Indo article about experience with Hungarian dental clinic

Hillmanhunter1

Worthwhile article by Ed Finn about his experiences in going to Hungary for dental treatment:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/europe/city-of-smiles-how-dental-central-budapest-saved-me-17500-34565772.html

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Worthwhile article by Ed Finn about his experiences in going to Hungary for dental treatment:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/europe/city-of-smiles-how-dental-central-budapest-saved-me-17500-34565772.html

It's an ad placed by Mary Flanagan (agent) to drum up business, there was another one last week and ads on TV over weekend.

Why don't you put an article in about your own treatment/experience "My treatment failed after two years, I had to go back and pay again, but I didn't mind"?

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

It's an ad placed by Mary Flanagan (agent) to drum up business, there was another one last week and ads on TV over weekend.

How do you know its an ad? It just looks like a regular article.

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

How do you know its an ad? It just looks like a regular article.

It's the same article reproduced each time with a different name, 24 crowns?

Mary Flanagan, the Irish agent for Kreativ actually wrote a whole story and posted it on here under a different name, asking people to PM here for details, she didn't tell the readers that she gains financially from everyone she signs up for treatment. Also on her Facebook page, she lifted before and after photos from the website of an Irish dentist who contributes to this forum, and made up a whole back story and claimed the treatment was done in Hungary.

Google "Tibor dental" and "Borbath dentist high court" if you want the reality of Irish patients treated abroad.

http://www.dentalcouncil.ie/files/Dr Csaba Borbath - Erasure - 15 Feb 2016.pdf

groovyg

It cropped up on my fb newsfeed earlier, one poster put up the following article in the comments http://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/health-features/the-high-cost-of-cutprice-dentistry-30354219.html and Mary Flanagan responded with the following

Mary Flanagan Hi Joe, please read this article..., not all clinics abroad are similiar,as not all clinics in Ireland are similiar.., AT A RECENT DENTAL SUMMIT IN LONDON, KREATIV DENTAL CLINIC HAS BEEN VOTED THE BEST DENTAL CLINIC IN EUROPE AND 2ND WORLDWIDE..., A CLINIC IN MAYALASIA BEAT US.., Best Regards..., Mary

I can't believe people gamble like this especially with their teeth, complete madness.

helimachoptor

groovyg wrote: »

It cropped up on my fb newsfeed earlier, one poster put up the following article in the comments http://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/health-features/the-high-cost-of-cutprice-dentistry-30354219.html and Mary Flanagan responded with the following



I can't believe people gamble like this especially with their teeth, complete madness.

iirc, i think Kreativ were one of the sponsors of the awards..

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

It's the same article reproduced each time with a different name, 24 crowns?

Mary Flanagan, the Irish agent for Kreativ actually wrote a whole story and posted it on here under a different name, asking people to PM here for details, she didn't tell the readers that she gains financially from everyone she signs up for treatment. Also on her Facebook page, she lifted before and after photos from the website of an Irish dentist who contributes to this forum, and made up a whole back story and claimed the treatment was done in Hungary.

Google "Tibor dental" and "Borbath dentist high court" if you want the reality of Irish patients treated abroad.

http://www.dentalcouncil.ie/files/Dr%20Csaba%20Borbath%20-%20Erasure%20-%2015%20Feb%202016.pdf

Ed Finn is, as far as I know, a reputable freelance journalist. Are you suggesting that the facts of this article are fabricated?

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

It's the same article reproduced each time with a different name, 24 crowns?

Ive done a bit of as search there and I cant find the same article produced at all.

Do you have links to the different versions of it?

Im just curious to know how I would recognise by reading that article that its actually an advertisement. Im not seeing it.

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

Ive done a bit of as search there and I cant find the same article produced at all.

Do you have links to the different versions of it?

Im just curious to know how I would recognise by reading that article that its actually an advertisement. Im not seeing it.

I haven't read the article but they are always the same, is there a box with "things to do in Budapest" and a list of hotels/flights, the type of stuff a patient wouldn't write but a advertiser would.

The articles appear every couple of months and coincide with TV ads, there were a few on over the weekend, one I think at half time of Irish match.

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Ed Finn is, as far as I know, a reputable freelance journalist. Are you suggesting that the facts of this article are fabricated?

I haven't a clue who Ed Finn is, the articles at the same, outline treatment, advertise clinic, a piece by Mary Flanagan, a bit advertising hotels and the flights.

