Justin Bieber guilty of 'Cultural Appropriation'?

Cathy.C

Crime against music perhaps but 'Cultural Appropriation'? Nah.

Just seeing this on Twitter this morning and seems it was also even discussed on BBC's Newsnight this week too, where an Irish Nigerian (this one) claimed that certain aspects of cultures were being appropriated by whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ6vwa3SyoU

Follows on from this recent video of a black student taking issue with one of her fellow white students having dreadlocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAwSFv8e8K4

Be interested to see what others think but for me anyway all this 'Cultural Appropriation' stuff is bullsh1t. I don't for a second buy the power dynamic argument regarding it at all. Comes across as just a cop out. Surely there are many things which were originally synonymous with one particular culture but because they went on to become very popular or highly fashionable, were adopted by many cultures. I fail to see how it could be regarded as 'cultural appropriation'. More like cultural appreciation.

smash

Before you know it white people wont be allowed wear hoodies. Or smoke crack!

darkpagandeath

Dreadlocks are synonymous with Jamaica is your woman Jamaican ? But also found in older times in.
Hinduism
Buddhism
Judaism and Christianity
Africa
Rastafari


Hairstyle is not culture everyone can grow hair.....

suicide_circus

Bieber is Babylon.

darkpagandeath

news up next your woman is not a racist somehow.

melissak

Is being a tool a culture?

stunmer

How this is even being debated is beyond me.

It's a f*****g hairstyle ffs!

darkpagandeath

melissak wrote: »

Is being a tool a culture?

Helps if you want to get big on Vine or vlog.

seamus

People still seem surprised that racism isn't something only white people engage in.

andekwarhola

People of every race/ethnicity should be free to look like work-shy, bourgeois tits.

Je Suis Dreadlock.

silverharp

seamus wrote: »

People still seem surprised that racism isn't something only white people engage in.

did you not get the memo? , only white people can be racist

Duggy747

You're into equality and sharing of cultures and experiences?

That's great!!...................wait...........hang the fúck on!!.............

You privileged ableist CIS scum!

stunmer

Ah, the magic words used by Emma.

It's down to "power dynamics".

Beyonce was not guilty of cultural appropriation when she did a song with Coldplay wearing indian clothes and jewellery in India.

All of this is such crap

Akrasia

I saw a homeless man on the street the other day his clothes were filthy and he hadn't washed in weeks, so I berated him for at least a half hour for misappropriating hippie culture

GLaDOS

"Cultural Appropriation" is a fantastic term for flagging people who's opinions I shouldn't pay attention to.

Rattser

Cathy.C wrote: »

Crime against music perhaps but 'Cultural Appropriation'? Nah.

Just seeing this on Twitter this morning and seems it was also even discussed on BBC's Newsnight this week too, where an Irish Nigerian (this one) claimed that certain aspects of cultures were being appropriated by whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ6vwa3SyoU

Is she, as a black person, appropriating Irish identity and culture when she claims to be Irish?

conorhal

Am I guilty of cultural appropriation if I order and Indian takeaway tonight? If it's racist I'll just go and boil some spuds instead.......

gozunda

Scene: 1

Cave in Paleolithic era.

Tribe of stone age people have just discovered fire.

Neighbours of different tribe drop by
"Hey wow Fire! Can we get some?"

First group "Nah feck off that would be cultural appropriatism"

Rattser

I'd appropriate the hell out of a breakfast burrito right now.

valoren

I bought a novelty Rasta hat with faux long dreadlocks last year in Jamaica.

"You are appropriating our culture :mad:....that'll be $20 please ."

Olishi4

Cathy.C wrote: »

Be interested to see what others think but for me anyway all this 'Cultural Appropriation' stuff is bullsh1t. I don't for a second buy the power dynamic argument regarding it at all. Comes across as just a cop out. Surely there are many things which were originally synonymous with one particular culture but because they went on to become very popular or highly fashionable, were adopted by many cultures. I fail to see how it could be regarded as 'cultural appropriation'. More like cultural appreciation.

