GLAS thread

blue5000

Sami23 wrote: »

Well did everyone get their WBC in by the deadline ?

Tileman wrote: »

Got it on three weeks ago and only some of it germinated. Horrible weather for new seeds. Cold and wet.

Qprmeath wrote: »

Failure to establish catch crop.
Very slow establishing on dry ground in driest part of country. Sanction is now that only a portion of it didn’t grow.
Probably should have tilled more but with seed costing €7/800 would not have made sense,

Sami23 wrote: »

Next few weeks look bad too. Alot of rain forecast

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Was lucky, the most of it I put in the end of April, just before the weather broke...

The last bit, is a shambles, and best not talk too much about it... If it comes, it'll be a bit of a miracle...

There are calls for an extension to the sowing date, sorry about the paywall,

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/calls-for-swift-decision-on-extension-to-wild-bird-cover-sowing-dates-625465

Nothing announced yet.

Edit; https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/glas-department-to-provide-extension-for-wild-bird-cover/

But if you want an extension you have to contact the dept yourself. In all fairness, who wants to do that and risk an inspection?

Qprmeath

blue5000 wrote: »

There are calls for an extension to the sowing date, sorry about the paywall,

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/calls-for-swift-decision-on-extension-to-wild-bird-cover-sowing-dates-625465

Nothing announced yet.

If ye get the joyless inspector I had you’ll all be in trouble! Spoke to him on day of inspection but never made me aware how unhappy he was. Didn’t find out I was removed until 6 months later by letter.

Water John

Qprmeath wrote: »

If ye get the joyless inspector I had you’ll all be in trouble! Spoke to him on day of inspection but never made me aware how unhappy he was. Didn’t find out I was removed until 6 months later by letter.

These are the nasty ones. Got a burn over 20 years ago on sucklers like that. Told me on the day it would be a minor penalty but when he went into the office he wrote recommending full refusal in the inspection sheet.

Qprmeath

Alibaba wrote: »

You might have a chance of getting it back if you're termination was just reduced to a penalty .

Would have to know the full facts to be able to offer an opinion on the case.

Best thing is to get on to the Department ( I know it can be frustrating) and try and get talking to somebody. Just keep trying them.

Maybe IFA could be of help to you. They have contacts in the Department.

I was in a similar situation a few years ago to yourself , found IFA very helpful.

Will discuss my next move with my planner, no longer in the IFA. Has anyone experienced a situation like this where an appeal has been successful?

Water John

The termination is now considered invalid I would assume and thus any consequences null and void. IMO you're entitled to full payment on 19 and 20.
One would have to exhaust the options with the Dept of resolving it but the Ombudsman would be your ultimate port of call.
TMK Glas is a legal contract between you, the farmer and the Dept of Ag. The Dept terminated that and it's been decided by some appeal officer that they were incorrect as it was, too harsh a penalty relative to the offence.

Alibaba

Water John wrote: »

The termination is now considered invalid I would assume and thus any consequences null and void. IMO you're entitled to full payment on 19 and 20.
One would have to exhaust the options with the Dept of resolving it but the Ombudsman would be your ultimate port of call.
TMK Glas is a legal contract between you, the farmer and the Dept of Ag. The Dept terminated that and it's been decided by some appeal officer that they were incorrect as it was, too harsh a penalty relative to the offence.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

If you have a solid case and it looks as if you must have , as your termination was reversed and reduced to a penalty then you must have a decent chance of getting back 19/20

Did you ask them ?

Qprmeath

Alibaba wrote: »

That makes a lot of sense to me.

If you have a solid case and it looks as if you must have , as your termination was reversed and reduced to a penalty then you must have a decent chance of getting back 19/20

Did you ask them ?

Only got appeal result end of last week. Was giving it bit of time before I dug any deeper as the department works slowly in these situations. My planner who is hugely experienced can’t give me a definitive answer on it. Hence was wondering had anyone else had the experience?

Alibaba

Qprmeath wrote: »

Only got appeal result end of last week. Was giving it bit of time before I dug any deeper as the department works slowly in these situations. My planner who is hugely experienced can’t give me a definitive answer on it. Hence was wondering had anyone else had the experience?

I'd say just keep on to the Department till you get an answer.

Just keep emailing them , ( phone can be a nightmare , press 1 , 2 , 3 etc and waiting for ages ) . But either way just get an answer from them.