I haven't read this article, was it in th main paper or was it in the weekend/travel/ad section where these usually are?

Edit: I've just read it, in the "Travel" section, I would have thought that a serious article would be in the Health or Consumer section, I hate to break it to you, but articles in the Travel section advertise travel.

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

I haven't read the article but they are always the same, is there a box with "things to do in Budapest" and a list of hotels/flights, the type of stuff a patient wouldn't write but a advertiser would.

Well its not really any different to any of their travel articles, a bit about the city and things to do, flight info etc... Just that this article is specifically about dental tourism.

They do mention Kreativ but also tell where you can find other clinics to choose from.

If you havent even read it I feel a bit like Im reading it to you here!

You still havent answered my question though, despite me asking it twice - how would one know that this is an advertisement rather than just an article.

Nor have you provided links to any of the other ones you keep saying are the same?

groovyg

He had his whole mouth reconstruction done at Kreativ dental which he mentions at the bottom of the article - I think its pretty clear he is advertising the services of kreativ dental clinic.
24 crowns though and he calls it a dental holiday!:eek:

intheclouds

groovyg wrote: »

He had his whole mouth reconstruction done at Kreativ dental which he mentions at the bottom of the article - I think its pretty clear he is advertising the services of kreativ dental clinic.
24 crowns though and he calls it a dental holiday!:eek:

Im not saying he isnt advertising it. Im asking how the poster knows that it is a paid for advertisement. They also mention Aerlingus, Ryanair and Danubius hotels - so are they part of the advertisement as well?

The poster seems to have a lot of detail and is making very solid assertions, yet hasnt produced any proof about it.

Maybe all articles written by the Irish Times are paid for advertisements, I dont know.

But if you say its a paid for advertisement and the same article as lots of others just with the name changed then Id like to see links.

Its hardly too much to ask someone to back up what they are saying?

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

Well its not really any different to any of their travel articles, a bit about the city and things to do, flight info etc... Just that this article is specifically about dental tourism.

They do mention Kreativ but also tell where you can find other clinics to choose from.

If you havent even read it I feel a bit like Im reading it to you here!

You still havent answered my question though, despite me asking it twice - how would one know that this is an advertisement rather than just an article.

Nor have you provided links to any of the other ones you keep saying are the same?

How do I know it's an advertisement? Because it is advertising a particular clinic, and the agent for that Clinic, Mary Flanagan writes a paragraph advertising Kreativ, and it's in the Travel section rather than in the health/consumer/main editorial part of paper. C'mon, did you think Krativ were that lucky to have a journo write about them in the Tavel section?

Do your own research about previous articles or better still, go on Facebook and ask Mary to email you previous media articles.

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

How do I know it's an advertisement? Because it is advertising a particular clinic, and the agent for that Clinic, Mary Flanagan writes a paragraph advertising Kreativ, and it's in the Travel section rather than in the health/consumer/main editorial part of paper. C'mon, did you think Krativ were that lucky to have a journo write about them in the Tavel section?

I am asking how you know all of the above though?

I dunno if the clinic were lucky enough to have a journo write about them, I see lots of articles by journalists that discuss consumer or health items, I dont know who pays for what?

davo10 wrote: »

Do your own research about previous articles or better still, go on Facebook and ask Mary to email you previous media articles.

I did do research, and I didnt find any articles.

However, as you are the one who made the assertion, you are the one who should be able to back it up.

If you cant, then Ill just assume its a normal article like any other.

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

I am asking how you know all of the above though?

I dunno if the clinic were lucky enough to have a journo write about them, I see lots of articles by journalists that discuss consumer or health items, I dont know who pays for what?



I did do research, and I didnt find any articles.

However, as you are the one who made the assertion, you are the one who should be able to back it up.

If you cant, then Ill just assume its a normal article like any other.

How many articles on health appear in the Travel section?

I've just been PM'd that the link above is not the full article which appeared in the Indo at the weekend, there was another part advertising the Clinic written by Mary Flanagan on the page with this article. That is how this works. It is a normal article like any other, advertising travel and a particular dental clinic.

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

How many articles on health appear in the Travel section?

I've just been PM'd that the link above is not the full article which appeared in the Indo at the weekend, there was another part advertising the Clinic written by Mary Flanagan on the page with this article. That is how this works. It is a normal article like any other, advertising travel and a particular dental clinic.