I've heard theories that Bob Dylan's, Subterranean Homesick Blues was one of the first rap songs. I'm not sure if it's true but the whole Elvis and Beyonce thing in the clip was just stupid. Singer's or whatever are recognised and each get their own credit for what they do. Not to forget Ska music, a mixture of punk and Jamaican Ska. You needed both to create the sound.

All cultures take and adopt things from one another. I cant see what good it would do or how you could prevent this as it's completely natural.

Pac1Man

That's it. Life is now officially too easy. We no longer have to hunt bears, keep mountain lions and wolves away from the cave entrance, worry about invading villages or expect imminent death if someone gets the sniffles.

We now have an abundance of energy and ideas of perceived self importance that needs to be released in the form of bullsh!t accusations and heated arguments on internet forums with people we don't know or see, on topics we don't really care about.

People annoy me.

smash

Olishi4 wrote: »

All cultures take and adopt things from one another.

Yes but did you not know that it's only an issue when white people do it.

Gyalist

Rattser wrote: »

Is she, as a black person, appropriating Irish identity and culture when she claims to be Irish?

She's not claiming to be Irish, she is Irish.

Pac1Man

Gyalist wrote: »

She's not claiming to be Irish, she is Irish.

He has got dreadlocks.

GLaDOS

Without cultural appropriation we wouldn't have gotten rock music.

Cultural appropriation for everybody!

smash

Ok I have a question. My great great grandfather was Spanish. If I walk around wearing this is it ok? It's traditional Spanish attire so I'm not appropriating anything, I'm just appreciating my heritage.

The Randy Riverbeast

Cultural appropriation as they call it has been happening for ages. If it wasn't cultures wouldn't be influenced by each other. I don't get this obsession these days with deciding that cultures need to be preserved how they are now and there is to be no more change.

speedboatchase

conorhal wrote: »

Am I guilty of cultural appropriation if I order and Indian takeaway tonight? If it's racist I'll just go and boil some spuds instead.......

In an American university, students protested over the serving of Asian food:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/19/oberlin-college-students-cultural-appropriation_n_8846050.html

In another university, yoga is out:
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/11/university_canceled_yoga_class_no_it_s_not_cultural_appropriation_to_practice.html

Workers' rights, socialised medicine, welfare state, large soccer stadiums. Just some of the things other places have appropriated or tried to from Europe, the bastards.

speedboatchase

speedboatchase wrote: »

In an American university, students protested over the serving of Asian food:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/19/oberlin-college-students-cultural-appropriation_n_8846050.html

In another university, yoga is out:
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/11/university_canceled_yoga_class_no_it_s_not_cultural_appropriation_to_practice.html

No no, political correctness doesn't exist, remember!?

Samaris

As a liberal leftie, I still find this **** unimportant and unhelpful.

Although it took scanning the start of that video twice to figure out what she was talking about. I thought Bieber was supposed to be the person talking in the freeze frame at the start (it was a rather unflattering image) and was mostly kinda bemused. Yeah, I know he's blond, but hair dye is a thing!

beach_walker

conorhal wrote: »

Am I guilty of cultural appropriation if I order and Indian takeaway tonight? If it's racist I'll just go and boil some spuds instead.......

Hmm, originally from the Americas. No spuds for you either.

whatdoicare

I think for the laugh some PR person of Biebers should come out with a detailed history of Bieber and claim that he is, in fact, African.

Well see some amount of backtracking then, when the world gets to blame black people for Beiber :pac:



Also, come to think of it - aren't we all supposed to be originally African?

darkpagandeath

The more I think about stuff like this the more I think people peddling this nonsense are completely stupid. She seems to be saying all black culture is the same. Now does she mean American Black culture ? or African, We have to draw a line if she thinks African. As African culture is not some homogeneous blob. What culture exactly ? I think also the same kind of people get mixed up with Race and Culture as well. Being black or white does not make you the same for example. And tbh the guy she was ranting at had Black ancestors so he's appropriating nothing. Unless she believes in some Aryan race.

conorhal

beach_walker wrote: »

Hmm, originally from the Americas. No spuds for you either.

