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Adam Rose Released

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Mick Murdock


    The only surprise is that it took so long.

    Perhaps not popular to bash people who lose their job but to me this guy typifies everything that i don't like about modern wrestlers. The charisma of a wet mop, horrible promos, doesn't sound or look tough, hired because he happens to be from a particular country. Belongs in the crowd rather than the ring.

    Sandow, Zeb and Cody (better off elsewhere) are the only real losses.

    Galloway isn't exactly Hulk Hogan now.

    It's a cut throat business and they should trum the fat more often in my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    Yep, it's pretty awful how it all went down but really Rose had no right to a place on the roster within 6 months of being called up. Would definitely consider Galloway to be on a different tier altogether tbh, and I don't even rate him.

    The Adam Rose character wasn't that bad, but Ray Leppan didn't have the charisma to make it work. Can you imagine what Heath Slater would've done with a party crew carrying him out every week and the like?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,578 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Adam Rose character wasn't that bad, but Ray Leppan didn't have the charisma to make it work. Can you imagine what Heath Slater would've done with a party crew carrying him out every week and the like?

    The WWE didn't get behind the guy. They gave him, what, a month with the party gimmick when he got to the main roster. Then they took his entourage away. He started doing his 'Party's over' gimmick mostly on the B-shows. That got a reaction, especially when he came out singing his name to the tune of Taps, and the weird bunny man gimmick was intriguing. That was nixed without explanation before going to Adam Rose Party-lite where he floundered in a stable that was given the persona of being a bunch of annoying clowns. He was given no runway to make an impact. It seems like with a lot of lower tier guys and they try something, it either gets two weeks or disappears without explanation.

    Some guys don't make a splash immediately. Some legends in the business like Stone Cold and The Rock were not exactly well-received upon their WWE debuts, but they worked on characters that eventually connected with the audience, hugely. I don't see why today lower-tier guys, with all the programming time WWE now has can't be given carte blanche to get themselves over without their creative efforts being sabotaged or nixed at every turn. The WWE must just not like money, or not like money that doesn't come directly out of their creative bosom.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    briany wrote: »
    The WWE didn't get behind the guy. They gave him, what, a month with the party gimmick when he got to the main roster. Then they took his entourage away. He started doing his 'Party's over' gimmick mostly on the B-shows. That got a reaction, especially when he came out singing his name to the tune of Taps, and the weird bunny man gimmick was intriguing. That was nixed without explanation before going to Adam Rose Party-lite where he floundered in a stable that was given the persona of being a bunch of annoying clowns. He was given no runway to make an impact. It seems like with a lot of lower tier guys and they try something, it either gets two weeks or disappears without explanation.

    Some guys don't make a splash immediately. Some legends in the business like Stone Cold and The Rock were not exactly well-received upon their WWE debuts, but they worked on characters that eventually connected with the audience, hugely. I don't see why today lower-tier guys, with all the programming time WWE now has can't be given carte blanche to get themselves over without their creative efforts being sabotaged or nixed at every turn. The WWE must just not like money, or not like money that doesn't come directly out of their creative bosom.
    Ach, he never showed an ounce of life as the character and had been in developmental for 5 years. Even his first few appearances were quite poorly received iirc (the second the entrance wrapped up there was nothing there at all). Like, it was a good character but you'd need a really big personality to make it work. He was bumped up because it was literally his last chance, he was about to get completely lost in the shuffle with all the new talent coming in.

    With so many guys available and clamouring for a spot, I can't really say I felt like Adam Rose deserved any more chances than he got. When a lolrandom bunny is the highlight and most memorable thing about the character, that's not a good sign.

    The Rock always had a great look, solid family background, and was super young, Steve Austin had an extremely solid track record behind him. Hugely different to a mid 30s dude with nothing of note from 15 years in the industry.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Music Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Angron


    I think the Bunny was nixed because Gabriel left, and nobody else was desperate enough to take it on.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,578 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ach, he never showed an ounce of life as the character and had been in developmental for 5 years. Even his first few appearances were quite poorly received iirc (the second the entrance wrapped up there was nothing there at all). Like, it was a good character but you'd need a really big personality to make it work. He was bumped up because it was literally his last chance, he was about to get completely lost in the shuffle with all the new talent coming in.

    With so many guys available and clamouring for a spot, I can't really say I felt like Adam Rose deserved any more chances than he got. When a lolrandom bunny is the highlight and most memorable thing about the character, that's not a good sign.

    The Rock always had a great look, solid family background, and was super young, Steve Austin had an extremely solid track record behind him. Hugely different to a mid 30s dude with nothing of note from 15 years in the industry.

    Just because a performer flounders in WWE doesn't mean they're lacking in charisma. The history of the company is littered with names who've been successful elsewhere, who've had great records, but slipped through the cracks of WWE's creative machine, because they've been given the wrong gimmick or whatever. It's also evident that just because a guy is put on top, it doesn't mean they have a proven record or charisma, ahem.

