The normalisation of trespass?

whisky_galore

Following the recent mass trespass incidents across the pond with Flying Scotman's relaunch I see this...I know it's closed due to flooding but it's still trespass by public representatives who should know better.

http://www.clarecourier.ie/article.asp?id=5148

Jem72

Which is more outrageous - Local representative standing on a railway line that's been closed for six months or the fact that an operational railway line closes for six months after being closed for months every winter for the last few years?

The guy does raise a good point - Irish Rail / the government need to either close this down or invest in a permanent solution. It is a complete waste of money to leave it as it is.

whisky_galore

He can make his point just as well without the photo shoot.

sporty56

Well done to newspaper and councillor on highlighting the ongoing reality of no service and no solution coming down the tracks. Old saying of picture worth a thousand words comes to mind.

Losty Dublin

Jem72 wrote: »

Which is more outrageous - Local representative standing on a railway line that's been closed for six months or the fact that an operational railway line closes for six months after being closed for months every winter for the last few years?

The guy does raise a good point - Irish Rail / the government need to either close this down or invest in a permanent solution. It is a complete waste of money to leave it as it is.

The issue that's causing the constant flooding of recent years isn't on railway property. CIE say it's OPW's problem to sort out as it's a river and lake that flood so they won't address it. OPW say it's CIE's problem to sort out as it affects the line most of all so they won't address it. Until one or other body address it then it will never get sorted out.

Del.Monte

Will they sort it out before the WRC is converted into a Greenway?

Banjoxed

Del.Monte wrote: »

Will they sort it out before the WRC is converted into a Greenway?

There's a vewy speshal place for that sort of thing!

Cookie_Monster

Who is to say he doesn't have permission to be there?

Losty Dublin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Who is to say he doesn't have permission to be there?

If he had permission then he'd be wearing appropriate safety clothing to be on or near the track

Cookie_Monster

Losty Dublin wrote: »

If he had permission then he'd be wearing appropriate safety clothing to be on or near the track

what, a canoe in this case

whisky_galore

You wouldn't traipse through someone's private yard or a factory premises without having any business to conduct and permission to go there, what makes the railway any different?

end of the road

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

what, a canoe in this case

a high vis jacket and other safety equipment. it's his duty to wear such if he is there on the permission of irish rail, regardless of whether the railway is open or closed, running or not running.

savagethegoat

yes , it is sending out the wrong message.

Someone watching this may feel it's OK to be on a railway line when there are no trains running, the problem being, they have no way of knowing if indeed there are no trains running.

Lack of a hi viz etc makes me believe that this guy was not there with IEs knowledge. It's entirely possible that an engineers inspection train may have approached at any time even though the line is flooded.

sporty56

Pity CIE sold off Naomh Eanna

Losty Dublin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

what, a canoe in this case

And a life jacket

whisky_galore

Drivers are getting increasingly jumpy when they see non-hi vis clad people getting too near the rail line, with the number of personal tragedies these days.

Some photographers think they're entitled to come out onto the running lines in instances. Steam railtours tend to attract this activity.

savagethegoat

if you are anywhere near the line, drivers tend to touch the horn and I imagine it's a bit of a relief to them when you acknowledge. I always do

monument

whisky_galore wrote: »

He can make his point just as well without the photo shoot.

I don't think he can -- A picture is worth a thousand words.

whisky_galore wrote: »

You wouldn't traipse through someone's private yard or a factory premises without having any business to conduct and permission to go there, what makes the railway any different?

Public ownership and making a political point.

The law isn't black and white. For example, people accused of attacking aircraft in Shannon we not convicted because they successively argued that they were coming to the defence of others.

Pro Hoc Vice

Losty Dublin wrote: »

If he had permission then he'd be wearing appropriate safety clothing to be on or near the track

Why the track is closed!

end of the road

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Why the track is closed!

that doesn't matter.

Pro Hoc Vice

end of the road wrote: »

that doesn't matter.

There is still no evidence he is trespassing. From the look behind and the dept of that water don't think even if a train was in that line it could approach that spot at any kind of speed.

Losty Dublin

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

There is still no evidence he is trespassing. From the look behind and the dept of that water don't think even if a train was in that line it could approach that spot at any kind of speed.

Unless he has permission to be on the track then he's trespassing on a railway. The fact that he isn't wearing safety wear in shot tells us that he isn't almost certainly isn't there under the watch of Irish Rail.

Of course, the onus is on Irish Rail to follow this up legally if it's an issue with them

Pro Hoc Vice

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Unless he has permission to be on the track then he's trespassing on a railway. The fact that he isn't wearing safety wear in shot tells us that he isn't almost certainly isn't there under the watch of Irish Rail.

Of course, the onus is on Irish Rail to follow this up legally if it's an issue with them

Exactly the only people who will know if he is trespassing is him the photographer and IR.

Losty Dublin

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Exactly the only people who will know if he is trespassing is him the photographer and IR.

If he had permission then he will have had safety wear on. Even Irish Rail staff are disciplined for not wearing same when trackside.

Itssoeasy

Losty Dublin wrote: »

If he had permission then he will have had safety wear on. Even Irish Rail staff are disciplined for not wearing same when trackside.

Even on a flooded railway though losty ? I know they shouldn't do it but I would have assumed a flooded line was different.

Carawaystick

What if he swam and happened to cross the railway?

If IÉ said there's bus substitutions due to the railway being blocked by flooding, then it's hard to see how there's any safety issue.

If a train could pass, then IÉ have misled potential customers, ad would be guilty of a criminal offence.

savagethegoat

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Why the track is closed!

he has no way of knowing if it is closed or a maintenance or inspection train might be due unless he is there with official IE sanction, which he isn't as he has no safety gear on.

savagethegoat

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

There is still no evidence he is trespassing. From the look behind and the dept of that water don't think even if a train was in that line it could approach that spot at any kind of speed.

what you think doesn't enter into it.

Pro Hoc Vice

savagethegoat wrote: »

what you think doesn't enter into it.

If it is a question of trespas either civil or criminal what we all think is very much the issue, it is a forum after all. Or is only what you think of any value.

Cookie_Monster

savagethegoat wrote: »

he has no way of knowing if it is closed or a maintenance or inspection train might be due unless he is there with official IE sanction, which he isn't as he has no safety gear on.

lets be real for a second here, there is not going to be a train travelling through the water here at speed.
there is the tiniest possibility of a maint / inspection train approaching at very low speed, hardly an actual danger. I don't agree with him trespassing but the actual risk is zero.

BoatMad

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