Toyota avensis 05 2.2 diesel injectors gone?

Dancing Johnny

My car is getting hard to start in the mornings so I brought it in to the mechanic and he said it looks like the injectors are gone and it would cost €750 to replace, can this be right?? Seems awful expensive

Jimmy Garlic

That actually sounds very reasonable if he intends to change all four. Injectors are crazy expensive, even second hand. You wouldn't get a brand new injector for your car for less than 250 quid.

Dancing Johnny

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

That actually sounds very reasonable if he intends to change all four. Injectors are crazy expensive, even second hand. You wouldn't get a brand new injector for your car for less than 250 quid.

Awe no, would all 4 need changing if it starts after a few attempts in the morning and is fine for the day?

Jimmy Garlic

Dancing Johnny wrote: »

Awe no, would all 4 need changing if it starts after a few attempts in the morning and is fine for the day?

How many did your mechanic say he would change for the 750? If your car isn't too bad it would be worth running a fuel system/injector cleaner like Wynns for a couple of full tanks to see if you notice an improvement.

Dancing Johnny

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

How many did your mechanic say he would change for the 750? If your car isn't too bad it would be worth running a fuel system/injector cleaner like Wynns for a couple of full tanks to see if you notice an improvement.

Would bad diesel be a cause? He said one maybe two and they are putting pressure on the others

Jimmy Garlic

Dancing Johnny wrote: »

Would bad diesel be a cause? He said one maybe two and they are putting pressure on the others

He is only quoting for one injector so. Dirty diesel certainly wouldn't help. There are a few places around that recondition injectors, that might work out cheaper. I'd try the injector cleaner first though with a few good runs on a motorway to see if that makes a difference.

Dancing Johnny

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

He is only quoting for one injector so. Dirty diesel certainly wouldn't help. There are a few places around that recondition injectors, that might work out cheaper. I'd try the injector cleaner first though with a few good runs on a motorway to see if that makes a difference.

Thanks il try that

The Sidewards Man

If it runs fine after that then its not the injectors, I think you have a google mechanic there getting some code on his Chinese diagnostics and google telling him its the injectors.

shietpilot

I would look at glow plugs first to be honest... It might be worthwhile to replace them anyway if you never did them before. They're not that expensive and will make a heap of a difference. The other cause could be a bad battery barely being able to crank the engine.

Does it smoke or idle roughly when it starts?

Dancing Johnny

shietpilot wrote: »

I would look at glow plugs first to be honest... It might be worthwhile to replace them anyway if you never did them before. They're not that expensive and will make a heap of a difference. The other cause could be a bad battery barely being able to crank the engine.

Does it smoke or idle roughly when it starts?

In reply to the last two replies, I had him change the glow plugs and he is saying now that its the injectors???

To confirm, it takes a few attempts in the morning to start but after that it pretty much runs fine for the day, would this mean its not the injectors?

Dancing Johnny

shietpilot wrote: »

I would look at glow plugs first to be honest... It might be worthwhile to replace them anyway if you never did them before. They're not that expensive and will make a heap of a difference. The other cause could be a bad battery barely being able to crank the engine.

Does it smoke or idle roughly when it starts?

Yes, when I start it a load of blue smoke comes out of the exhaust

Dancing Johnny

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

If it runs fine after that then its not the injectors, I think you have a google mechanic there getting some code on his Chinese diagnostics and google telling him its the injectors.

it gets hard to start in the morning but after that it pretty much runs fine for the day

The Sidewards Man

Dancing Johnny wrote: »

it gets hard to start in the morning but after that it pretty much runs fine for the day

I would change your mechanic, he is a clown.

Dancing Johnny

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

I would change your mechanic, he is a clown.

i'm wondering that myself, does it sound like it couldnt be the injectors?

biko

Your mechanic have seen and heard the car, us here are just guessing.

As said before - you can throw some injector cleaner in the tank and see if that helps.
It could also be the battery, alternator, etc etc but the blue smoke usually means burning oil.

What's the oil level like?

The Sidewards Man

Dancing Johnny wrote: »

i'm wondering that myself, does it sound like it couldnt be the injectors?

I would put an educated guess it isn't them, it could be something as simple as the fuel supply drawing air over night and that be a reason for slow starting. Is it only on start up you have blue smoke?

fancy pigeon

I'd be leaning towards failing injectors myself.

Have you replaced the 2 switches at the back of the hp pump? They cause similar issues on starting from cold

Dancing Johnny

biko wrote: »

Your mechanic have seen and heard the car, us here are just guessing.

As said before - you can throw some injector cleaner in the tank and see if that helps.
It could also be the battery, alternator, etc etc but the blue smoke usually means burning oil.

