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UK Issues warning to LGBT Travellers to the US

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    #32
    stoplooklisten
    Registered Users Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭stoplooklisten


    Do they need freeing?


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    #33
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    It's a handy way of condemning the legislation without having to say 'Hey America, Fcuk you and your inbred backwards hillbillies' to their biggest ally.
    I've had the pleasure of knowing some of these 'inbred backwards hillbillies' from Appalachia/Ozarks/Uwharries/Caraways & am privileged & honoured to class them as friends.

    Popular culture has perpetuated the hillbilly stereotype, they're not all cast members of Deliverance/Southern Comfort & their ilk.

    They are portrayed as genetically deficient, inbred, murderous & backwards but with enough wisdom to outwit the most sophisticated of city folk.

    Hillbilly has now become part of the Appalachian identity & some Appalachians feel they are constantly defending themselves against this image.

    In this day of hypersensitivity to diversity & political correctness, Appalachians have been a group that it is still socially acceptable to demean & joke about.

    This hillbilly stereotype has had a traumatizing effect on some in the Appalachian region creating feelings of shame, self-hatred & detachment.

    They are a people proud of their Scotch-Irish roots, they are family orientated, extremely loyal & some of the best friends a person could ask for IMHO & should you ever get to meet one, they may surprise you with their wit, intelligence & hospitality (once they get to know you)


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    #34
    FA Hayek
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    Have to love the pseudo racism lite shown here against Americans.


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    #35
    kneemos
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    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Have to love the pseudo racism lite shown here against Americans.


    You confuse criticism with racism.


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    #36
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Have to love the pseudo racism lite shown here against Americans.


    As politely as possible but... what the ever loving fcuk is "pseudo racism lite"?

    And how does it apply in the context of Americans, when "American" is not a race?


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    #37
    jimgoose
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    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    I've had the pleasure of knowing some of these 'inbred backwards hillbillies' from Appalachia/Ozarks/Uwharries/Caraways & am privileged & honoured to class them as friends...

    You kin go an' git with that thar Yankee book-larnin'. <CLICK> :mad:


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    #38
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,176 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    As politely as possible but... what the ever loving fcuk is "pseudo racism lite"?

    And how does it apply in the context of Americans, when "American" is not a race?

    It's do do with the Cajuns. You can be racist against him Cunass, but the chances are he'll kick the shit out of you, so you need to be all "pseudo" and "light" about it so he won't cop it, and just buy you a beer instead. C'est bon! Allez!! :cool:


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    #39
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Just go around spouting 10% (or whatever) to anyone who gives you hassle. Should be grand.


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    #40
    The Backwards Man
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    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    I've had the pleasure of knowing some of these 'inbred backwards hillbillies' from Appalachia/Ozarks/Uwharries/Caraways & am privileged & honoured to class them as friends.

    Popular culture has perpetuated the hillbilly stereotype, they're not all cast members of Deliverance/Southern Comfort & their ilk.

    They are portrayed as genetically deficient, inbred, murderous & backwards but with enough wisdom to outwit the most sophisticated of city folk.

    Hillbilly has now become part of the Appalachian identity & some Appalachians feel they are constantly defending themselves against this image.

    In this day of hypersensitivity to diversity & political correctness, Appalachians have been a group that it is still socially acceptable to demean & joke about.

    This hillbilly stereotype has had a traumatizing effect on some in the Appalachian region creating feelings of shame, self-hatred & detachment.

    They are a people proud of their Scotch-Irish roots, they are family orientated, extremely loyal & some of the best friends a person could ask for IMHO & should you ever get to meet one, they may surprise you with their wit, intelligence & hospitality (once they get to know you)

    Aye I'm over generalising a wee bit, but I was thinking more Sean Harris than Davy Crockett in fairness.


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    #41
    CrabRevolution
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    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    I've had the pleasure of knowing some of these 'inbred backwards hillbillies' from Appalachia/Ozarks/Uwharries/Caraways & am privileged & honoured to class them as friends.

    Popular culture has perpetuated the hillbilly stereotype, they're not all cast members of Deliverance/Southern Comfort & their ilk.

    They are portrayed as genetically deficient, inbred, murderous & backwards but with enough wisdom to outwit the most sophisticated of city folk.

    Hillbilly has now become part of the Appalachian identity & some Appalachians feel they are constantly defending themselves against this image.

    In this day of hypersensitivity to diversity & political correctness, Appalachians have been a group that it is still socially acceptable to demean & joke about.

    This hillbilly stereotype has had a traumatizing effect on some in the Appalachian region creating feelings of shame, self-hatred & detachment.

    They are a people proud of their Scotch-Irish roots, they are family orientated, extremely loyal & some of the best friends a person could ask for IMHO & should you ever get to meet one, they may surprise you with their wit, intelligence & hospitality (once they get to know you)

    No matter how kind and loyal and down to earth (terms which could apply to anywhere really) these people are, they're still the ones responsible for some pretty backwards views.

    They may be lovely in person, but they still make up the population of the states which seceded and fought to maintain slavery, the states where lynching blacks was most common, the states who had to have Jim Crow and segregation clawed from their laws by the federal government, and now the states scrambling to pass laws infringing on the rights of LGBT people.


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    #42
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    It's a handy way of condemning the legislation without having to say 'Hey America, Fcuk you and your inbred backwards hillbillies' to their biggest ally.

    I have a feeling that people in America don't really give a toss what any other country thinks of them and so this will have absolutely no impact on anything.


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    #43
    gandalf
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    511 wrote: »
    What a stupidly naive post. You do realise Ted Cruz is way far more conservative than Trump? You should be delighted Trump the front runner because his nearest rival is a lunatic: http://www.thejournal.ie/donald-trump-transgender-bathroom-2728911-Apr2016/

    Do you honestly think that Trump is good material to lead a country that has the best funded military in the world?

