Fitness industry scam

tastyt

The whole fitness and nutrition industry is the biggest scam of our time.

Everywhere you look it's young fellas with protein shakers, people tracking their macros and gyms are full of people taking selfies for social media to document their gains or their flat stomachs.

A multi billion pounds industry constantly contradicting itself, skip breakfast/ never skip breakfast, high intensity bursts are best/steady state is easier on the body, juicing is great/ too much sugar in juice so eat the whole fruit.

The industry has never been bigger and people never more obsessed by themselves and their bodies fuelled by constantly posting images of themselves for other people to compliment.

All the while we have an obesity issue, it's time the government started taking a hands on approach and moving young people away from that nonsense and put a curriculum together for schools to teach vulnerable young people about cooking and a balanced diet, aswell as keeping active.

What happened to, within reason, eating what you like but less of it??

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#fitspo

Shenshen

People got soft, that's what happened.

All the fitness industry ever got out of me was money for a bicycle, a swimsuit and a pair of runners. But you have to put up with the Irish weather outdoors, so the weaklings retreat to the heated and dry safety of the gym and pool...

Penny Tration

I track my macros and calorie intake, and it is working very well.

I didn't pay a cent to do that, though. Am I being scammed?

Valetta

When there's fools, there will always be people to separate them from their money.

It's how most economies work.

Flint Fredstone

How is it a scam? Go to the gym and eat right and it will pay off.

It's the gym-**** with Facebook accounts that you should ignore.
Every gobshíte that lost a bit of weight is suddenly a personal trainer and nutritionist.

DrumSteve

Do you even lift, brah?

newacc2015

So people who care about what they eat and make sure they look after their fitness are all narcissists? They actually care about their appearance and take responsibility for their weight, what they eat etc. Yet you think they should be ridiculed?

Yet if someone is obese, they are just curvy, a 'real women' or have a 'thyroid issue' (they never do, they just eat poorly). You are saying the Government should have to get involved and tell these people what to eat/work out.

Do you not find it very hypocritical to mock people who are proactively looking after their health, yet saying the Government needs to basically help fat people? I cant understand why Ireland is probably one of the few countries in the world, where you mention going to the gym and people roll their eyes and insult you. It is sign as a bad thing to be considered with what you eat. Yet if you are fat, all by your own making and someone says anything about your weight. It is considered mean and cruel.

JPNelsforearm

Eat clen tren hard.

nkav86

Why is there a sudden need protein powder? Every person I know that has decided to eat better/get in shape has gone straight out to buy it, I thought eating correctly was the key? Maybe I just don't get it

irishguitarlad

For me it's just yet another way for people to look for individuality, in this ever increasingly soulless world of instant gratification people are not willing to develop themselves internally because it takes a lot more time and effort. Everyone is searching for individuality but very few know that it comes from the inside.

stoplooklisten

Some day those people on threadmills will realise they are going nowhere..

Ice Maiden

How is it a scam?

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newacc2015 wrote: »

So people who care about what they eat and make sure they look after their fitness are all narcissists? They actually care about their appearance and take responsibility for their weight, what they eat etc. Yet you think they should be ridiculed?

Yet if someone is obese, they are just curvy, a 'real women' or have a 'thyroid issue' (they never do, they just eat poorly). You are saying the Government should have to get involved and tell these people what to eat/work out.

Do you not find it very hypocritical to mock people who are proactively looking after their health, yet saying the Government needs to basically help fat people? I cant understand why Ireland is probably one of the few countries in the world, where you mention going to the gym and people roll their eyes and insult you. It is sign as a bad thing to be considered with what you eat. Yet if you are fat, all by your own making and someone says anything about your weight. It is considered mean and cruel.

With all due respect I have been very ill with hypothyroidism. My skin cracked, my hair was falling out, I needed a blood transfusion because it ****ed my iron levels so bad while it went untreated. I was depressed, always cold, couldn't bear any heat on me. My weight went up crazy fast despite me actually not eating very much, and it took a really long time on medication for me to feel like I could even function like a normal person. When I got sorted on the medication and acknowledged there was a problem, all that weight I couldn't explain started to just fall off me. And it was attitudes like yours that made me think hypothyroidism wasn't a real or serious thing, that I should be able to lose weight without excuses. It took many many many chats with my doctor to make me believe it wasn't just an excuse.

Don't belittle a serious illness you don't understand

stoplooklisten

nkav86 wrote: »

Why is there a sudden need protein powder? Every person I know that has decided to eat better/get in shape has gone straight out to buy it, I thought eating correctly was the key? Maybe I just don't get it

gains, got to get the gains*













*I may or may not have a clue what I'm talking about

b_mac2

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Eat clen tren hard.

