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Aaarrgh.
No. You are comparing the captain score vs the triple captain score in the individual game week which is irelevant.
Your captain bonus ("B" in my original explanation) you are in competition with the rest of the worlds FPL players each week. How your captan does relative to theirs determines how your rank rises or falls.
In your example figures above a Payet captainer would gain 5 point on a Coutinho/Firmino/Pedro/Costa/Mata/Martial captainer in gw 37 and 11 points on a Lukaku captainer. They all got the same "B" points in GW33.
But in terms of the Lukaku TC GW33 guy they got their once only in a season "C" bonus of 20 in GW33. Someone who TCd Payet in 37 got 15 so loses by 5. Everyone who TCd anyone and got less than 20 loses to the GW33 guy who got 20.
You get 38 "B" scores and choose the player to give that bonus each week. So the possible scores are only the scores each gameweek therfore whether your normal captain is success or fail is relative to the other main captain scores in the gameweek. The cumulative total of your "B" scores relative to everyone else over a season is also relevant.
But you only get one TC and one "C" score in the season and the range of players you have to choose from to determine that score is every single scoring premier league players score every week of the entire season! So all that is relevant regarding your Triple Captain or "C" score in whether you picked a bigger scoring player in the entire season than everyone else.
People who TC'd Aguero vs Newcastle are winning so far.
I'm trying my best to explain this and I am sure there is no flaw in the logic!!
Your correct. Tbh the outcome is irrelevant you pick the player who is likely to get you the highest score from the remaining weeks to suit your circumstances. The higher the score u get the better you are competing with yourself not some random person and compare your tc score to the score your captain got in the alternative week you could have tc. It comes down to for example lukaku 33 against payet 37 for those bb in 34.You tc who you think will get the highest score as you get a normal capt score for the other player in the other week. It doesn't matter who somebody else picks as you didn't pick him. Take two scenarios Gw33 lukaku 15 pts Gw 37 whoever you captain 12 pts. If you tc in 33 you get 15x3+12x2 = 69pts. If you tc in 37 you get 15x2+ 12x3 =66 pts. You are 3 pts better off by doing it in gw 33 and thats all that matters it doesnt matter what anybody else does as that is the choice you made.0 -
The pb is you kinda "integrate" a one week A, B & C values over the whole season. This is "absolutely" correct. But could be "relatively" wrong in my view.In your example figures above a Payet captainer would gain 5 point on a Coutinho/Firmino/Pedro/Costa/Mata/Martial captainer in gw 37 and 11 points on a Lukaku captainer. They all got the same "B" points in GW33.
But in terms of the Lukaku TC GW33 guy they got their once only in a season "C" bonus of 20 in GW33. Someone who TCd Payet in 37 got 15 so loses by 5. Everyone who TCd anyone and got less than 20 loses to the GW33 guy who got 20.
I think, isolating the TC bonus like you do is an incomplete and/or ideal and/or "absolute" view of it. But to me this game is all about "relative values" not "absolute values". I think that's where we "mathematically" disagree. I don't know if I explain this well. On paper I fully agree with your reasoning. But, in practice, that is when I compare my actual FPL outcomes with other players, it almost never works because we don't own the same players at the same time.
Let's say you and I have the exact same team for the whole season, bar GW37. In 37 you get Coutinho & Lanzini. I get Payet & Milner. Let's say Lanzini & Milner score the same. And in 38 our different players score the same again. Let's also assume we BB & AOA the same GW (which is not 37) and we always captain the same players bar GW33 you TC Lukaku (I just (C) him) and 37 I TC Payet, you (C) Coutinho.
Or to make it more realistic let's say we did not make all these same choices neither had the same team but ended up on the exact same amount of pts (*) and our season comes down to your Lukaku TC vs my Lukaku (C) in 33 and my Payet TC vs your Coutinho (C) in 37.
With the previous figures. Lukaku 20 pts in 33. Coutinho 10 pts in 37, Payet 15 pts in 37.
GW33: you get 60 pts from Lukaku. I only get 40. You gain 20 pts on me.
GW37: you get 20 pts from Coutinho. I get 45 pts from Payet. I gain 25 pts on you.
Your TC was "absolutely" 5 pts better than mine. But "relatively" I'll finish the season 5 pts ahead of you because I "relatively" gained more from my TC GW.
I think this "case study" was what lougal had in mind in his example.
But you're not playing the game alone and comparing your outcome with what it could have been had you better theoretically used your chips and made your choices. You're competing against 3.7m randomers! And in mini-leagues, you're competing against real opponents and I don't understand how you can say their choices don't matter at all.Iused2likebusts wrote: »[...]you are competing with yourself not some random person and compare your tc score to the score your captain got in the alternative week you could have tc. [...]. It doesn't matter who somebody else picks as you didn't pick him.
