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Going off script

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,405 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Moneymaker wrote: »
    Puder getting hazed in the 05 Royal Rumble stands out to me too.

    Holly, Benoit and Eddie chopped the absolute **** out of him and I think it was Benoit suplexed him right on his head.

    I just watched it there as I dont remember it. Holy christ they kicked the **** out of him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭dirkmeister


    Brawl for All came about do to JBL mouthing off that he could beat any man in a bar fight.

    Bart Gunn proceeded to KO the man himself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Wasn't Taz meant to win the intercontinental championship years ago on raw. But got injured during the match and then the finish got changed. I do believe he was wrestling benoit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭LeeJM


    Brawl for All came about do to JBL mouthing off that he could beat any man in a bar fight.

    Bart Gunn proceeded to KO the man himself.

    I thought Brawl for All was brought in as a way to launch Dr. Death as a challenger to Stone Cold as Doc had a legit tough guy rep and they wanted a way to build him up as a threat to SCSA.
    Wasn't Taz meant to win the intercontinental championship years ago on raw. But got injured during the match and then the finish got changed. I do believe he was wrestling benoit.

    Never heard that before. Think Taz would have finished the match to whatever the scheduled finish was no matter the injury as he was always out to prove his toughness


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,170 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    LeeJM wrote: »


    Never heard that before. Think Taz would have finished the match to whatever the scheduled finish was no matter the injury as he was always out to prove his toughness

    Who knows if it's indeed true. It's what powerslam magazine said years ago.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Didn't regal go off script on goldberg on nitro


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,405 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    sky88 wrote: »
    Didn't regal go off script on goldberg on nitro

    The story is that regal was told to go out there and have a six minute match with Goldberg but he apparently was a bit stiff and he got heat for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,405 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Didn't Puder legit try to break Angle's arm though? No harm in him getting some payback for that.
    Well, he was getting the better of him in the ring and nearly made him tap I believe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    See that's pretty much assault if someone knowingly engages in that kind of carry on. Professional wrestling isn't sanctioned as a sport anymore so guys should face legal action then.

    I can't think of a single successful prosecution for assault during a wrestling match. There might be one but can't think of one.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    The Rockers paralyzed a guy and he got a pay out. The culture needs to change re. assault though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    The Rockers paralyzed a guy and he got a pay out. The culture needs to change re. assault though.

    I should've clarified that when read "should face legal action" I thought criminal charges. There was the John Stossel and Richard Belzer incidents which cost WWE money I believe but no criminal prosecutions afaik.

    There was the Mike Levy incident where the cops involved but again, no prosecution for assault.

    (Fwiw, this is grim stuff to be thinking and talking about...)


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,405 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Ageyev wrote: »
    I should've clarified that when read "should face legal action" I thought criminal charges. There was the John Stossel and Richard Belzer incidents which cost WWE money I believe but no criminal prosecutions afaik.

    There was the Mike Levy incident where the cops involved but again, no prosecution for assault.

    (Fwiw, this is grim stuff to be thinking and talking about...)

    It is grim but this is the not so clean part of pro wrestling in the past. It was a horrible cut throat business. It was every man for himself in some places.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭LeeJM


    In any business where money, especially the amount of money that can be in wrestling, is up for grabs you are gonna get some grim incidents. Look no further than the whole Nancy Kerrigan incident and that was figure skating FFS. And also if you wanna talk about grim in the wrestling industry just look at the deaths in the Japanese Dojos in the 80's and 90's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    Actually the Mass Transit incident in ECW one of the best examples. New Jack being the dick he was/is took major liberties and almost killed some kid who lied about his age and ability.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,405 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    gimmick wrote: »
    Actually the Mass Transit incident in ECW one of the best examples. New Jack being the dick he was/is took major liberties and almost killed some kid who lied about his age and ability.

    Yeah new jack was a dick but that kid and his father didn't help themselves. I mean he willingly gave new jack a razor blade and asked him to cut him. what the hell ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭mjavi


    in recent memory (what I was able to watch anyway) Angle vs Puder, Neville injury. VKM injuring both his quads in RR, Jeff Hardy so high in the sky vs Sting.

    Grantland ran a series of these just search for Maskman's wrestling shoots. Good read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭Imnotthehulk


    There was a match between John Tenta (Earthquake and Golga in WWE) and Koji Kitao, a japanese wrestler.

    In work so can't see the full fight at the moment to confirm this, but essentially they were due to wrestle a match, but Kitao decided not to engage with Tenta. So there was a lot of standing around and looking at each other, every time Earthquake tried to (pro) wrestle him, Kitao would no sell the moves, and I think he tried some shoot moves on Tenta too. Eventually Kitao was disqualified, at which point he grabs a mic and starts yelling about Pro Wrestling being fake.

    Previously Kitao had been a legit sumo wrestler, rising to the rank of Yokozuna (highest rank in sumo) before being expelled from Sumo, and I think had been kicked out of NJPW as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,778 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Ageyev wrote: »
    I should've clarified that when read "should face legal action" I thought criminal charges.

    Sure we see people get arrested frequently on Raw and Smackdown. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,301 ✭✭✭✭gerrybbadd


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Yeah new jack was a dick but that kid and his father didn't help themselves. I mean he willingly gave new jack a razor blade and asked him to cut him. what the hell ?

    I heard it was a scalpel he went at him with. Cut two arteries in his forehead.

    New Jack is quite possibly the biggest príck i have ever heard of


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,405 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    I heard it was a scalpel he went at him with. Cut two arteries in his forehead.

