What breed of ram

Green farmer

Lano Lynn wrote: »

it isnt the more expensive purebreds that perform best all the time!

also i tend to avoid the prize winners !

Funny enough , the most trouble free ram I have here is a 3/4 Charley, home bred, cost me nothing. He was the best ram lamb born that year so I kept him. 4 years later still banging out butchers lambs. Just need mild weather when the lambs hit the ground.

stantheman1979

We had a vendeen ram a few yrs back who produced good lambs so we bought 2 Vendeen ewe lambs a 2 yrs back from someone mentioned in this post!! 1st yr one went in lamb and had a little kitten of a lamb and hadnt enough milk for a cup of tea. We gave them a 2nd chance being ewe lambs this yr both had a tiny lamb each and NO milk despite getting extra soya in her feed. so they are going to the factory in a few week as there is no way i could look myself in the mirror if i sold them as breeding ewes. No way will a vendeen ewe blacken my door again!!!

Sheep breeder

Green farmer wrote: »

Wasn't the vendeen society rangler. Ya, was thinking about it, but heard afterwards the breeder wasn't the nicest person in the world to deal with when any issues arose. Also the society judges awarded his pen of 4 Rams first place, after pulling the Rams out and judging them., so wouldn't have much faith in the strength of that particular society. At best Maybe breeder accepting ram back and me having to drive 100 miles each way to breeder to pick another ram or something like that, and if that was the best of what he deemed to bring to sale, what was the rest of his stock like ?
So , I was sore about it for a while afterwards, but accepted my loss and moved on.

what breed of sheep, seen you have let the vendeen off the hook and take us out of the suspense.

Sheep breeder

orm0nd wrote: »

I was at a Society show sale last year, & the judge was checking the rams pre judging, I saw him stall at 1 particular ram, checked his mouth a couple of times & checked the catalogue (I presume to see who owned) & then nodded the all clear.

I discreetly checked him after wards & he was completely wrong,

No society named above.

@Green, the man I bought the HD's from is retired, the nearest breeder now would be Alymer Power, askeaton

strange that a judge would refer to a catalogie when judging, what breed was this sheep.

rangler1

stantheman1979 wrote: »

We had a vendeen ram a few yrs back who produced good lambs so we bought 2 Vendeen ewe lambs a 2 yrs back from someone mentioned in this post!! 1st yr one went in lamb and had a little kitten of a lamb and hadnt enough milk for a cup of tea. We gave them a 2nd chance being ewe lambs this yr both had a tiny lamb each and NO milk despite getting extra soya in her feed. so they are going to the factory in a few week as there is no way i could look myself in the mirror if i sold them as breeding ewes. No way will a vendeen ewe blacken my door again!!!

The first year we bred pedigree Vendeen we ended up with one lamb out of five ewes due to toxo
I always told customers not to use vendeens for breeding ewe lambs, vendeens are a terminal sire, not matenal, we use to have to feed our pedigree ewes very well to get them to milk, but it was the only time in the year that they would be well fed, they went over fat very easy
Farming pedigree sheep is in a different league to farming commercial sheep.

rangler1

Sheep breeder wrote: »

what breed of sheep, seen you have let the vendeen off the hook and take us out of the suspense.

Not many breed sales would be judging a pen of four, would suggest black at both ends to me, :rolleyes:

Green farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

Not many breed sales would be judging a pen of four, would suggest black at both ends to me, :rolleyes:

Different society rangler,. Not sure I can name and shame the breeder and society here. At this stage I've met a number of Ye lads in real life. Anyone Interested in knowing, I'll tell ye straight face to face.

Sheep breeder

Green farmer wrote: »

Different society rangler,. Not sure I can name and shame the breeder and society here. At this stage I've met a number of Ye lads in real life. Anyone Interested in knowing, I'll tell ye straight face to face.

a bit of a cop out there, dont want to name the breeder ok, why not the breed, rangler was quick to name the charollais in tullamore. :cool:

rangler1

Sheep breeder wrote: »

a bit of a cop out there, dont want to name the breeder ok, why not the breed, rangler was quick to name the charollais in tullamore. :cool:

Didn't mean to hang anyone, inspections weren't done by the societies that day, inspectors were guys that worked parttime for sheep ireland. ram was badly down on one of the back legs,

orm0nd

rangler1 wrote: »

Didn't mean to hang anyone, inspections weren't done by the societies that day, inspectors were guys that worked parttime for sheep ireland. ram was badly down on one of the back legs,

there was a foot of straw in the pens that day, very hard to see feet

Sheep breeder

rangler1 wrote: »

Didn't mean to hang anyone, inspections weren't done by the societies that day, inspectors were guys that worked parttime for sheep ireland. ram was badly down on one of the back legs,

well then it was a sheep ireland sale and not under society rules which is total different thing and shows how much sheep ireland doing to improve sheep.

rangler1

Sheep breeder wrote: »

well then it was a sheep ireland sale and not under society rules which is total different thing and shows how much sheep ireland doing to improve sheep.

That was my point, he wasn't thrown out in the inspection, i told my neighbour not to take him.
A lot of rams go down in the back pastels nowadays, something you really have to watch for at society sales because i think its due to overfeeding
I never saw it in the ewe lambs here and they'd be getting a lot less feeding

Green farmer

Sheep breeder wrote: »

a bit of a cop out there, dont want to name the breeder ok, why not the breed, rangler was quick to name the charollais in tullamore. :cool:

Your asking me to name the society, but look at how fast you were out of the traps to attack rangler over a mere observation, which appears to sum up what happens when you criticise any society. To put your mind at ease it wasn't the Charley's either as I'm guessing you could be from there. But don't expect me to keep ruling out societies until we have a winner. As I've said a number of times here, it happened, It took me a long time to move on . Now I have . There are decent breeders out there, but not every breeder appears to be decent and they can work in the opposite direction to everybody else and in at least one society I witnessed them having more influence then they should be have allowed.

ganmo

rangler1 wrote: »

Didn't think it was a vendeen although inspections miss things too, I advised a neighbour to throw up a charolais ram at the sheep ireland sale in tullamore in 2014. The inspections at that are very particular.
Breeder is looking at the rams everyday so they're chancing their arm bringing an incorrect one

I remember seeing the charolais rams being judged at the tullamore show one year and there was one who's gob was awful! don't know why anyone would bring t out as an example of the breed is nut.

We had trouble this year with turned in eyelids so I'll be changing the lads

Sheep breeder

Green farmer wrote: »

Your asking me to name the society, but look at how fast you were out of the traps to attack rangler over a mere observation, which appears to sum up what happens when you criticise any society. To put your mind at ease it wasn't the Charley's either as I'm guessing you could be from there. But don't expect me to keep ruling out societies until we have a winner. As I've said a number of times here, it happened, It took me a long time to move on . Now I have . There are decent breeders out there, but not every breeder appears to be decent and they can work in the opposite direction to everybody else and in at least one society I witnessed them having more influence then they should be have allowed.

my breeds would be white headed and hate seeing ideal talk, all breed societies have their bad eggs who try to rule the roost and do no good for a breed.
i have said for along number of years that sheep showing is more about post codes than sheep breed.

Green farmer

I suppose that's the point. The upshot of one breeders actions, sent me on my into the arms of one of the breeds competitors, and unlikely that I'll ever buy from that society sale again. If future only buy a ram out of a field after marking my mind up on its owner.