    Cruz is another muppet, in fact most of the Republicans are scary. It's surprising that they are from the same party as Lincoln.


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    #44
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    gandalf wrote: »
    Tbh they have to issue the warning. There is a risk for a certain demographic of their citizens and it would be remiss of them not to warn about this. Is it just me or is America getting more scary and extreme on a nearly daily basis now?

    Just you. America is one of the most liberal countries in the world, minorities should be happy to live there. When you consider the fact that women can't drive in some muslim countries and a black person might not be served in restaurants in south east asia and gay people are hung in saudi and then theres north korea and other crazy places.

    Usa might have problems that could be improved but Im so ****ing sick of anybody saying america or any other western country for that matter is racist/homophobic/sexist etc


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    #45
    FA Hayek
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    gandalf wrote: »
    Do you honestly think that Trump is good material to lead a country that has the best funded military in the world?

    Cruz is another muppet, in fact most of the Republicans are scary. It's surprising that they are from the same party as Lincoln.

    That is the second uninformed post you had in this thread. You were wrong about Trump in relation to LGBT and you were wrong about him again in relation to the US military.

    Trump is way more dovish on foreign military affairs compared to Clinton who voted by the way to invade Iraq (but lets ignore that fact as she is a Democrat and a woman so that its her wonderful).

    Trump at the time was hugely vocal agains the invasion of Iraq. People think Trump is scary because he wants to build a wall between Mexico and the US, something already happening in the EU. Yet invading Iraq is grand like.

    Trump is a bit of a loudmouth buffoon but at least agrue in fact rather than hysteria.

    Oh and before you harp on about that wonderful Socialist Sanders, have a look at what he says about China, makes Trump tame in comparsion.


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    #46
    [Deleted User]
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    gandalf wrote: »
    Is it just me or is America getting more scary and extreme on a nearly daily basis now?

    I wouldn't say it's getting worse. Or say "America" is going one way or the other. I don't think NY or Illinois or California would be known for conservatism - we know the role NY and San Franciso played at the forefront of the worldwide gay rights movement. On the other hand, some States in the South are more conservative but have not become so, they weren't liberal in the 1950s or 1980s either. I would imagine if such warnings were common in previous decades, they would have been given then too.

    I also understand that the legislation does not amount to enabling a refusal to serve gay people, but simply the right to refuse to host gay wedding ceremonies. If that is the limit of the use, at the risk of being pilloried here, I can't pretend to feel seriously offended by it. If it does extend to enabling refusal to serve people, I would agree that that's pretty outrageous.


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    #47
    12Phase
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    It's a reasonable warning. You could send up losing money or having no accommodation if a hotel in one of those states took offence and refused a gay couple.

    Technically, they've given the right to refuse service to a gay person just on that basis.

    It's not any different from saying it's fine to refuse service to Irish people, black people, women, men etc. Being gay isn't a fundamental personal attribute. It's not even cultural or religious.

    The warning is perfectly reasonable and that is the PR cost of implementation of backwards, discriminatory legislation. People won't visit or do business with you if it's likely to impact them.

    France issued warnings during the Atalanta Olympics for example about the risk to French citizens as Georgia had a wide range of laws banning normal sexual interaction between consenting adults that would be considered pretty much part of day to day life for French couples. These applied to straight and gay people.

    So there is precedent for calling US states out on daft laws.


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    #48
    Mesrine65
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    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    No matter how kind and loyal and down to earth (terms which could apply to anywhere really) these people are, they're still the ones responsible for some pretty backwards views.

    They may be lovely in person, but they still make up the population of the states which seceded and fought to maintain slavery, the states where lynching blacks was most common, the states who had to have Jim Crow and segregation clawed from their laws by the federal government, and now the states scrambling to pass laws infringing on the rights of LGBT people.
    Don't confuse hardcore fundamentalist christian's in the south with your everyday hillbilly.

    Like Ireland back in the day, religion was used to keep people subservient.

    The majority of southerners fought not for slavery, but for the south & against the perceived notion of the Yankees demeaning, predjudicial views on their way of life & the conviction that they would not secede to northern interference.

    Attitudes in the south reflect this religious indoctrination even in the 21st century in much the same way I imagine national socialist ideals still simmer under the surface for some, in modern day Germany.


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    #49
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    12Phase wrote: »
    It's a reasonable warning. You could send up losing money or having no accommodation if a hotel in one of those states took offence and refused a gay couple.

    Technically, they've given the right to refuse service to a gay person just on that basis.

    Presumably one way of avoiding that risk is to book in larger chains, like Holiday Inn, that can hardly claim strongly held religious convictions.


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    #50
    12Phase
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    The other problem with these laws is that if you start to allow discrimination based on religious belief for one thing where does the line get drawn and why?

    I mean if you go a little further they could extend the logic to refuse service to Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, there are some obscure religious beliefs were used to justify apartheid and discrimination against black people in the past.

    It's a la carte religious fundamentalism that's being used selectively to justify homophobia.

    It's largely highly selective reading and interpretation of a religious text to justify one particularly form of nasty discrimination that the rest of the developed World has moved on from.
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Presumably one way of avoiding that risk is to book in larger chains, like Holiday Inn, that can hardly claim strongly held religious convictions.

    Until you encounter some fundamentalist who refuses to serve breakfast or something and is protected by the law to do so. Major corporations don't operate their own legal systems (as much as they would like to!)

    I know I wouldn't spending one cent in those states. I'm sure they have lots of lovely people but they elected politicians who enacted these laws.


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