Anyone know what this monstrosity is supposed to be?

zulutango

This has just appeared on Mallow Street and it's taking up half the footpath. Anyone know what it's supposed to be, or who is responsible for this kind of terrible street management?

Iang87

Advertising board I'd be guessing

Berty

It's either JC Decaux or Exterion.

zulutango

Who is responsible for this? Anyone know? You can't just come along and block a footpath with a big advertising hoarding. Or can you?

Zillah

Jaysus that's some obnoxious placing.

schemingbohemia

Maybe have a look in the planning files?
http://limerick-council-liv.sites.ac/council/search-planning-application

moleyv

As long as there is enough room for a wheelchair to pass it can be allowed. There is a specified measurement, I'm not certain of it.

If you want to complain, you could ask the planning section if it is their concern. Certain advertising and temporary signs will be handled by the Engineers office rather than planning.

Poxyshamrock

Eircom (or a subcontractor) have been removing phoneboxes in the last week or so. The above spot on Mallow Street was where the phoneboxes were until last week. They still seem to be working on all the sites where they used to be. Maybe we'll see these signs in a few places so.

panda100

moleyv wrote: »

As long as there is enough room for a wheelchair to pass it can be allowed. There is a specified measurement, I'm not certain of it.

I think there are serious accessibility concerns with this. I work with people with disabilities and we regularly do travel training with our clients to the station through Mallow Street. It is an unnecessary obstacle for visually impaired people as well as leaving a very small space for wheelchair users to pass by.

They obviously plomped it there to draw attention from drivers sitting in traffic without even thinking of the individuals whom actually use the pavements.

moleyv

panda100 wrote:

They obviously plomped it there to draw attention from drivers sitting in traffic without even thinking of the individuals whom actually use the pavements.

Yeah look you might know the measurement better than myself then, but I think its somewhere between 800mm to 1500mm. It has to be completely unobstructed and useable.

There are normally issues with street furniture for cafes etc. As part of street furniture licensing this would have to be measured etc, but normally the tables manage to get pushed out further and further.

Same with advertising boards etc outside shops.

I can't speak exactly about Limerick, but in general, local authorities are more reactive than pro active for these things. Nothing will happen without complaints.

wench

There were some terribly sited ones put in around Dublin when the bike scheme first launched.
Following complaints to the council, some were removed where they were blocking sight lines on approaches to junctions.

Thread on it here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055329822

FobleAsNuck

zulutango wrote: »

Who is responsible for this? Anyone know? You can't just come along and block a footpath with a big advertising hoarding. Or can you?

as long as there's an envelope in your hand

Vanquished

Aside from the sheer ugliness and ignorance of the LCD advertising screen! That photo is just a perfect illustration of all that is wrong with so many of the city streets. Ugly, tired, cracked, narrow footpaths. Unsightly, heavy, obtrusive cabling and archaic streetlighting poles.

We just have to do better!

Silentcorner

Is there any chance at all that this is an EVA installation? http://www.eva.ie/still-the-barbarians ....

zulutango

Silentcorner wrote: »

Is there any chance at all that this is an EVA installation? http://www.eva.ie/still-the-barbarians ....

I thought it might be that at first, simply because I thought it was too absurd to be anything else. But on closer inspection it looks quite like an advertising hoarding.

Then again, they say art is supposed to provoke a reaction, and this certainly does that, so maybe it is EV+A!

lazyman

There is one outside the old dunnes too

mgbgt1978

Is that one (outside Dunne's) on the site where the phonebox used to sit ?
If so I would guess we can expect to see another one at the William St. entrance to BT and outside the Main Door of Bank of Ireland on O'Connell St. where the phoneboxes were removed in the past few days.

phog

The old payphone kiosks had a electricity connection so it looks like these advertising pillars are using some of old the payphone locations. Makes sense, previous structure there so planning is easier get or might not be required and a power connection available.

zulutango

A friend of mine contacted the council and it turns out there was no planning permission for them and the council is going to have them taken down.

Jofspring

The one on sarsfield street outside dunnes has a new pay phone on one side of the sign. Maybe they thought leaving a phone in situ would circumvent the planning laws.

Poxyshamrock

Jofspring wrote: »

The one on sarsfield street outside dunnes has a new pay phone on one side of the sign. Maybe they thought leaving a phone in situ would circumvent the planning laws.

A new pay phone? Do they think people will use it? The last time I used one was in 2009 when my phone died! :pac:

Silentcorner

I'm sticking my head in the sand on this one...its art...has to be...no way anybody would try and pull off something as mad as this, digital advertising hoardings at eye level at traffic lights in busy motor and pedestrian junctions....no this art lads...if its not I'm going to start selling beers at traffic lights...

Soulcrew09

Good spot for an ambush/mugging. Stay well clear.

Jofspring

It looks at the moment to be advertising hoarding. It could even be one of those scrolling ones. Ya the phone on the opposite side is brand new.

Punkyblip

Nice bit of free advertising for Carol's Barber Shop and Mallow St Shoe Repairs in that pic

Special Circumstances

Does anyone else have an almost irresistible urge to throw a spirit level on it and line it up right??? I'm twitching here.

Soulcrew09

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Does anyone else have an almost irresistible urge to throw a spirit level on it and line it up right??? I'm twitching here.

Have the urge to throw a rock at it :pac:

MarkR

Between the advertising wall and the gates fro the shop, it's like an obstacle course. Probably no worse than when the phonebox was there, though?

zulutango

MarkR wrote: »

Between the advertising wall and the gates fro the shop, it's like an obstacle course. Probably no worse than when the phonebox was there, though?