My point is not to make a "rule" of the above example but I always found that your theoretical ("bustian" should become an FPL adjective
) view of the game is incomplete and/or idealistic.
(*) To give my above example even more context, 2 seasons ago I battled for the whole season with a friend of mine to eventually win our mini-league by 7 pts. For the sake of my obsessive demonstration, let's say I won by 4 pts instead. We had a similar enough team for the whole season. The difference was a couple of (C) choices and a few differentials. So, if I apply our situaton then to my example with FHFC, my "5 relative pts gain" over him from our TC choice gave me top spot despite a lower absolute TC return.0 -
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The pb is you kinda "integrate" a one week A, B & C values over the whole season. This is "absolutely" correct. But could be "relatively" wrong in my view.
I think, isolating the TC bonus like you do is an incomplete and/or ideal and/or "absolute" view of it. But to me this game is all about "relative values" not "absolute values". I think that's where we "mathematically" disagree. I don't know if I explain this well. On paper I fully agree with your reasoning. But, in practice, that is when I compare my actual FPL outcomes with other players, it almost never works because we don't own the same players at the same time.
Let's say you and I have the exact same team for the whole season, bar GW37. In 37 you get Coutinho & Lanzini. I get Payet & Milner. Let's say Lanzini & Milner score the same. And in 38 our different players score the same again. Let's also assume we BB & AOA the same GW (which is not 37) and we always captain the same players bar GW33 you TC Lukaku (I just (C) him) and 37 I TC Payet, you (C) Coutinho.
Or to make it more realistic let's say we did not make all these same choices neither had the same team but ended up on the exact same amount of pts (*) and our season comes down to your Lukaku TC vs my Lukaku (C) in 33 and my Payet TC vs your Coutinho (C) in 37.
With the previous figures. Lukaku 20 pts in 33. Coutinho 10 pts in 37, Payet 15 pts in 37.
GW33: you get 60 pts from Lukaku. I only get 40. You gain 20 pts on me.
GW37: you get 20 pts from Coutinho. I get 45 pts from Payet. I gain 25 pts on you.
Your TC was "absolutely" 5 pts better than mine. But "relatively" I'll finish the season 5 pts ahead of you because I "relatively" gained more from my TC GW.
I think this "case study" was what lougal had in mind in his example.
But you're not playing the game alone and comparing your outcome with what it could have been had you better theoretically used your chips and made your choices. You're competing against 3.7m randomers! And in mini-leagues, you're competing against real opponents and I don't understand how you can say their choices don't matter at all.
My point is not to make a "rule" of the above example but I always found that your theoretical ("bustian" should become an FPL adjective) view of the game is incomplete and/or idealistic.
(*) To give my above example even more context, 2 seasons ago I battled for the whole season with a friend of mine to eventually win our mini-league by 7 pts. For the sake of my obsessive demonstration, let's say I won by 4 pts instead. We had a similar enough team for the whole season. The difference was a couple of (C) choices and a few differentials. So, if I apply our situaton then to my example with FHFC, my "5 relative pts gain" over him from our TC choice gave me top spot despite a lower absolute TC return.
Their choices don't matter because I can't control their choices I can only control what I do. Of course I prefer if others choices don't work out but there is nothing I can do about it. You try and maximize your overall score and the best way of doing that is by putting tc on the player you think will score the most points in the game week you think it will get you most points. In your example FHFC is still going to captain Coutinho over Payet so thats irrelevant.0 -
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So what are ye telling me to do now cos I'm lostIused2likebusts wrote: »Their choices don't matter because I can't control their choices I can only control what I do. Of course I prefer if others choices don't work out but there is nothing I can do about it. You try and maximize your overall score and the best way of doing that is by putting tc on the player you think will score the most points in the game week you think it will get you most points.
Lukaku 33 or Sanchez /Aguero 34
I won't be holding till 37 as God knows what will happen at that stage of season0 -
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Don't forget you'll captain Coutinho in 37The way its shaping up re the triple captain bonus points (i.e. 1 x the score of your selected triple captain) is that the main gains or loss will depend on who scores most of Lukaku in 33, Sanchez in 34 or Payet in 37. :pac:.
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Anyway to be back on topic, it'll be a forced normal Lukaku (C) for me this week (since I'm on WC). But as I said soewhere else, I feel it could have been the perfect GW for my AOA. Ah well can't use that either.0 -
Don't forget you'll captain Coutinho in 37 :pac:.
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Anyway to be back on topic, it'll be a forced normal Lukaku (C) for me this week (since I'm on WC). But as I said soewhere else, I feel it could have been the perfect GW for my AOA. Ah well can't use that either.
I think I will in fact TC Lukaku this week because:- It doesnt matter nearly as much as we think.
- I want rid of the stupid chip
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