I dont know - I cant say I keep a tally of articles written in the Travel section?

Ah, so youve been making a case about something that doesnt appear in the linked article at all. No wonder Ive been confused.

Can you see how any ordinary individual like myself would look at that linked article and wonder where you were coming up with all your detailed assertions?

It never hurts to ask someone to back their assertions.

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

I dont know - I cant say I keep a tally of articles written in the Travel section?

Ah, so youve been making a case about something that doesnt appear in the linked article at all. No wonder Ive been confused.

Can you see how any ordinary individual like myself would look at that linked article and wonder where you were coming up with all your detailed assertions?

It never hurts to ask someone to back their assertions.

Sorry for delay in getting back to you, off hand I can remember the snooker player Ken Doherty having an article in the paper about treatment abroad (Kreativ) Mary and Kreativ were advertised along side it, also there was an article about Amanda Brunker (not certain but it was one of the z listers) who had treatment abroad (Kreativ) Mary and Kreativ were advertised along side it, pretty much the same articles as Ed/Mary/Kreativ.

intheclouds

And are these people actually getting the treatment or just saying they did?

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

I haven't read the article but they are always the same, is there a box with "things to do in Budapest" and a list of hotels/flights, the type of stuff a patient wouldn't write but a advertiser would.

The articles appear every couple of months and coincide with TV ads, there were a few on over the weekend, one I think at half time of Irish match.

From 5000km away you still can't mistake the sound of furious back-peddling!!!

"I haven't read the article" - Pull the other one, there's bells on it

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

From 5000km away you still can't mistake the sound of furious back-peddling!!!

"I haven't read the article" - Pull the other one, there's bells on it

I hadn't read anything until you posted the link (thank you, I always enjoy our banter, particularly when you deny having to have the treatment redone even though you posted about the 10 days you had to spend there a few years later, and had to pay, on another thread).
I still haven't read the newspaper article, I didn't get the Indo on Saturday, but I have been told that the link you provided is only part of the article which appeared on that newspaper page. The rest was the usual from Mary advertising/about Kreativ, which is kinda coincidental as the writer had the treatment where? Yip Kreativ.

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

And are these people actually getting the treatment or just saying they did?

They felt compelled to write articles about how good their treatment was, accompanied of course with ads for the clinic/flight details/hotels etc. Effectively these are testimonials placed in the papers by Kreativ to encourage business, Mary always has her number where patients can contact her.

If you read the articles in the media about the dispute between Vogue Williams and Seapoint Dental, what you learn is that she received a discount on her treatment in return for writing a few articles/blogs/tweets about how happy she was. Of course it went pear shaped and the arrangement was laid bare.

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

They felt compelled to write articles about how good their treatment was, accompanied of course with ads for the clinic/flight details/hotels etc. Effectively these are testimonials placed in the papers by Kreativ to encourage business, Mary always has her number where patients can contact her.

So you think they did get the treatment? What do you mean they felt compelled, I thought you said it was an advertisement?

Plenty of businesses have testimonials on their websites, it's not really that unusual is it?

And from what you are saying every article in the travel section is an advertisement so that's not really too unusual either.

Is there something wrong with advertising for business? I often hear ads on the radio for plastic surgery, hair restoration, even (bizarrely) baby ear piercing! I don't see a problem with it myself.

Vogue williams, that wasn't dental tourism though, that was a Dublin clinic wasn't it?

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

So you think they did get the treatment? What do you mean they felt compelled, I thought you said it was an advertisement?

Plenty of businesses have testimonials on their websites, it's not really that unusual is it?

And from what you are saying every article in the travel section is an advertisement so that's not really too unusual either.

Is there something wrong with advertising for business? I often hear ads on the radio for plastic surgery, hair restoration, even (bizarrely) baby ear piercing! I don't see a problem with it myself.

There is nothing at all wrong with advertising, I never said there was. In fact there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with that article, it's good advertising. But that is what it is, an ad, if it was not an advertisement it would have been in the health or consumer section and it wouldn't have a large additional piece written by the Irish agent advertising the clinic.

intheclouds

So what's the issue then?

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

So what's the issue then?

There isn't one, you asked "How do you know it's an ad, it looks like a regular article" and I replied. The link provided by the op is only part of what appeared on the paper page. Simples.

groovyg

intheclouds wrote: »

So what's the issue then?

