The jealousy thread

LeinsterDub

Seen this http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0303/772316-new-york-subway/ though Jesus we'd have DU and MN for that price. Any one else got examples?

keane2097

Link is broken, correct one here I think...

http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0303/772316-new-york-subway/

Grandeeod

A different world lads. A different world altogether.:rolleyes:

LeinsterDub

Grandeeod wrote: »

A different world lads. A different world altogether.:rolleyes:

I know it's apples and oranges but here's another. 1bl pounds for a tunnel to run power cables? Sure why not

https://youtu.be/Mm5khEUIBx0

Grandeeod

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I know it's apples and oranges but here's another. 1bl pounds for a tunnel to run power cables? Sure why not

https://youtu.be/Mm5khEUIBx0

Ah I wouldn't say its as clear cut as apples and oranges. Money wise yes, but in contextual vision terms, no. Ireland really doesn't aspire to much when it comes to transport infrastructure.

1huge1

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I know it's apples and oranges but here's another. 1bl pounds for a tunnel to run power cables? Sure why not

https://youtu.be/Mm5khEUIBx0

That was actually fascinating. London really have no issue undertaking massive infrastructure projects.

MJohnston

Grandeeod wrote: »

Ah I wouldn't say its as clear cut as apples and oranges. Money wise yes, but in contextual vision terms, no. Ireland really doesn't aspire to much when it comes to transport infrastructure.

Nor does the USA really, that station is only like that because of what happened there.

afatbollix

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I know it's apples and oranges but here's another. 1bl pounds for a tunnel to run power cables? Sure why not

https://youtu.be/Mm5khEUIBx0

Dublin has also got a tunnel under the city for power lines which they built about 15 years ago. I think they were updating a sewer and built a power line tunnel at the same time.

Sam Russell

afatbollix wrote: »

Dublin has also got a tunnel under the city for power lines which they built about 15 years ago. I think they were updating a sewer and built a power line tunnel at the same time.

Pity they did not put a few railway lines in there while they were at it.

LeinsterDub

afatbollix wrote: »

Dublin has also got a tunnel under the city for power lines which they built about 15 years ago. I think they were updating a sewer and built a power line tunnel at the same time.

Any links?

Zebra3

Was informed last night about all the metro built in Sofia since the late 90s.

One of the poorest countries in Europe. Yet here, nothing.....:mad:

Grandeeod

Zebra3 wrote: »

Was informed last night about all the metro built in Sofia since the late 90s.

One of the poorest countries in Europe. Yet here, nothing.....:mad:

Ah yes. The Metropolitan. I was on it two years ago. Very impressive and in a city not much bigger than Dublin. I believe it serves the airport now.

afatbollix

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Any links?

https://www.engineersireland.ie/EngineersIreland/media/SiteMedia/groups/societies/heritage/Water,-Drainage,-People-and-Heritage.pdf?ext=.pdf

Page 13 its only 600m but Dublin isn't that big at the end of the day. I'm surprised I remembered this as I was 13 when it was built!

newacc2015

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Seen this http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0303/772316-new-york-subway/ though Jesus we'd have DU and MN for that price. Any one else got examples?

Everyone in NY and NJ is furious with it. It was supposed to cost $2bn but ended up costing $3.85bn. I imagine there was no opening ceremony for the simple reason it has cost them $3.85bn for a glorified subway station. Who wants to celebrate the opening of that?

I think Munich Subway is the best underground in the world. It has been built since the 1970s, is never overcrowded and the stations are incredible. Each station has a different theme. Buses and trams link perfectly with the passengers coming off the u-bahn

LeinsterDub

newacc2015 wrote: »

Everyone in NY and NJ is furious with it. It was supposed to cost $2bn but ended up costing $3.85bn. I imagine there was no opening ceremony for the simple reason it has cost them $3.85bn for a glorified subway station. Who wants to celebrate the opening of that?

I too look forward to the day we can all moan about our new over priced subway station

Sam Russell

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I too look forward to the day we can all moan about our new over priced subway station

Now that is jealousy!

Hotblack Desiato

Grandeeod wrote: »

Ireland really doesn't aspire to much when it comes to transport infrastructure.

Ireland really doesn't aspire to much when it comes to anything, really.

MJohnston

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Ireland really doesn't aspire to much when it comes to anything, really.

RichardoKhan

Schipol Trains underneath Airport.............always had a green eye for Dutch Civil Engineering. Also Interlocking roadstones on beds of sand so if you need to fix or add utilities you just lift the stones, lay the new kit or fix. Fill over with sand & the lay down the roard stones back where they come from.

spacetweek

Grandeeod wrote: »

Ah yes. The Metropolitan. I was on it two years ago. Very impressive and in a city not much bigger than Dublin. I believe it serves the airport now.

Yes. The only Eastern European capital with a rail link to the airport.

Muahahaha

:DMust agree that Schipols train station under the airport is impressive. Coming off a plane onto a train to the city centre is just so effortless, especially compared to the long treks you have in other airports.