@400mg per week

MightyMandarin

nkav86 wrote: »

Why is there a sudden need protein powder? Every person I know that has decided to eat better/get in shape has gone straight out to buy it, I thought eating correctly was the key? Maybe I just don't get it

There isn't a need, but it's an easy source of protein which is comparitively cheap. The problem is, the sort of people you mentioned there will make zero progress because the rest of their diet is likely **** with little to no other sources of protein and calories are either too low(for building muscle) or too high (for getting leaner).

stoplooklisten

I always laugh when I think of that guy on tallaghtforinia buying all the eggs

MightyMandarin

LexieOnRale wrote: »

With all due respect I have been very ill with hypothyroidism. My skin cracked, my hair was falling out, I needed a blood transfusion because it ****ed my iron levels so bad while it went untreated. I was depressed, always cold, couldn't bear any heat on me. My weight went up crazy fast despite me actually not eating very much, and it took a really long time on medication for me to feel like I could even function like a normal person. When I got sorted on the medication and acknowledged there was a problem, all that weight I couldn't explain started to just fall off me. And it was attitudes like yours that made me think hypothyroidism wasn't a real or serious thing, that I should be able to lose weight without excuses. It took many many many chats with my doctor to make me believe it wasn't just an excuse.

Don't belittle a serious illness you don't understand

I don't think the poster meant to offend you or people who actually have thyroid issues. But there are some people who will always use their slow metabolism as an excuse when it's their crap diet that's the real cause.

SEPT 23 1989

It's not for me but I wish them all the best

nkav86

MightyMandarin wrote:

There isn't a need, but it's an easy source of protein which is comparitively cheap. The problem is, the sort of people you mentioned there will make zero progress because the rest of their diet is likely **** with little to no other sources of protein and calories are either too low(for building muscle) or too high (for getting leaner).

Very true! I remember years ago I knew a guy that was extremely fit and healthy, he ate copious amounts of chicken breast (boiled), said it was part of his fitness routine or whatever, is it a way of cutting out the need for this type of eating? Do you need a f**kton of protein when working out and this is an easier alternative than constantly eating chicken? I don't know much about this kind of thing, I'm genuinely curious

JPNelsforearm

b_mac2 wrote: »

@400mg per week

Team 3cc

stoplooklisten

b_mac2 wrote: »

@400mg per week

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Team 3cc

What's this? Code for how heavily you are addicted?

lertsnim

What's a macro? In my day it was something that was done on a PC.

JPNelsforearm

stoplooklisten wrote: »

What's this? Code for how heavily you are addicted?

Do you even lift?

400mg was in reference to ones dosage of Tren a week if getting shredded was your goal

Team 3cc was a reference to a chap named Bostin Loyd who advocates heavy anabolic and growth usage, its his slogan,3cc is a measurement of the dosages that he uses, which works out at 3000 mgs, when most normal people would use 400mg..

Collie D

I go by the old adage..Eating healthy, exercise, counting calories, etc. may not help you live longer but it will certainly feel like it

stoplooklisten

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Do you even lift?

of course, bro, i was in the sports hall last night and I said to my trainer put on more weights, he said, there are no more :eek:

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

400mg was in reference to ones dosage of Tren a week if getting shredded was your goal

Team 3cc was a reference to a chap named Bostin Loyd who advocates heavy anabolic and growth usage, its his slogan,3cc is a measurement of the dosages that he uses, which works out at 3000 mgs, when most normal people would use 400mg..

Tren = Trenbolone Dosage?

https://www.steroidal.com/steroid-profiles/trenbolone/trenbolone-dosage/
because there low on Testosterone, I presume?

If they want to get shredded, would they not stick their hand in a blender?

RobertKK

I don't go to the gym, but I wear a fitbit watch, and I have a scales that gives my weight and a body fat % read out.
I recently bought a blood pressure monitor, and all these devices work with apps on my phone.
I make home made smoothies, I don't think juicing is good as you need more than the juice from a fruit or a vegetable, lots of good stuff in the pulp.
I do buy protein whey and also uses that in a smoothie. I use to drink nothing but tea, but now I drink a more varied range of stuff.

It is important to be fit, for health. So many diseases linked to being unfit, and I suspect everyone wants to be feeling good when they get old.
I agree with the OP that healthy lifestyles starting with food should be part of the school curriculum. People eating food that is not healthy, in the end leads to more people in hospital or being unwell and it has two effects.
One it has a person suffering from some medical issue, and two it costs taxpayers money if our hospitals are seeing the effects of an unhealthy lifestyle.

