liffey valley today

gymman39

Just seen a female security guard asking a young guy to take down his hoodie while walking around with his girlfriend..
Some people would say fair enough as this could be seen as a security issue but my problem with this is muslim women are allowed walk around the same centre in full headgear with just their eyes showing....im not a racist and have no problem with people with different religious beliefs but found this a bit unsettling to be honest....thoughts??

Depp

you cant say that! thats racist!

me_irl

Hoodie up indoors = suspicious.
The hijab (the veil bit) = religious belief.

It's political correctness gone mad innit?!

Not even going to go after the obvious "I'm not a racist but..." line.

seamus

How often do women in hijabs shoplift in comparison to young fellas with their hoods up?

It's not about equality it's about the simple fact that dodgy people wander around shopping centres with their hoods up. Normal people tend to take their hoods down indoors.

gymman39

gymman39 wrote: »

Just seen a female security guard asking a young guy to take down his hoodie while walking around with his girlfriend..
Some people would say fair enough as this could be seen as a security issue but my problem with this is muslim women are allowed walk around the same centre in full headgear with just their eyes showing....im not a racist and have no problem with people with different religious beliefs but found this a bit unsettling to be honest....thoughts??

Wait for it.

They'll be along in a minute, pointing out that it's actually sexist and the silence from third wave feminists is deafening.

Wait for it...

Incidentally, if you don't understand the difference between a hoody and a hijab, well it's...actually I can't be bothered explaining it...it's too obvious...

biko

What is this thread about?

wil

biko wrote: »

What is this thread about?

Grim Rapper

The_Valeyard

biko wrote: »

What is this thread about?

Guy wears hoodie up, security steps in, Benny Hill scene, while some Muslim in a hijab robs Dunnes Stores.

FizzleSticks

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Stacker Pentecost

seamus wrote: »

How often do women in hijabs shoplift in comparison to young fellas with their hoods up?

It's not about equality it's about the simple fact that dodgy people wander around shopping centres with their hoods up. Normal people tend to take their hoods down indoors.

How often do young fellas with their hoods up blow themselves up in public places?

:pac:

Lights On

I'm not racist...but..

Fair play OP, it's been a long time since I've seen that written out and it not been a piss take

tritium

Does kind of smack of profiling a bit, though it's possibly not unexpected that a security guard well single out someone who fits a orfile their experience says is trouble. Funny around Liffey valley though since a hoodie would kind of be the default uniform in that area

biko

How can it be racist to dislike the niqab, you can't tell the colour of their skin when every inch is covered..

smash

What has nobody done a bank robbery in a hijab? It makes so much sense, it would even hide your clothes. Just take it off and burn it during your getaway.

Depp

smash wrote: »

What has nobody done a bank robbery in a hijab? It makes so much sense, it would even hide your clothes. Just take it off and burn it during your getaway.

how has that not been tried yet :D

smash

Depp wrote: »

how has that not been tried yet :D

You don't even need a gun. You just shout "allahu akbar"

Capt'n Midnight

biko wrote: »

How can it be racist to dislike the niqab, you can't tell the colour of their skin when every inch is covered..

I find it saves time if you discriminate everyone first and worry about the why afterwards.


People, what a bunch of bastards

cocoman

gymman39 wrote: »

Just seen a female security guard asking a young guy to take down his hoodie while walking around with his girlfriend..
Some people would say fair enough as this could be seen as a security issue but my problem with this is muslim women are allowed walk around the same centre in full headgear with just their eyes showing....im not a racist and have no problem with people with different religious beliefs but found this a bit unsettling to be honest....thoughts??

Did the security guard also ask him to untuck his trackie bottoms from his white socks?

smash

cocoman wrote: »

Did the security guard also ask him to untuck his trackie bottoms from his white socks?

And take his hands out of his pants!

Dyr

seamus wrote: »

How often do women in hijabs shoplift in comparison to young fellas with their hoods up?

It's not about equality it's about the simple fact that dodgy people wander around shopping centres with their hoods up. Normal people tend to take their hoods down indoors.

How many young fellas in hoodies blow up shopping centres?

Of course wearing the hoodie down transforms you into a non dodgy person

stoplooklisten

Depp wrote: »

how has that not been tried yet :D

Armed robbers dressed in Burkas launch raid on Brixton pawnbrokers https://www.google.nl/search?num=50&newwindow=1&espv=2&q=crimes+in+hijab%3B+robbery&oq=crimes+in+hijab%3B+robbery&gs_l=serp.3...28339.31219.0.31861.8.8.0.0.0.0.117.695.6j2.8.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..0.3.324.WnW6MBcP3f0

Esel

FSG: Put your hood down please.