After reading this thread earlier Kreativ come across as really shady
Mary flanagan posted up as OConnom posing as someone who got dental treatment when in fact she was promoting the clinic she works for

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627&page=7

Later in that thread the moderator posted up photos that were on Kreativ web site that had been taken from their website, one photo was that of their mother

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627&page=8

The owner of Kreativ has been responding to any negative comments posed on FB under that article as well.

If it's too good to be true it usually is..

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

There isn't one, you asked "How do you know it's an ad, it looks like a regular article" and I replied. The link provided by the op is only part of what appeared on the paper page. Simples.

Good stuff.

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

Good stuff.

Thank you. The other articles were by Maura Durrane, Lisa Murphy and Ken Doherty. You can draw your own conclusion.

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

I hadn't read anything until you posted the link (thank you, I always enjoy our banter, particularly when you deny having to have the treatment redone even though you posted about the 10 days you had to spend there a few years later, and had to pay, on another thread).
I still haven't read the newspaper article, I didn't get the Indo on Saturday, but I have been told that the link you provided is only part of the article which appeared on that newspaper page. The rest was the usual from Mary advertising/about Kreativ, which is kinda coincidental as the writer had the treatment where? Yip Kreativ.

This is one of those delicious "hoisted by his own petard" situations.

Either you had read the link when you posted "It's the same article reproduced each time with a different name" and you are spoofing when you now say that you hadn't,
or
You never read the link but you spoofed about knowing what the article was about.

Either way, the common theme is spoofing!

intheclouds

groovyg wrote: »

After reading this thread earlier Kreativ come across as really shady
Mary flanagan posted up as OConnom posing as someone who got dental treatment when in fact she was promoting the clinic she works for

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627&page=7

Later in that thread the moderator posted up photos that were on Kreativ web site that had been taken from their website, one photo was that of their mother

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056526627&page=8

The owner of Kreativ has been responding to any negative comments posed on FB under that article as well.

If it's too good to be true it usually is..

Lol that's pretty funny.

Yer woman has great teeth in her FB profile mind you, good ad for the place.

Oral Surgeon

intheclouds wrote: »

Lol that's pretty funny.

Yer woman has great teeth in her FB profile mind you, good ad for the place.

No she doesn't, they look terrible!!!!!

Stheno

intheclouds wrote: »

Yer woman has great teeth crowns in her FB profile mind you, good ad for the place.

Naughty, did you not read the dental critique in the threads linked

intheclouds

Oral Surgeon wrote: »

No she doesn't, they look terrible!!!!!

Really? I suppose taste is subjective.

intheclouds

Stheno wrote: »

Naughty, did you not read the dental critique in the threads linked

Oh are you not allowed like them? Grand so. This is a strange place!

Stheno

intheclouds wrote: »

Oh are you not allowed like them? Grand so.

No I was just nitpicking

Edit, I just looked them up, that glow in the dark brightness wouldn't be to my taste

intheclouds

Stheno wrote: »

No I was just nitpicking

Edit, I just looked them up, that glow in the dark brightness wouldn't be to my taste

I realise now from the links posted that I am an innocent wanderer into a place where many previous back and forths seem to have occurred.

How was I to know that my seemingly normal question of "how do you know it's an advertisement?" was in fact the crow bar that pried open Pandora's box.

I can hear a strange grinding noise, and it isn't dental instruments!

Sorry folks, I'll leave ye to yer feud and make a mental note not to ask innocuous questions round here anymore!

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

This is one of those delicious "hoisted by his own petard" situations.

Either you had read the link when you posted "It's the same article reproduced each time with a different name" and you are spoofing when you now say that you hadn't,
or
You never read the link but you spoofed about knowing what the article was about.

Either way, the common theme is spoofing!

Ya see, that's the point I was making, it's the same article template each time. I didn't need to read it, and I hadn't when I posted that, but I knew what was going to be on the newspaper page. It'll be the same the next time it is in the paper, a patient testimonial with details about the Clinic written by Mary, advertising the Clinic. It's an ad placed by the Clinic, nothing wrong with it but it is promotional rather than being informative of for the public good which I suspect it was meant to be portrayed as.

emo72

Mad thread. The article is what I would describe as a "puff piece"? Just looking at my teeth in the mirror, Yid need an angle grinder to clean them up.

davo10

intheclouds wrote: »

I realise now from the links posted that I am an innocent wanderer into a place where many previous back and forths seem to have occurred.