What's the oil level like?

i think your spot on biko, the oil level is low

Dancing Johnny

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

I would put an educated guess it isn't them, it could be something as simple as the fuel supply drawing air over night and that be a reason for slow starting. Is it only on start up you have blue smoke?

yes only on start up

biko

So then the issue becomes "why is there oil being burned"
I'd say to top up oil and keep an eye on it over the next while.
Still throw in the injector cleaner.

When you can, let car sit overnight and next morning remove sparkplugs one by one. Check for oil on the plug - is it on all or just one or two?

dr.fuzzenstein

biko wrote: »

So then the issue becomes "why is there oil being burned"
I'd say to top up oil and keep an eye on it over the next while.
Still throw in the injector cleaner.

When you can, let car sit overnight and next morning remove sparkplugs one by one. Check for oil on the plug - is it on all or just one or two?

That could be a tad tricky...

biko

Right, it's a daysul
Well, the principle is the same.

You need a way to see inside the cylinders and check for oil.

Dancing Johnny

biko wrote: »

So then the issue becomes "why is there oil being burned"
I'd say to top up oil and keep an eye on it over the next while.
Still throw in the injector cleaner.

When you can, let car sit overnight and next morning remove sparkplugs one by one. Check for oil on the plug - is it on all or just one or two?

seems to be one or two

biko

Did you already check?
So "one or two" out of four glowplugs had oil on them?

Pass this info on to the mechanic. He/she needs to test the cylinders and find out where the oil comes from.

But first, wipe the oil from the plugs and check again in a day or two.
Remember to top up oil

Leonard Hofstadter

Head gasket failure is a noted fault with those engines (and would be consistent with oil burning/blue smoke). I'd be looking at that as well - though that wouldn't cause the poor starting issue.

Dancing Johnny

he thinks it could be the rings?

irish bloke

captainspeed wrote: »

Head gasket failure is a noted fault with those engines (and would be consistent with oil burning/blue smoke). I'd be looking at that as well - though that wouldn't cause the poor starting issue.

low compression which could result in above symptoms, could cause poor starting issues.

I would get a compression test completed

cournioni

Dancing Johnny wrote: »

My car is getting hard to start in the mornings so I brought it in to the mechanic and he said it looks like the injectors are gone and it would cost €750 to replace, can this be right?? Seems awful expensive

If it's the same injector as a Lexus IS220d as can be the case with Avensis and RAV4 2.2's, then one injector can cost up to €500+VAT to replace as they cannot be repaired and are mad expensive to buy new. Depends on labour after that.

The Sidewards Man

€500 plus vat cournioni did they supply the ky jelly when they introduced that to you? Lol injectors that cannot be repaired.

cournioni

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

€500 plus vat cournioni did they supply the ky jelly when they introduced that to you? Lol injectors that cannot be repaired.

Just telling you the facts on this injector (and most Denso Piezo injectors in fact). Repaired/Reconditioned units aren't available for it, they're fairly thin on the ground scrap yard wise too.

http://m.ebay.ie/itm/NEW-Common-Rail-Diesel-Injector-295900-0110-for-TOYOTA-2-2-D4D-D-CAT-23670-29105-/191763803663

Sick price I agree.

PADRAIC.M

AD engine injectors retail for less than 240 at the moment so don't mind above posts

cournioni

PADRAIC.M wrote: »

AD engine injectors retail for less than 240 at the moment so don't mind above posts

Depends on what AD engine you're talking about. There's loads of different types of injectors, piezo and non piezo fitted to AD engines.

If it is the same engine as a Lexus IS220d i.e. 2ADFHV it is probably going to be €400-500 per injector. If it's a 2ADFTV engine then it's a different story altogether and you're probably talking in the region of €200-240 brand new but they can be reconditioned for €150-170.

corglass

cournioni wrote: »

Dancing Johnny wrote: »

My car is getting hard to start in the mornings so I brought it in to the mechanic and he said it looks like the injectors are gone and it would cost 750 to replace, can this be right?? Seems awful expensive

If it's the same injector as a Lexus IS220d as can be the case with Avensis and RAV4 2.2's, then one injector can cost up to 500+VAT to replace as they cannot be repaired and are mad expensive to buy new. Depends on labour after that.

They will run fine without recoding. (Been there, done that)

The recoding will give you the last micro percentage efficency however. Not necessary in my opinion given the cost of getting this done versus the return.

shietpilot

Injector coding on that Avensis can be done with a DS150 scan tool which can be bought for €40 from Chinese sites

https://www.delphiautoparts.com/en/toolbox/injector-programming-toyota-d-4d-engines/

Used injectors:
http://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xavensis+2.2+d4d+injecto.TRS0&_nkw=avensis+2.2+d4d+injector&_sacat=0