Yute: K. *drops hood, revealing horribly deformed skull

FSG: On second thoughts...

UrbanSprawl

smash wrote: »

What has nobody done a bank robbery in a hijab? It makes so much sense, it would even hide your clothes. Just take it off and burn it during your getaway.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/woman-wearing-hijab-robs-comerica-bank-in-dearborn-heights

Discodog

seamus wrote: »

How often do women in hijabs shoplift in comparison to young fellas with their hoods up?

It's not about equality it's about the simple fact that dodgy people wander around shopping centres with their hoods up. Normal people tend to take their hoods down indoors.

Well they used to. A friend of mine worked in London when all the Arabs were in town. He was a security guy for a major department store. He said that women were coming in, stuffing rails of clothes under their burkas & walking out. Security were under instruction not to touch them as some were close to the middle eastern ambassadors, apparently some were diplomats wives.

He said one famous store used to just add the cost to the customers account.

Ally Dick

I had to move some young hoodies off my garden wall recently, and they grudgingly walked off saying "Is it because I is gangster?". That says it all really

Snake Plisken

As for the Muslim women going full burka there have been a couple of high profile robberies an example of one below
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/police-search-for-two-men-who-robbed-jewelry-store-wearing-burkas/article21649559/?service=mobile

They should be fully outlawed in public places!

Cathy.C

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

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I've just reported you for posting with a hooded avatar.

corner of hells

Discodog wrote: »

Well they used to. A friend of mine worked in London when all the Arabs were in town. He was a security guy for a major department store. He said that women were coming in, stuffing rails of clothes under their burkas & walking out. Security were under instruction not to touch them as some were close to the middle eastern ambassadors, apparently some were diplomats wives.

He said one famous store used to just add the cost to the customers account.

Were they stroking Ferraro Rochet as well for the ambassadors piss ups ?

MilesMorales1

But why did he have his hood up in the first place?

corner of hells

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

But why did he have his hood up in the first place?

Maybe his bird is ugly innit , an he didnt want his bro's to see him wiv her.

stoplooklisten

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

But why did he have his hood up in the first place?

liffey valley is his church, the place that heals his hurts


keepin it realz

PLL

It's like the church of the flying spaghetti monster and the woman that fought to wear a colander on her head in her driving licence photo, making a point by stating it was part of her religion. She was just making a point that she should be free to wear head gear if she wants to.

The guy should be allowed to wear his hoody up and not be judged as a potential criminal,in the same way a woman in a hijab should be free to wear it without the assumption she is or knows terrorists.

meeeeh

PLL wrote: »

It's like the church of the flying spaghetti monster and the woman that fought to wear a colander on her head in her driving licence photo, making a point by stating it was part of her religion. She was just making a point that she should be free to wear head gear if she wants to.

The guy should be allowed to wear his hoody up and not be judged as a potential criminal,in the same way a woman in a hijab should be free to wear it without the assumption she is or knows terrorists.

Yeah and random checks in the airport's randomly select more darker skinned people. These things are based on perception or crime stats. We had quite a few break ins into the yard at work. Surprisingly enough no women in burkas and of plenty men in hoodies. I am sure it is not as cold in liffey valley that he had to keep the hoodie on. And as much as Ioathe women being covered, hoodie is not a religious, racial or any other necessity.

stoplooklisten

They may wear burkas to stop their identification on crimeline photofit section, and wear hoodies for actually carrying out the crime

Red Kev

PLL wrote: »

The guy should be allowed to wear his hoody up and not be judged as a potential criminal,in the same way a woman in a hijab should be free to wear it without the assumption she is or knows terrorists.

Liffey Valley is privately owned, so they can set their own rules on code of dress, conduct etc. If they want hoodies down, that's their perogative.

If yer man doesn't like it he should take his cash elsewhere, where he is "free to wear his hoody up".

Red Kev

Discodog wrote: »

Well they used to. A friend of mine worked in London when all the Arabs were in town. He was a security guy for a major department store. He said that women were coming in, stuffing rails of clothes under their burkas & walking out. Security were under instruction not to touch them as some were close to the middle eastern ambassadors, apparently some were diplomats wives.

He said one famous store used to just add the cost to the customers account.

They used to try that stunt in France when I lived there in the 90's. Easy solution: they just employed a couple of female muslim security guards to pick the women up.

