Ukrainians mark the 73rd anniversary of the formation of their SS division.

Jimmy Garlic

With a torch light procession no less. I think that we all owe the Dutch a BIG thank you for saying no to ushering Ukraine into the EU. This kind of stuff is way too popular there -

Jimmy Garlic

Commemorations held in several cities.

My name is URL

Meanwhile in Kerry

Jimmy Garlic

My name is URL wrote: »

Meanwhile in Kerry

You can say a lot about the Healy Raes but I don't think celebration of Nazism and genocidal death squads is their thing.

Mesrine65

These are members of the Azov Regiment, initially a volunteer militia, formed during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine & based in Mariupol in the Azov Sea coastal region.

All members of the unit are under contract & serve as part of the National Guard of Ukraine which they were incorporated into in November 2014.

The regiment saw its first combat experience recapturing Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists forces in June 2014, being incorporated into the National Guard was their reward for loyalty.

Jimmy Garlic

Mesrine65 wrote: »

These are members of the Azov Regiment, initially a volunteer militia, formed during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine & based in Mariupol in the Azov Sea coastal region.

All members of the unit are under contract & serve as part of the National Guard of Ukraine which they were incorporated into in November 2014.

It saw its first combat experience recapturing Mariupol from pro-Russian separatists forces in June 2014.

Is it any wonder areas with a Russian majority aren't too keen on staying part of Ukraine.

My name is URL

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Is it any wonder areas with a Russian majority aren't too keen on staying part of Ukraine.

Aye, those Russian separatists just can't abide how right-wing Ukraine is :pac:

Jimmy Garlic

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

With a torch light procession no less. I think that we all owe the Dutch a BIG thank you for saying no to ushering Ukraine into the EU. This kind of stuff is way too popular there -

'My enemy's enemy is my friend'. Nothing new here. Carry on.

But before you do, this is some of the gentle humanitarianism which the Ukrainians had the pleasure of enduring under Russian occupation - the "good guys" - between 1932 and 1933:

Holodomor 1 and

Holodomor 2 and

Holodomor 3

Chips Lovell

Plenty of extreme right wing groups within the EU as well. It's not like they'd be a novel addition.

Mesrine65

Economic instability, populist politicians & a refugee wave is the catalyst for the wide-ranging spread of the far right in Europe.

A perusal of the list of active nationalist parties in Europe is an eye-opener to say the least...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_nationalist_parties_in_Europe

silverharp

a strange people , imagine setting up an Auxiliaries or Black and Tans division here

recylingbin

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

You can say a lot about the Healy Raes but I don't think celebration of Nazism and genocidal death squads is their thing.

Yerra, if oood gimme d'oul number wan, ai might find a torch

The_Valeyard

silverharp wrote: »

a strange people , imagine setting up an Auxiliaries or Black and Tans division here

It's not that strange when you have Russia in the back garden stealing the shed, sandbox and have their eyes on the patio & house.

Gatling

If it's on RT it must be true been it comes from the Kremlin.


Wakka, Wakka Wakka

karma_

Gatling wrote: »

If it's on RT it must be true been it comes from the Kremlin.


Wakka, Wakka Wakka

Yeah, if only there was video evidence of a parade with people carrying banners with obvious, WW2 era photographs printed on them on the date that particular division was formed.

Shurimgreat

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

You can say a lot about the Healy Raes but I don't think celebration of Nazism and genocidal death squads is their thing.

Stalin, Mao and the North Korean regimes, all beloved of the Irish Far Left, have also all given Nazism a fair run for it when it comes to mass murder. And these are the types of regimes the Irish Far Left would have no problem with here.

In many respects the Far Left and the Far Right have a lot in common, particularly their admiration for mass murdering dictatorships, both of the past and the present.

Gatling

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Is it any wonder areas with a Russian majority aren't too keen on staying part of Ukraine.

Nonsense really

ohnonotgmail

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Stalin, Mao and the North Korean regimes, all beloved of the Irish Far Left, have also all given Nazism a fair run for it when it comes to mass murder. And these are the types of regimes the Irish Far Left would have no problem with here.

In many respects the Far Left and the Far Right have a lot in common, particularly their admiration for mass murdering dictatorships, both of the past and the present.

going purely on the mass murder metric the far left put the far right into the ha'penny place.

silverharp

The_Valeyard wrote: »

It's not that strange when you have Russia in the back garden stealing the shed, sandbox and have their eyes on the patio & house.

true but the germans would have put them through the grinder in short order too

biko

karma_ wrote: »

Yeah, if only there was video evidence of a parade with people carrying banners with obvious, WW2 era photographs printed on them on the date that particular division was formed.

Never mind him, it's just a diversion. Attach the source credibility - RT, Daily Mail, Independent, Guardian, etc etc
It saves on actually having to think up arguments for yourself.

On topic, that's so weird. Why would someone want old tyrants back? It would be like Irish people wanting the Brits back again.

Crann na Beatha

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esforum

silverharp wrote: »

a strange people , imagine setting up an Auxiliaries or Black and Tans division here

the Russians werent exactly nice to Ukrainian people ya know and it wasnt so much a case of "lets go kill some Jews" as a case of people believing it was the better choice for their people

Enemy of my enemy and all that.

I am not suggesting I agree with the decision at the time nor those celebrating it now, but its a mistake to think all SS members were hardened Nazis or even volunteers.

gandalf

Jaysus what shocker Nazis in the Ukraine! What next Nazis in Russia maybe.

suicide_circus

My name is URL wrote: »

Aye, those Russian separatists just can't abide how right-wing Ukraine is :pac:

They can't abide it so much they had to shoot a passing passenger airliner out of the sky killing all on board.

Jimmy Garlic

JT26 wrote: »

Western Ukrainians saw them as liberators against Russians,whether you agree or disagree they have had atrocities committed against them due to Soviet policies and before that Russian imperialism.

Stalins genocidal collectivisation policy and his purges affected Russians too you know. Especially southern Russians. Ukrainians weren't specifically singled out.

Jimmy Garlic

suicide_circus wrote: »

They can't abide it so much they had to shoot a passing passenger airliner out of the sky killing all on board.

Here you are stating this as if it is a fact yet it has never been proven. Ukraine still to this day refuses to release the air traffic control tapes. Why would they do that?

BoJack Horseman

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

it has never been proven

That's the line alright

Whatever happened to Egginacup?

Jimmy Garlic

esforum wrote: »

the Russians werent exactly nice to Ukrainian people ya know and it wasnt so much a case of "lets go kill some Jews" as a case of people believing it was the better choice for their people

Some of the worst atrocities against Jews were committed in Ukraine by Ukrainian and Tatar nazis.

Sand

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Stalins genocidal collectivisation policy and his purges affected Russians too you know. Especially southern Russians. Ukrainians weren't specifically singled out.

Any identifiable ethnic group that might have nationalist or separatist aspirations was singled out. In 1933 the Communists celebrated the crushing of the Ukrainian people by exterminating their cultural and political elites and starving to death millions of their people...all by accident? Its no wonder the Ukrainians viewed the Germans as liberators from Moscow's gentle rule.

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

Nonsense really

Oh really? I suppose that's why Ukraines large nazi element (the strong arm behind the Maidan coup) sing songs about murdering large numbers of ''Muscovites''. Nothing at all to worry about. They should have just let them walk in.

Crann na Beatha

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