    New Jack is quite possibly the biggest príck i have ever heard of

    Fair enough Gerry. But my point is it's not a good thing to willingly ask new jack to draw your blood. I mean would you allow new jack to do that to you ? I know I wouldn't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    Ageyev wrote: »
    I should've clarified that when read "should face legal action" I thought criminal charges. There was the John Stossel and Richard Belzer incidents which cost WWE money I believe but no criminal prosecutions afaik.

    There was the Mike Levy incident where the cops involved but again, no prosecution for assault.

    (Fwiw, this is grim stuff to be thinking and talking about...)
    What was the Mike Levy incident? I know I probably heard the story before but can't remember that guys name from anywhere. It's just a part of old pro wrestling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    What was the Mike Levy incident? I know I probably heard the story before but can't remember that guys name from anywhere. It's just a part of old pro wrestling.
    The set-up:

    Ian Rotten presents Queen of the Deathmatch. A barely trained (if that) man named Mike Levy (w/ gross body, as per) asks/is asked to compete in a match to put over lady garbage wrestler Mickie Knuckles. He was to get beaten up, sell, and job.

    The reality:

    Outside a bowling alley (?!?!?!?!?!) a small gathering of fans await the next bout. You can't smell it on the video but you know there's a meat smell around. Mickie and Mike make their entrances. The match begins. Mickie starts out working stiffish, as a wrestler is likely to do with a guy that can't be trusted to make it look good. Levy's job was to get a battering, but soon he hits her with a stiff knee to the face, and then awkward stiff headbutts to her cranium. This busts her open. She isn't happy. She smacks him around with stiff forearms to his face, bludgeons him with a baseball bat, destroys him with a drinks bottle. Eventually she pins him.

    The aftermath:

    Two of Rotten's cohorts jump the ring and get on the mic to berate Mike Levy. Now, whenever something like this happens on an indy show, one might think it's a work, but the rest of the video is so intense I can't believe no one was brought up on attempted murder charges. Cohort 1 grabs Levy's arms and pulls them back, so his belly remains on the floor but his head and face hover a foot off a barbed wire wrapped ladder, lying on the mat. Cohort 2 does a double foot stomp from the top of the ladder onto the back of Levy's head, while Cohort 1 fails to release his arms. If you ever wondered exactly how resilient a human skull is, you'll learn something here. His head smashes down onto the ladder. It's the worst thing I've ever seen in wrestling, and I stood 3 foot away while Masada took my beer bottle, broke it and plunged it into the face of another man.

    It was so disgusting and violent an action, you think that maybe they must not've realised the effects of their actions. Maybe that would stand up in court. But then they did it a second time, with the much fatter cohort coming down on Levy (who was struggling to remove himself from the situation). They berate him more and kick him hard in the face a few times. Audience members clap.

    Ian Rotten comes out, beats Levy with a barbwire crutch. Levy takes a moment on the floor outside to contemplate. Bloody and ripped and panting, the concrete around him glimmers and shimmers like the night sky as the sun, witness to all life's horrors, sporadically illuminates glass debris.

    Rotten gets on the mic, accuses Levy of ruining Knuckle's chances in TNA. Rotten's pre-teen son attacks Levy with a stick, breaking it into pieces, but relentless, with the fury only a 10 year old with Ian Rotten as a parent could have. Someone shouts at Levy about selling. A cohort flattens him with a chairshot, Levy actually sells, so someone makes fun of him for selling. Rotten's kid kicks Levy in the head. Mickie Knuckles returns so that Rotten can flaunt her headwound. She seems upset and leaves as fast as her re-entry.

    A man starts to pull Levy's trousers and pants down, and as you contemplate the idea that he might soon suffer an anal rape, the only surprise comes from your total lack of surprise. With this atmosphere it seems almost inevitable. They abandon the idea, momentarily, so that Levy can be suplexed back first onto the legs of a commode. His legs are then tied up into the elastic in his underpants, and poor Levy is left for dead, as victim of and punished for, the inability of promoters to book trained wrestlers.

    I just watched the video, wish I hadn't.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Music Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators Posts: 24,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭Angron


    I don't want to see that video tbh, it's disgusting enough to read.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    Samoa Joe wrote: »
    I just watched the video, wish I hadn't.
    Have you got a link for the video to that? I'm just heading out so can't watch now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Samoa Joe


    Have you got a link for the video to that? I'm just heading out so can't watch now.

    NSFW and very brutal.

    http://www.tagtele.com/videos/voir/74167/


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    I don't advise anyone to watch that video, it is utterly sickening and a disgusting display that should have resulted in charges being brought!

    I watched it years ago and it has stuck with me ever since - I will not watch it again!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,721 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Samoa Joe wrote: »

    Not just NSFW, that's NSFAnyone

    Brutal isn't the word

    Sorry I watched it


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Jesus that took a dark turn. Hopefully this will lighten the mood. Men on a Mission accidentally won the WWF Tag Team Titles at a house show in the UK in '94 when the 500lb Mabel fell on one of the Quebecers and knocked him batty. There was no kick out and the ref counted the opin as a shoot. MOM won the straps before dropping them back a night or two later.

    Actually, maybe using the word 'lighten' in that scenario wasn't accurate!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    Samoa Joe wrote: »
    So that was all reasonably acceptable up until the match itself actually ended. Before that point I was blaming Mike Levy for participating in such a retarded federation. That Ian Rotten prick however really took things to another level. The people in the audience are all complicit as well by encouraging the whole thing.


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