How was I to know that my seemingly normal question of "how do you know it's an advertisement?" was in fact the crow bar that pried open Pandora's box.

I can hear a strange grinding noise, and it isn't dental instruments!

Sorry folks, I'll leave ye to yer feud and make a mental note not to ask innocuous questions round here anymore!

Ask away, I suppose what peaked my attention was that these types of articles are written to appear to be informative or to be for the public good, but in effect they are just drop in ads in the Travel section for a dental clinic, if I saw the same article written by someone attending an Irish clinic (that was my reference to Vogue Williams) I would be of the same opinion. I don't know the guy who wrote this article, I don't know what he gains (if anything) from it, but I know Vougue Wiliams was receiving her treatment free in return for using her profile in the media to advertise th Clinic involved.

intheclouds

davo10 wrote: »

Ask away, I suppose what peaked my attention was that these types of articles are written to appear to be informative or to be for the public good, but in effect they are just drop in ads in the Travel section for a dental clinic, if I saw the same article written by someone attending an Irish clinic (that was my reference to Vogue Williams) I would be of the same opinion. I don't know the guy who wrote this article, I don't know what he gains (if anything) from it, but I know Vougue Wiliams was receiving her treatment free in return for using her profile in the media to advertise th Clinic involved.

I'm just backing.....away.....slowly...... (from this forum).....

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

Ya see, that's the point I was making, it's the same article template each time. I didn't need to read it, and I hadn't when I posted that, but I knew what was going to be on the newspaper page. It'll be the same the next time it is in the paper, a patient testimonial with details about the Clinic written by Mary, advertising the Clinic. It's an ad placed by the Clinic, nothing wrong with it but it is promotional rather than being informative of for the public good which I suspect it was meant to be portrayed as.

Let me ask you the same question again. Are you suggesting that the facts of this article, being an account of Mr Finn's experiences of dental tourism, are fabricated?

It may run counter to your instincts, but do try not to spoof.

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Let me ask you the same question again. Are you suggesting that the facts of this article, being an account of Mr Finn's experiences of dental tourism, are fabricated?

It may run counter to your instincts, but do try not to spoof.

I don't know Ed Finn, I don't know what treatment he has had, I don't know if it will fail like yours nor whether he will have to spend 10 days back there again a couple of years later having it redone, nor whether like you, he would have to pay again. The treatment is not the pivotal point of this discussion, it is whether the article is just an advertisement piece placed in the Travel section with the intention of advertising the Clinic rather than being about travel/health.

Hillmanhunter1

davo10 wrote: »

I don't know Ed Finn, I don't know what treatment he has had, I don't know if it will fail like yours nor whether he will have to spend 10 days back there again a couple of years later having it redone, nor whether like you, he would have to pay again. The treatment is not the pivotal point of this discussion, it is whether the article is just an advertisement piece placed in the Travel section with the intention of advertising the Clinic rather than being about travel/health.

Sounds like spoofing to me!

davo10

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Sounds like spoofing to me!

You not understanding the obvious doesn't surprise me. You are the perfectly obvious example of the perils of getting treatment abroad, yet you don't realise or recognise it. To that Clinic, and indeed to anyone who wants to warn others of the risks involved, you are the gift that keeps on giving.

If you read back through the thread, it'll come to you.

Grab All Association

intheclouds wrote: »

How do you know its an ad? It just looks like a regular article.

Native advertising

Native advertising is a type of advertising, usually online but feasibly elsewhere, that matches the form and function of the platform upon which it appears. In many cases, it manifests as either an article or video, produced by an advertiser with the specific intent to promote a product, while matching the form and style which would otherwise be seen in the work of the platform's editorial staff. The word "native" refers to this coherence of the content with the other media that appears on the platform.

ohnonotgmail

intheclouds wrote: »

Lol that's pretty funny.

Yer woman has great teeth in her FB profile mind you, good ad for the place.

my grannys false teeth look as realistic as the teeth in that photo.

ohnonotgmail

davo10 wrote: »

It's the same article reproduced each time with a different name, 24 crowns?

Mary Flanagan, the Irish agent for Kreativ actually wrote a whole story and posted it on here under a different name, asking people to PM here for details, she didn't tell the readers that she gains financially from everyone she signs up for treatment. Also on her Facebook page, she lifted before and after photos from the website of an Irish dentist who contributes to this forum, and made up a whole back story and claimed the treatment was done in Hungary.