I won an appeal myself a few years ago , with the huge help of IFA as I was advising earlier.
You don't even have to be a member , I was , but as far as I know they'd help anyone.
Tried politicians , waste of time .. would still be waiting.

But I'd say you're not that far gone yet , you've won you're appeal so you have a decent chance of getting refunded 2019 and 20.

Best of luck

Qprmeath

Alibaba wrote: »

I'd say just keep on to the Department till you get an answer.

Just keep emailing them , ( phone can be a nightmare , press 1 , 2 , 3 etc and waiting for ages ) . But either way just get an answer from them.

I won an appeal myself a few years ago , with the huge help of IFA as I was advising earlier.
You don't even have to be a member , I was , but as far as I know they'd help anyone.
Tried politicians , waste of time .. would still be waiting.

But I'd say you're not that far gone yet , you've won you're appeal so you have a decent chance of getting refunded 2019 and 20.

Best of luck

Thanks everyone, will give it a couple of weeks before making enquiries. Wonder will I get any correspondence from Dept. to clarify things. Considering this has been going on nearly 3 years I won’t hold my breath.

Base price

Article in the Farmers Journal today about a farmer that appealed and won his case after been thrown out of GLAS -

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmer-wrongly-expelled-from-glas-over-slurry-spreading-627358

I says

Base price wrote: »

Article in the Farmers Journal today about a farmer that appealed and won his case after been thrown out of GLAS -

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmer-wrongly-expelled-from-glas-over-slurry-spreading-627358

Arra ffs I got thrown out for making a dogs dinner of filling out the form for importing slurry. I appealed and got back in. I got back in on a technicality. Make sure they have dotted the I’s and crossed the T’s on all correspondence they send you out.

Qprmeath

Qprmeath wrote: »

Thanks everyone, will give it a couple of weeks before making enquiries. Wonder will I get any correspondence from Dept. to clarify things. Considering this has been going on nearly 3 years I won’t hold my breath.

My planner has done a bit of digging on this and he thinks I’ll get paid shortly. Is there a payment run due?
I also got a letter offering me an extra year which makes me think I’m back in the system.

MIKEKC

I says wrote: »

Arra ffs I got thrown out for making a dogs dinner of filling out the form for importing slurry. I appealed and got back in. I got back in on a technicality. Make sure they have dotted the I’s and crossed the T’s on all correspondence they send you out.

The fact that a few people won their cases is getting a lot of publicity. About 130 appeals were made to the ombudsman last year no information on how the majority got on

Tileman

MIKEKC wrote: »

The fact that a few people won their cases is getting a lot of publicity. About 130 appeals were made to the ombudsman last year no information on how the majority got on

Anyone get Dow for cutting hay early in those appeals?

Qprmeath

MIKEKC wrote: »

The fact that a few people won their cases is getting a lot of publicity. About 130 appeals were made to the ombudsman last year no information on how the majority got on

Judging by the attitude of the inspector during my appeals I reckon the inspectors must be harbouring a fair bit of negativity towards the whole process. Not happy being continually undermined.

Jb1989

Qprmeath wrote: »

Judging by the attitude of the inspector during my appeals I reckon the inspectors must be harbouring a fair bit of negativity towards the whole process. Not happy being continually undermined.

On a side note, it must take a certain type of person, in the majority of cases, to become an inspector.

Most of farm and revenue inspectors, maybe garda's too, are and need to be ruthless in their job.

They come up with a conclusion, often times with a sharp and demanding tone, and it's up to you to prove your innocence.

You need to be brassnecked in that game, the opposite of other people that would be soft, easygoing and polite.

Maybe, they are just like that during their working hours , and out of hours, they are then soft, easygoing and polite.

Nobbies

One bag of 18 6 12 to the acre, sowed 22 days ago on a glas parcel. Any chance of nitrogen still being in grass. Growth has being slow & Tractor tracks still visible.

Castlekeeper

Jb1989 wrote: »

On a side note, it must take a certain type of person, in the majority of cases, to become an inspector.

Most of farm and revenue inspectors, maybe garda's too, are and need to be ruthless in their job.

They come up with a conclusion, often times with a sharp and demanding tone, and it's up to you to prove your innocence.

You need to be brassnecked in that game, the opposite of other people that would be soft, easygoing and polite.

Maybe, they are just like that during their working hours , and out of hours, they are then soft, easygoing and polite.

I get the impression that they're handpicked according to a psychological profile.

Dinzee Conlee

Jb1989 wrote: »

On a side note, it must take a certain type of person, in the majority of cases, to become an inspector.