I had a friend who was very unfit, but I am so happy with him that he made an effort to become fit, and he is looking so much better now.
For most people it is about consciously thinking of what is good for them, thinking of the longer term consequences if they don't look after themselves, thinking of how you want to look, and avoiding how you don't want to look.

The fitness industry is big business, but if it is working for people, that is all that matters.

BlibBlab

Agree that something should be done in schools. Ideally make home ec compulsory and start it in primary school, drive home the message about eating a healthy, balanced diet. PE should be more than once a week too, ideally 3-5 times a week with participation expected, no 'I forgot my tracksuit' excuses and a range of different sports and activities done.

Richard Hillman

Yes, a thread after my heart.

I am finding it absurd that these health and fitness types get so much TV and Radio airtime. It also seems like everyone of the Assets Modelling alumni suddenly go into Food Blogging/Health Cooking books/nutrition when their modelling career ends. It has become a complete and utter bore at this stage.

Then we have the Operation Transformation and Niall Brezzy Breslin types. Lose weight, you won't be miserable anymore. Run the Brezzy Triathlon, no more depression for you. It is completely fraudulent despite the small print.

Joining a gym seems to be another cure for personal issues.

They would be easy to ignore if they were not investing the media so often and health fascism seems to have the ear of whatever the government of the day is.

RobertKK

nkav86 wrote: »

Why is there a sudden need protein powder? Every person I know that has decided to eat better/get in shape has gone straight out to buy it, I thought eating correctly was the key? Maybe I just don't get it

You can make nice drinks with them.

I get out the blender, put in some milk, a scoop of my chocolate whey protein, then some banana, spinach leaves and blueberries.
Then blend, and I have a really nice smoothie.

Whey protein is linked to a lot of positive health benefits. Probably one reason why the growth of it's use continues.

MilesMorales1

I've tried to calorie counting before, but I really can't be arsed, its more trouble than its worth for me.

JPNelsforearm

stoplooklisten wrote: »

of course, bro, i was in the sports hall last night and I said to my trainer put on more weights, he said, there are no more :eek:

Tren = Trenbolone Dosage?

https://www.steroidal.com/steroid-profiles/trenbolone/trenbolone-dosage/

because there low on Testosterone, I presume?

If they want to get shredded, would they not stick their hand in a blender?

Yes that is the latest cover story, "my endo says I have low test" etc..

meeeeh

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Yes, a thread after my heart.

I am finding it absurd that these health and fitness types get so much TV and Radio airtime. It also seems like everyone of the Assets Modelling alumni suddenly go into Food Blogging/Health Cooking books/nutrition when their modelling career ends. It has become a complete and utter bore at this stage.

Then we have the Operation Transformation and Niall Brezzy Breslin types. Lose weight, you won't be miserable anymore. Run the Brezzy Triathlon, no more depression for you. It is completely fraudulent despite the small print.

Joining a gym seems to be another cure for personal issues.

They would be easy to ignore if they were not investing the media so often and health fascism seems to have the ear of whatever the government of the day is.

100 times this. They are the new self help nonsense. Business problems - go for a run and you will be OK. Cancer - stop eating crabs and you will be fine. Tired - a bit of spinach will sort you out in no time. Oh and it's great to eat greens because photosynthesis in your stomach will get more oxygen into your blood.

There is nothing wrong being fit and healthy but when you start thinking a smoothie and a bit if exercise will solve all your problems then it's time to start exercising your brain too.

RobertKK

meeeeh wrote: »

100 times this. They are the new self help nonsense. Business problems - go for a run and you will be OK. Cancer - stop eating crabs and you will be fine. Tired - a bit of spinach will sort you out in no time. Oh and it's great to eat greens because photosynthesis in your stomach will get more oxygen into your blood.

There is nothing wrong being fit and healthy but when you start thinking a smoothie and a bit if exercise will solve all your problems then it's time to start exercising your brain too.

Every part of the body needs exercise.
I like smoothies but I make my own, because buying them is too expensive and a well made smoothie is so nice...

kjl

nkav86 wrote: »

Why is there a sudden need protein powder? Every person I know that has decided to eat better/get in shape has gone straight out to buy it, I thought eating correctly was the key? Maybe I just don't get it

When you are bulking, you need to consume large amounts of protein.

I am 210 pounds which means I need 210g of protein everyday. The drinks are just whey from milk, you're only meant have 1, maybe 2 a day and they are about 20g of protein.