I've also always admired Sydney's infrastructure. The harbour there is a major natural barrier between the north and south of the city but they've tamed the tundra to make transport keep people moving. They have an amazing mix of motorways, tunnels under the harbour, an extensive network of buses and underground railway and then a huge fleet of ferries on top. Plus they've got a monorail too, who wouldn't be jealous of that

random_guy

RichardoKhan wrote: »

Schipol Trains underneath Airport.............always had a green eye for Dutch Civil Engineering. Also Interlocking roadstones on beds of sand so if you need to fix or add utilities you just lift the stones, lay the new kit or fix. Fill over with sand & the lay down the roard stones back where they come from.

and architecture for that matter, there's some fantastic stuff there. Much ahead of their German cousins it must be said.

The long distance train connections are great though. Although pretty common. Frankfurt has it, Köln/Bonn, Leipzig (?), Berlin will have it if the damn thing ever gets finished, Stuttgart are currently building for new intercity services, I read recently that Munich got permission/funding (I can't remember which) for a new link that will probably allow intercity traffic.
Hell, little Riga and Tallin will have it as Rail Baltica progresses.

murphaph

RichardoKhan wrote: »

Also Interlocking roadstones on beds of sand so if you need to fix or add utilities you just lift the stones, lay the new kit or fix. Fill over with sand & the lay down the roard stones back where they come from.

This is done widely across Europe. I wonder why Ireland and the UK don't do the pavement laid on sand thing...perhaps the paving would be stolen?!

Sam Russell

murphaph wrote: »

This is done widely across Europe. I wonder why Ireland and the UK don't do the pavement laid on sand thing...perhaps the paving would be stolen?!

... or the sand.

afatbollix

With all the rain we get it would just wash away.

Hotblack Desiato

Muahahaha wrote: »

I've also always admired Sydney's infrastructure. The harbour there is a major natural barrier between the north and south of the city but they've tamed the tundra to make transport keep people moving. They have an amazing mix of motorways, tunnels under the harbour, an extensive network of buses and underground railway and then a huge fleet of ferries on top. Plus they've got a monorail too, who wouldn't be jealous of that

The tunnels are fairly heavily tolled though and some underused as a result, and the monorail has been dismantled.

McAlban

Copenhagen has a great rail link also with a mainline, with which you can also enter the swedish rail network via the Oresund bridge to Malmo and a driverless metro that they've built over the last few years and are continually expanding.

LeinsterDub

http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2016/0601/792467-gotthard-train/


11 BL and 70 years in the planning , hope for DU yet !

Sam Russell

LeinsterDub wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2016/0601/792467-gotthard-train/


11 BL and 70 years in the planning , hope for DU yet !

On the 70 years or the €11 billion?

snotboogie

newacc2015 wrote: »

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Seen this http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0303/772316-new-york-subway/ though Jesus we'd have DU and MN for that price. Any one else got examples?

Everyone in NY and NJ is furious with it. It was supposed to cost $2bn but ended up costing $3.85bn. I imagine there was no opening ceremony for the simple reason it has cost them $3.85bn for a glorified subway station. Who wants to celebrate the opening of that?

I think Munich Subway is the best underground in the world. It has been built since the 1970s, is never overcrowded and the stations are incredible. Each station has a different theme. Buses and trams link perfectly with the passengers coming off the u-bahn

I think Asia are way ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to infrastructure. Hong Kong, Singapore and Seoul are an absolute marvel to behold. Even Shanghai and Beijing, which are hugely overcrowded, are still spectacular achievements.

McAlban

LeinsterDub wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2016/0601/792467-gotthard-train/


11 BL and 70 years in the planning , hope for DU yet !

Getting freight from Domodosalla (IT) into the Swiss network is a nightmare and way overcrowded, Hangartner (Now DB Schenker) were way over capacity on this route as the Italians ban HGV's from the road tunnels at the weekends and even some weeks during the summer. It is a huge step for rail freight out of Italy and reduce the heavy loads on the Alps passes during the week.

snotboogie wrote: »

I think Asia are way ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to infrastructure. Hong Kong, Singapore and Seoul are an absolute marvel to behold. Even Shanghai and Beijing, which are hugely overcrowded, are still spectacular achievements.

They take a long term view of infrastructure and build quickly, unlike here were they take a long term time to decide on infrastructure and even longer to build.

Sam Russell

McAlban wrote: »

They take a long term view of infrastructure and build quickly, unlike here were they take a long term time to decide on infrastructure and even longer to build.

Here were they take a long time to decide on infrastructure and even longer to fail to build.

Just look at the children's hospital, the DU and MN, M20, and how long Tallaght Hospital was an election promise.

LeinsterDub

Sam Russell wrote: »

On the 70 years or the €11 billion?