Bugger... Culturally appropriate starvation for dinner it is so!

speedboatchase

beach_walker wrote: »

Hmm, originally from the Americas. No spuds for you either.

Are we still allowed enjoy boiling things?

darkpagandeath

speedboatchase wrote: »

Are we still allowed enjoy boiling things?

Nope I assume our non white ancestors invented that after finding out how fire works.

beach_walker

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Nope I assume our non white ancestors invented that after finding out how fire works.

So which modern day race has dibs on it? I reckon we can trade them some Irish developed stuff (like boycotting stuff, and Billy Roll Ham).

Actually which ethnic grouping has cultural ownership of trade?!

darkpagandeath

beach_walker wrote: »

So which modern day race has dibs on it? I reckon we can trade them some Irish developed stuff (like boycotting stuff, and Billy Roll Ham).

Actually which ethnic grouping has cultural ownership of trade?!

That's a tough one could be as far back as home-sapiens and Neanderthals they reckon.

12Phase

This cultural appropriation thing is nonsense. If people want to adopt aspects of another culture surely that's a good thing in terms of cultural understanding and people identifying with parts of other groups in a society.

It's stuff like that that builds bridges.

How far do you want to go with this?

Is enjoying cooking Italian food appropriating Italian culture?

Is participating in Patrick's Day in the US stealing Irish culture ?

Some of this hyper sensitivity is starting to be hugely counterproductive in terms of building societies.

Duggy747

Led Zeppelin are guilty of cultural appropriation, how dare they take blues from African-Americans and put it into their white man sounds.

Rory Gallagher is probably the greatest monster of the 20th century.

Samaris

I have no issue with some elements of sensitivity. It's not a sweeping load of bullcrap. I think most of us can get together on blackface minstrel shows being fairly inappropriate these days. And I blinked a bit at a totally casual use in an old children's book I was reading the other day of "working like a n*gger". I'm not at all bothered by someone dressing as a red-bearded leprechaun on St. Patrick's Day though.

Just like anything else, sensitivity is good in a reasonable dose but can all go too far.

gozunda

beach_walker wrote: »

So which modern day race has dibs on it? I reckon we can trade them some Irish developed stuff (like boycotting stuff, and Billy Roll Ham).

Actually which ethnic grouping has cultural ownership of trade?!

Turf - what could be more irish than that!
So maybe we can maybe barter some nice turf

Samaris

We can trade in turf and clover. And leprechaun gold.

speedboatchase

12Phase wrote: »

Is participating in Patrick's Day in the US stealing Irish culture ?

Irish people are white, so that's fine. You can literally create a team called the 'Fighting Irish' with a leprechaun raising his fists as your mascot.

cowboyBuilder

seamus wrote: »

People still seem surprised that racism isn't something only white people engage in.

Some people argue that black people can't be racist.

darkpagandeath

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Some people argue that black people can't be racist.

We all remember that equality and diversity officer was it not from that University that said she could not be Racist.

Dial Hard

seamus wrote:

People still seem surprised that racism isn't something only white people engage in.

I (foolishly) got into a conversation about this on an American forum before and the girl in question maintained that "reverse racism" isn't a thing because, slavery. She seemed quite genuinely baffled when I pointed out that a) it's just racism, there's nothing "reverse" about it and b) racism as a concept is not limited to the American experience of it.

speedboatchase

darkpagandeath wrote: »

We all remember that equality and diversity officer was it not from that University that said she could not be Racist.

Bahar Mustafa from Goldsmiths University. She's Turkish. The argument given is always that racism is actually power + privilege, and non-white people don't have the power. I'd love to hear her views on the Turkish genocide of Armenians though.

wp_rathead

I'd consider myself a left leaning chap - this type of sh!te gives fuel to people to shout "PC Gone Mad"
Complete nonsense

She would probably hate the Guinness add about Jazz being on "White" Radio Stations