Google "Tibor dental" and "Borbath dentist high court" if you want the reality of Irish patients treated abroad.

http://www.dentalcouncil.ie/files/Dr%20Csaba%20Borbath%20-%20Erasure%20-%2015%20Feb%202016.pdf

would 24 crowns not be a little excessive?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Sometimes its hard to tell between news and advertising. Southpark dedicated an entire season to it recently. also the GDC issued some interesting guidelines recently http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057578904

High speed, hyper aggressive (yes 24 crowns is very aggressive treatment) complex dental treatment is never a great idea. These articles, and enthusiastic acolytes pop up every now and then as if this is something new. Every country has their dental tourism location. The Americans go to Mexico, the Germans go to poland. The polish go the ukraine. The issues are the same, the saving are the same.

Every country has great dentists, these great dentists are usually busy treating the local population, because it necessarily take a great deal of time, attention to detail, respect for healing times and long term maintenance to get a great result.

I think it is fair to judge these clinics that canvas for patients to fly in, and then importantly fly away afterwards, with some suspicion. How is it that they can do this all so quickly, so well and so cheaply?

I am going to copy a letter I received from a certain clinic in Hungary regarding an elderly husband and wife I saw whom both had 24 crowns each placed while on holidays and both who had serious issues which took a number of years to surface. They had spent retirement money having their teeth "fixed" reassured buy articles such as the above, and taken in by shills. Both cases done in the same clinic by different dentists. Both done over the course of 1 week. THe dentists will find the pictures interesting as technicially the work very poor in planning and execution.



I have not shared it before and have removed the names of all involved, but it goes to show the level of arrogance in these places in the face of their obvious negligence and downright unethical treatment of patients.

I did not take up the offer. I have also received offers to act as a referral for patients to go to these places if they cannot afford treatment locally, where I am given a percentage of their treatment spend. If the content of the letter is genuine then they are the worst of all possible types, the type that does not know they are unable to provide treatment, and doest know the difference between good and bad treatment. This same clinic has shills going on about "yes there are unethical operators out there, make sure they are properly qualified, all our operators are specialists....blah blah blah"

Dear Dr. ***fitzgeme***


Let me introduce myself to you: my name is ***** the owner of **** Dental and about 10-11 years ago I invented the so-called organized dental tourism in Europe which since then has become a multi-million Euro industry.

Recently, we have received dental reports made by you about two patients of ours, M***** and P******.
We all here in the clinic besides me, 6 Prosthodontists, 1 Endodontist, 1 Periodontist, 1 Oral Surgeon (he is an EU certified dental forensic expert), 1 Cat-Scan (cone beam) analyst, furthermore a Master Ceramist who is an official Vita demonstrator and a Master Technician with metal works, have carefully read your reports and as well we looked at your professionally-taken oral and x-ray images. After thoroughly going through your comments, we are fully convinced that you are an exceptionally highly trained dental professional, the like of which we can’t come across very often!
Therefore, herewith we truly and honestly would like to use the opportunity to invite you to our clinic at your earliest convenience to hold for us a live evaluation in our further education center about these two cases, to show what could have possibly gone wrong in the last 5 years and what we should possibly have done in a different way.
In the past, we have invited well-known dental experts to our clinic, such as Dr. professor *** the international expert of the Arcus Digma 2, (digital bite registration system) ***** the official demonstrator of E.MAX. You can find last year’s invited guests in the attachment.
We are all intending that this event should be a constructive one, where we can all improve our current dental knowledge.
The optimal scenario would be if you could come together with M****and P****, when they come back.
We are looking forward to see you here!


Sincerely, yours: *********

So there is two cases with documentary evidence to contradict the the one anecdyote advertorial above, written permissions to use their photographs was given by my patients. BTW at the time of that letter there was not 1 prosthodontist, working in that clinic

helimachoptor

I assume you took up the offer of a free holiday Fitz :pac:

Squiggle

Hillmanhunter1 wrote: »

Worthwhile article by Ed Finn about his experiences in going to Hungary for dental treatment:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/europe/city-of-smiles-how-dental-central-budapest-saved-me-17500-34565772.html

"A year later, I haven't had a single problem"

Which is the reason the article is not worthwhile.