Most of farm and revenue inspectors, maybe garda's too, are and need to be ruthless in their job.

They come up with a conclusion, often times with a sharp and demanding tone, and it's up to you to prove your innocence.

You need to be brassnecked in that game, the opposite of other people that would be soft, easygoing and polite.

Maybe, they are just like that during their working hours , and out of hours, they are then soft, easygoing and polite.

I suppose as with everything, some people will be better/worse than others..

I wonder do they start out ok, and then after years of going into farners and listening to excuses and bull**** day after day do they just get a bit hard?

Do we as farmers live in a bit of a bubble? As farmers, we kinda do our own thing the majority of the time.
But for schemes the criteria are set, and maybe it doesn’t suit us sometimes...

Like, in my day job, if a customer gave us a spec and said do this, and we got back to them and said we did it all, 100%, but really we didn’t. And we didn’t tell them the bits we didn’t do til they pointed it out to us...
I don’t think it would go down well, you could see why they might not be happy
.

Nekarsulm

Qprmeath wrote: »

My planner has done a bit of digging on this and he thinks I’ll get paid shortly. Is there a payment run due?.

Things like this, where you have succeeded in an appeal against a penalty, don't need to wait for a particular "payment run".
There are payment runs every day.
Somebody prepares a manual payment document and emails it to the payments section.
It gets processed , and picked up on the overnight run.
If you are due payment for a number of years, each year is processed separately.
Will be in your account in 3 working days.

memorystick

I’m putting in water troughs on bases. That’s not the issue. Am I supposed to keep them away from drains? All drains are dry since April and are not marked on the map. There’s a river course that is marked. Am I looking too far into things?

Nekarsulm

Nobbies wrote: »

One bag of 18 6 12 to the acre, sowed 22 days ago on a glas parcel. Any chance of nitrogen still being in grass. Growth has being slow & Tractor tracks still visible.

Normal growth accounts for 2.5 units a day ( I think) so it should be gone .

Qprmeath

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Things like this, where you have succeeded in an appeal against a penalty, don't need to wait for a particular "payment run".
There are payment runs every day.
Somebody prepares a manual payment document and emails it to the payments section.
It gets processed , and picked up on the overnight run.
If you are due payment for a number of years, each year is processed separately.
Will be in your account in 3 working days.

Tried to reply to your pm, your inbox is full. Thanks for that

Base price

The disc mower is greased up, with a few new blades and on the tractor ready for the LIPP in the morning. Unfortunately a lot of the docks have gone to seed so the next generation are in the ground.
What ever new "environmental" schemes come into place in the next few years I doubt we will sign up for anything similar to LIPP. IMO the restriction on topping and weed wiping benefits the development of huge numbers of docks, ragwort, etc to the detriment of our traditional grazing pasture.

PoorFarmer

Base price wrote: »

The disc mower is greased up, with a few new blades and on the tractor ready for the LIPP in the morning. Unfortunately a lot of the docks have gone to seed so the next generation are in the ground.
What ever new "environmental" schemes come into place in the next few years I doubt we will sign up for anything similar to LIPP. IMO the restriction on topping and weed wiping benefits the development of huge numbers of docks, ragwort, etc to the detriment of our traditional grazing pasture.

I thought weed wiping was allowed????
I definitely see where you're coming from though. I put some of my poorer areas in as LIPP and its thoroughly overrun now with weeds and rushes

Base price

PoorFarmer wrote: »

I thought weed wiping was allowed????
I definitely see where you're coming from though. I put some of my poorer areas in as LIPP and its thoroughly overrun now with weeds and rushes

As per GLAS terms and conditions - weed wiping is only allowed for rushes.

Nekarsulm

Anyone know of spear thistles are a biennial weed?
Spent a couple of days last summer spot spraying them on LIPP fields, and got a very satisfying kill.
This year, you'd think I spent the time seeding them, field as bad as ever, if not worse...

kk.man

Spot spraying of all weeds are allowed.

Note.. No topping till 2nd July.. The 1st is inclusive.

Base price

kk.man wrote: »

Spot spraying of all weeds are allowed.

Note.. No topping till 2nd July.. The 1st is inclusive.

I'd be a very old woman if I managed to get around our LIPP plots and spot spray all the weeds.

You are correct in that we cannot top until midnight today - I nearly forgot that myself such was my excitement of hearing the disc mower revving up and seeing the feckin weeds fall in it's wake

Hard Knocks

Happy cutting/topping folks