The Mallow Street one extends quite a bit beyond where the phone box was. Arguably the phone box shouldn't have been there either, but given it was somewhat of a public utility in the past I can see a reason for having it at one time.

The one on Sarsfield Street doesn't encroach so much on the pedestrian thoroughfare. It's still ugly as hell though.

I think, in general, there's a perverse logic going on here that says that because a phone box was there then it's appropriate to put large advertising hoardings there. It's really a huge leap.

Comhrá

It'll look great when the taggers get to work on it with their aerosol cans.

Jofspring

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Does anyone else have an almost irresistible urge to throw a spirit level on it and line it up right??? I'm twitching here.

The one on sarsfield street also looks lopsided

zulutango

Bad news. It appears that the council planning department gave 'approval in principle' for these.

jonski

I saw that one on Mallow St. this morning, the photo doesn't do justice to just how out of place it looks and how much of an obstruction it's going to be . I wonder if when it was being talked about they said it would only be as wide as the phone kiosks but then in practise they turned it sideways .

Poxyshamrock

One outside Brown Thomas on William Street too where the phoneboxes were.

moleyv

Even though phone boxes had advertising, it was ancillary to the main function. These things are horrid.

In no way is it a similar replacement to what was originally there.

Also acceptable in principle from a planning perspective, does not mean what is on the ground is acceptable.

Xennon

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Does anyone else have an almost irresistible urge to throw a spirit level on it and line it up right??? I'm twitching here.

Thank F**k Im not alone!!

stefanovich

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

A new pay phone? Do they think people will use it? The last time I used one was in 2009 when my phone died! :pac:

Well then, handy for people in that situation at least. Minimum cost is 2 euros now though. I suppose you need a high price to justify their existence.

Is this digital signage?

Jofspring

Phone now removed from the one on Sarsfield Street.

burnsey1987

Jofspring wrote: »

Phone now removed from the one on Sarsfield Street.

I passed it a few hours ago and the phone is back.

Putting the phones in surely was a way of circumventing planning laws (as has already been suggested here in this thread). I reckon that the company who owns these has decided that the revenue generated from selling advertising space will more than cover the cost of maintaining the phone as well as the line rental fee (considering that it is still an Eircom line that it's connected to). Seriously, why would any company install a phone box anywhere in 2016 otherwise? Who do they think is going to use it? They stopped being relevant over ten years ago

Poxyshamrock

burnsey1987 wrote: »

I passed it a few hours ago and the phone is back.

Putting the phones in surely was a way of circumventing planning laws (as has already been suggested here in this thread). I reckon that the company who owns these has decided that the revenue generated from selling advertising space will more than cover the cost of maintaining the phone as well as the line rental fee (considering that it is still an Eircom line that it's connected to). Seriously, why would any company install a phone box anywhere in 2016 otherwise? Who do they think is going to use it? They stopped being relevant over ten years ago

I think you've hit the nail on the head. It seems BT are doing the same in the UK.

http://www.binfo.co.uk/2007/08/13/new-bt-phone-box/

They didn't go down too well over there either!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/migrationtemp/2813941/Locals-see-red-over-phone-boxes.html

washman3

Vanquished wrote: »

That photo is just a perfect illustration of all that is wrong with so many of the city streets. Ugly, tired, cracked, narrow footpaths. Unsightly, heavy, obtrusive cabling and archaic streetlighting poles.

We just have to do better!

Thought Willie O'Dea had all that sorted out....;)

Berty

Saw the new box by St Mary's credit union. Shouldn't be allowed to be so distracting near major junction like that. People need to be paying attention to the roads not adverts.

black & white

The whole structure is gone from Mallow St

highlydebased

black & white wrote:

The whole structure is gone from Mallow St

Just passed there and there's a few fellas in luminous vests looking at where it once stood

panda100

There's a telephone on the one outside Arthurs Quay now as well. Awful looking yokes.

zulutango

highlydebased wrote: »

Just passed there and there's a few fellas in luminous vests looking at where it once stood

What's likely happening here is the Council are trying to see how to make these work. I don't think they expected the backlash against them, but they're caught now because they've given a license for them so the only thing to do is to come up with a compromise solution. I'm not sure what the legal position would be in they rescinded the license. The Mallow Street sign was the most obnoxiously placed one so they may try and fix this and permit the others.

phill106

Looks like a great place for a mugger to lean against, waiting for someone likely to rob as they pass.

Jofspring

Between these signs going up, the €18m bridge that no one wants, some of the out of style houses that have been popping up in older estates and event management companies with no experience running major Limerick events, you'd have to wonder what is going on in the council. Money talks, nepotism, something else??

zulutango

Jofspring wrote: »

Between these signs going up, the €18m bridge that no one wants, some of the out of style houses that have been popping up in older estates and event management companies with no experience running major Limerick events, you'd have to wonder what is going on in the council. Money talks, nepotism, something else??

At some point the finger is going to be pointed at Conn Murray, the CEO, and questions will be asked as to what kind of show he is running. It's only a matter of time.

OfTheMarsWongs

One currently under construction on Athlunkard St. Spot outside the credit union where the phone box was.

adaminho

OfTheMarsWongs wrote: »

One currently under construction on Athlunkard St. Spot outside the credit union where the phone box was.

There's one on Lower Gerald Griffin Street beside the old Aib. Also



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