They found out that pretty much all of them were either non-muslim, or if they were, they never wore the burqa in ordinary life. They got the publicity for it and the problem stopped straight away.

stoplooklisten

Red Kev wrote: »

They used to try that stunt in France when I lived there in the 90's. Easy solution: they just employed a couple of female muslim security guards to pick the women up.

They found out that pretty much all of them were either non-muslim, or if they were, they never wore the burqa in ordinary life. They got the publicity for it and the problem stopped straight away.

What if Decco identifies as a female and wears a burka, who'd search her?

BunkMoreland

seamus wrote: »

How often do women in hijabs shoplift in comparison to young fellas with their hoods up?.

Well if you're going to use that logic, then how often do young fellas with their hoods act as suicde bombers?

spurious

BunkMoreland wrote: »

Well if you're going to use that logic, then how often do young fellas with their hoods act as suicde bombers?

I'd say shoplifting is a bit more common in Liffey Valley than suicide bombing.

AtomicHorror

spurious wrote: »

I'd say shoplifting is a bit more common in Liffey Valley than suicide bombing.

I'd say that probably holds true for all of... well, Earth.

prinzeugen

You can fit more under baggy clothes than a teen would inside his hood.

http://youtu.be/572QlTVN4AI

The words sausage and hallway come to mind..

mojesius

Liffey valley on a Saturday = pure hell.

elstingeo

Security guards study body language and behaviour. Wearing a hooded top with the hood disguising your head aka your identity is a socially deviant behaviour whereas a veiled Muslim woman isn't due to the fact it is a religious belief and there is no need for worry or to be paranoid about her doing anything wrong regardless of your concern or opinions which are either based on the media or irrational worries about something you don't understand. Try not to think so deep and accept things at face value. I hope you enjoyed your time in liffey Valley.

222233

seamus wrote: »

How often do women in hijabs shoplift in comparison to young fellas with their hoods up?

It's not about equality it's about the simple fact that dodgy people wander around shopping centres with their hoods up. Normal people tend to take their hoods down indoors.

Have you ever worked in retail? the people in hoodies aren't the ones you need to watch you would be so surprised at the people you see shoplifting - your neighbour, your teacher and everyone in between...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

seamus wrote: »

How often do women in hijabs shoplift in comparison to young fellas with their hoods up?

It's not about equality it's about the simple fact that dodgy people wander around shopping centres with their hoods up. Normal people tend to take their hoods down indoors.

Like, what the actual lump?

This is one of the most idiotic posts I have read on boards of late.

"Ever feel the need to shoplift? Scientists have discovered that wearing a hoodie increases the chances you will shoplift by dippidy diddly doo doo percent. Scientists are still studying this odd phenomenon sweeping our nation... bla bla bla, more madeness... bla bla bla..."

MacauDragon

Stone her.


Oh no wait we're civilized.

JackieBauer

We just follow Britain constantly. Pricks like Blair/Brown/Cameron talk about most Muslims being alright (which they probably are) and let's face it, they all despise Muslims.

I will say this publicly, the burka/hijab is degrading to women and has NO place in Ireland. Women can wear whatever the f.uck they want without religion dictating what they SHOULD wear. It's a simple solution - Islam is not compatible with western society. Let us have Europe, they can have North Africa and the Middle East. Simple solution but it should have been implemented 50 years ago. Too late now, I'm afraid

MrPudding

JackieBauer wrote: »

We just follow Britain constantly. Pricks like Blair/Brown/Cameron talk about most Muslims being alright (which they probably are) and let's face it, they all despise Muslims.

I will say this publicly, the burka/hijab is degrading to women and has NO place in Ireland. Women can wear whatever the f.uck they want without religion dictating what they SHOULD wear. It's a simple solution - Islam is not compatible with western society. Let us have Europe, they can have North Africa and the Middle East. Simple solution but it should have been implemented 50 years ago. Too late now, I'm afraid

I am no supporter of the face veil, but what if that is what they want to wear?

MrP

Spanish Eyes

OK, the full shebang like in Afghanistan under the Taliban could be worn by men. For the purposes of peace of course, nothing else really. Who knew?

Would anyone challenge a full cover person to ask or find out if they are male or female?

Anyway, how anyone could spend time in an oxygen deprived environment with crap food and rubbish shops in a shopping centre is totally beyond me.

I will have Grafton Street/Mary Street anyday thank you, and fresh air and buskers and a bit of craic too. And a nice pub or two nearby to recover.

JupiterKid

I'm no great fan of shopping centres but Liffey Valley is utterly soulless.

Spanish Eyes

JupiterKid wrote: »

I'm no great fan of shopping centres but Liffey Valley is utterly soulless.

But it's packed day and night.

Whoy?