much in cheek right here. :pac:

Captain Chaos

Sure even the grab irons on the cabs have been removed now and different handbrake wheels have been fitted to most of the fleet recently including 071