I personally only use them just after the gym for convenience sake and I eat proper meat (chicken, turkey, fish) the rest of the time.

All part of our Operation Transformation quick fix lifestyle.

Buy a nutri bullet and drink kale smoothies, practice mindfulness, do 3 gym sessions a week etc. etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking people who go to the gym or eat kale at all, it's just the whole "I pay someone else to tell me how to do this", the whole industry, that makes me laugh. I guess if suckers want to be parted with their cash, it's their business.

Ice Maiden

I find exercise and healthy eating very beneficial - makes me sleep better, gives me more energy, makes my skin look better, my eyes look brighter, and definitely gives me a sense of wellbeing.
I don't know how it's a scam - isn't a scam being tricked into giving away your money? Surely people who spend money on fitness know what they're spending it on.

MightyMandarin

nkav86 wrote: »

Very true! I remember years ago I knew a guy that was extremely fit and healthy, he ate copious amounts of chicken breast (boiled), said it was part of his fitness routine or whatever, is it a way of cutting out the need for this type of eating? Do you need a f**kton of protein when working out and this is an easier alternative than constantly eating chicken? I don't know much about this kind of thing, I'm genuinely curious

It's just better. If I had the option of a protein shake or a chicken breast, I'd choose the chicken breast because it's less processed. That said, you could theoretically eat nothing but chocolate and protein shakes, and still look better as long as your calories were in check. It's just harder to do that than eating slower digesting carb sources.

Chicken is a source of protein, as are protein shakes, it doesn't matter if you eat your entire intake in one sitting (which would be very hard) or across the day, but as long as you get 0.8-1g per lb of bodyweight, you'll be grand.

strelok

what the hell is 'quick fix' about 3 gym sessions a week

meeeeh

Ice Maiden wrote: »

I find exercise and healthy eating very beneficial - makes me sleep better, gives me more energy, makes my skin look better, my eyes look brighter, and definitely gives me a sense of wellbeing.
I don't know how it's a scam - isn't a scam being tricked into giving away your money? Surely people who spend money on fitness know what they're spending it on.

Define healthy eating. Butter used to be ultimate evil, eggs were full of bad cholesterol and carbs were great. Now fats are great, carbs are evil and eating any other part of chicken but breast will make you fat. And at the same time over processed shakes with added sugar and sweeteners are magic potion.

People spend an enormous amounts of money on stuff that is supposed to be healthy without any critical evaluation. Smoothies are prime example, a lot of them are laced with sugar and usually just eating an apple would be way healthier. At the same time, as mentioned, every ex model is a healthy eating expert. Knowing how to pose doesn't make you a dietitian.

Ice Maiden

Healthy eating is limiting junkfood and sugar, and eating lots of vegetables.

Come on, people don't need to pretend to be that clueless.

meeeeh

Ice Maiden wrote: »

Healthy eating is limiting junkfood and sugar, and eating lots of vegetables.

Come on, people don't need to pretend to be that clueless.

Yeah that's what this thread is about. Sensible relaxed approach to eating and recreation.

they see me liftin they hatin

lol

hawkwind23

Healthy eating was when we had time to go to the shops and buy food and cook it.
Nowadays the message to get investment is that we have a workforce who do 60 hour weeks and ridicule anyone who works less.
We see no issue with dropping kids off at 6am at the minders before the 2 hour daily commute (consider how mental that is in a country the size of Ireland)
Society has changed so naturally our eating habits have changed.
I do blame the govt , they are the ones who give out planning permissions to the fast food joints and dictate working regulations

kneemos

No matter how beautiful you are we're all ugly on the inside.

Ruu

bluewolf wrote: »

they see me liftin they hatin

lol

Pshaw, wimmens don't lift heavy things.

ED E

Being overweight or obese is becoming more and more unfashionable. I'm delighted, its long over due. Not into fat shaming but telling 13yo kids with a BMI of 35 that they're "perfect and beautiful" is such an utter load of tripe.

If people are getting their act together then more power to them, its saving us fortunes in future HSE bills.

andekwarhola

irishguitarlad wrote: »

For me it's just yet another way for people to look for individuality, in this ever increasingly soulless world of instant gratification people are not willing to develop themselves internally because it takes a lot more time and effort. Everyone is searching for individuality but very few know that it comes from the inside.

You could make a few quid composing Tampax adverts.

Alf Stewart.

Haven't read the whole thread, but can I just chip in that I don't have the foggiest breeze of what the fug a macro is.

kneemos

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Haven't read the whole thread, but can I just chip in that I don't have the foggiest breeze of what the fug a macro is.

Second that.