    It's true that Rose did not have the chops to adequately pull off party gimmick, at least not in the few weeks of runway provided, but his character did have a chance to evolve into something more fitting with the party's over stuff. I just don't like when WWE has so much air time to fill and they can't seem to give some of these B-performers time to try stuff and see what works. If something starts working, go with it, don't inexplicably stifle stuff like with Bad News Barrett and Zack Ryder. Heath Slater is a guy who topped a fan poll a while ago and got a sit down interview with Michael Cole out of it. He's got charisma in spades and yet the WWE see fit to have him lead a buffoonish stable who get only a few minutes of air time in a week where they usually receive a summary beating (and a cake to the face as was the case this week).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    briany wrote: »
    Just because a performer flounders in WWE doesn't mean they're lacking in charisma. The history of the company is littered with names who've been successful elsewhere, who've had great records, but slipped through the cracks of WWE's creative machine, because they've been given the wrong gimmick or whatever. It's also evident that just because a guy is put on top, it doesn't mean they have a proven record or charisma, ahem.

    It's true that Rose did not have the chops to adequately pull off party gimmick, at least not in the few weeks of runway provided, but his character did have a chance to evolve into something more fitting with the party's over stuff. I just don't like when WWE has so much air time to fill and they can't seem to give some of these B-performers time to try stuff and see what works. If something starts working, go with it, don't inexplicably stifle stuff like with Bad News Barrett and Zack Ryder. Heath Slater is a guy who topped a fan poll a while ago and got a sit down interview with Michael Cole out of it. He's got charisma in spades and yet the WWE see fit to have him lead a buffoonish stable who get only a few minutes of air time in a week where they usually receive a summary beating (and a cake to the face as was the case this week).

    I get your point, but honestly the issue is that three hours is just way too much. There's a limit to how much you can expect an audience to process per week and adding an extra hour isn't going to make them able to take on much more. There's a pretty good reason why there are endless recaps throughout raw.
    Three hours with stuff actually going on would be overwhelming in a Russo type way.

    They should've gave Sandow more as the Mizdow thing was ending, it's definitely worth giving guys a chance but I still think Rose hadn't shown enough to warrant being kept on beyond this most recent cull.
    Of the people WWE underused that became really good elsewhere, there's nearly always some evidence of their talent or some really obvious reason why WWE would not want them to succeed. I'm struggling to think of any who showed as little as Rose that produced anything elsewhere... Might be worth a thread!


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,578 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I get your point, but honestly the issue is that three hours is just way too much. There's a limit to how much you can expect an audience to process per week and adding an extra hour isn't going to make them able to take on much more. There's a pretty good reason why there are endless recaps throughout raw.
    Three hours with stuff actually going on would be overwhelming in a Russo type way.

    Even though the show is longer today, I think there's actually less going on. The amount of filler on Raw and Smackdown is huge. The adbreaks alone take up 45 minutes. Matches that contribute to no particular story take up even more time. Then there's the recaps and the shilling and the promos for other WWE programmes. RAW is 3 hours in real time but in digest form, in terms of what you actually need to take in, it would be doing really well on a given week to make 30 minutes because WWE are trying to draw out some of these storylines week to week and put the brakes on them so they can get to the PPV. They wouldn't have to do this so much, though, if they were able to get more stars involved. Russo might be contemptible in many ways, but I respect that he had a philosophy of having a story arc for every guy on the show with progression from week to week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    I do not think anyone is shocked to hear the guy got released. Once he got arrested his job in wwe was gone.

    But of course, unless you are a bonafide main eventer like Steve Austin who beat up his wife Debra. That would be different. WWE would sweep that under the rug.... like they did!

    Yeah, I have little sympathy for him losing the gig.

    That said, Austin has evaded any questions about what he did to Debra - he was asked on Wade Keller's phone-in show about a year and a half ago. So it's not just WWE who sweep it away but Austin and Keller.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    Ageyev wrote: »
    Yeah, I have little sympathy for him losing the gig.

    That said, Austin has evaded any questions about what he did to Debra - he was asked on Wade Keller's phone-in show about a year and a half ago. So it's not just WWE who sweep it away but Austin and Keller.
    Yeah, I didn't mind Austin not bringing it up much, but the way he shied away from it the ONE TIME I've heard it brought up was pretty ****ing bad.
    He himself talks about that patch of his life as being really messed up and full of regret. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine he'd feel remorse over it.

    ...but his attitude towards it stinks a fair bit


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Yeah, I didn't mind Austin not bringing it up much, but the way he shied away from it the ONE TIME I've heard it brought up was pretty ****ing bad.
    He himself talks about that patch of his life as being really messed up and full of regret. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine he'd feel remorse over it.

    ...but his attitude towards it stinks a fair bit

    I get the feeling austin is just embrassed about that whole period of his life. he really seemed to be in a mess personally. But he has to own up to the facts of what he did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭Chain Smoker


    sky88 wrote: »
    I get the feeling austin is just embrassed about that whole period of his life. he really seemed to be in a mess personally. But he has to own up to the facts of what he did.
    Exactly, it's more than a bit ridiculous that he's so openly remorseful about walking out of WWE (where his reasons were pretty ****ing strong imo; there definitely was a bit of an agenda on HHH's part at the very least, to pull him down) and evade ever acknowledging the Debra stuff.

    That being said, when no one ever brings it up, what does he stand to gain other than bringing a load of hassle onto himself by people remembering it? Obviously it's the right thing to do but all he's gonna get from that is a mainstream media brouhaha; a hell of a lot of people (seemingly all major wrestling journalists, for example) are being complicit in it all too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭bobby_says_hi


    http://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/adam-rose-cuts-hair-photo/

    cut all his hair off after asking for his release. Seems like he wants to be over and done with that part of his career now.


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