At this stage the 11bl. We've talking about DU since the 70s

Muahahaha

Was in Dusseldorf a few weeks ago. Pedestrian crossings there don't have buttons, they somehow sense you and after maybe 5 seconds you get a green man. Totally jealous of that, the ped crossing near where I live takes about a minute to change to green, by which point most people have already crossed the road and there's a line of traffic sitting at a red for no reason!

I'm also jealous of countries that allow cars to wait for pedestrians to cross the zebra before doing a left turn. Its such a simple and efficient process for both for the walker and the driver

L1011

After dealing with Dublin airport on probably it's busiest day/weekend of year I thought it was having trouble coping. Then I landed at Manchester on a bog normal weekend (no bank holiday and the schools are in).

We definitely do public owned airports better than our near neighbour...

MJohnston

I've been in a lot of airports and think DUB is one of the best *when talking purely about the airport itself*. The connective infrastructure needs a lot of work, but especially T2 is calm, relatively quiet, and well designed.

McAlban

L1011 wrote: »

After dealing with Dublin airport on probably it's busiest day/weekend of year I thought it was having trouble coping. Then I landed at Manchester on a bog normal weekend (no bank holiday and the schools are in).

We definitely do public owned airports better than our near neighbour...

Yeah, it's not a great Airport, but it does have a rail link to the City.

L1011

Birmingham today is rather better than Manchester yesterday - it's privatised though. MAN has three small, worn out terminals and everything in them below needed capacity

thereitisgone

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Grandeeod wrote: »

A different world lads. A different world altogether.:rolleyes:

I know it's apples and oranges but here's another. 1bl pounds for a tunnel to run power cables? Sure why not

https://youtu.be/Mm5khEUIBx0

Other smaller cities have been doing it for years, ok the hardrock helps but this video shows just a tiny percentage of Helsinki`s underground world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNyEiw28D0

anothernight

L1011 wrote: »

Birmingham today is rather better than Manchester yesterday - it's privatised though. MAN has three small, worn out terminals and everything in them below needed capacity

I really like Birmingham airport. It's tiny but so accessible by train and car, and security through it is very quick and efficient since they usually open all lanes. They tend to be more thorough with security than in Dublin yet the queues move much faster.

Stephen15

Any country that has the extra headroom for double decker trains imagine an eight car peak hours train to say maynooth with double the capacity it has currently or even have them on the dart and it would like the rer in paris. It would be great aswell if dublin could have one single railway terminus in a central location merging both connolly and hueston into one.

McAlban

Stephen15 wrote: »

Any country that has the extra headroom for double decker trains imagine an eight car peak hours train to say maynooth with double the capacity it has currently or even have them on the dart and it would like the rer in paris. It would be great aswell if dublin could have one single railway terminus in a central location merging both connolly and hueston into one.

Yeah, the VIRM in the Netherlands. Actually quite comfortable despite the compactness. And Specific Carriages for bringing you bike into.

NiallBoo

McAlban wrote: »

..
and a driverless metro

I've been dreaming about this in particular lately...

L1011

I'm in the arse of rural Portugal, yet the local authority for this town has a sports centre, two pools and a cultural centre with a cinema in it. Our infrastructure deficit goes very deep

spacetweek

L1011 wrote: »

I'm in the arse of rural Portugal, yet the local authority for this town has a sports centre, two pools and a cultural centre with a cinema in it. Our infrastructure deficit goes very deep

You can find gold-plated GAA clubs in villages of 100 people in Ireland.

L1011

spacetweek wrote: »

You can find gold-plated GAA clubs in villages of 100 people in Ireland.

And that's about it. And fed from sports funding rather than infrastructure funds.

Ended up, via the event I was at, meeting the town engineer and getting to see some of the other stuff

Main Street traffic has been diverted to a tunnel to pedestrianise. Town square has a massive underground carpark under it with lifts up. Also under the square are two large public spaces, one used as a music jam / recording room and one used as a kids Lego play and display area - all public owned.

The weekly market is on the square, but there's an indoor building for it when it rains - which it does a lot in mountainous Portugal. Local and long-distance buses have a proper bus station, not a bus stop on a turning circle as is the norm here.

It was the Portuguese national day that weekend so the square had a temporary marquee on it for a larger market and bands - a terrible Abba tribute was on at one point. They have municipal, free wifi. On the private sector side there's some 6 storey buildings, which would give most planners here palpitations outside a city centre.

This is a town of 9,500 people! Hinterland is maybe another 5k. Also in a country that we'd usually consider broke.

Hotblack Desiato

spacetweek wrote: »

You can find gold-plated GAA clubs in villages of 100 people in Ireland.

A field and goalposts does not constitute a 'gold plated sports facility'.

Are the coaches trained and accredited? What are the changing rooms like? Hot showers? We couldn't manage hot showers for our ladies 6 Nations team a couple of years ago ffs.

LeinsterDub

Lisbon : Buses, so many tram lines they can run heritage routes for the tourist and 3 metro lines with platforms longer than the trains just in case something mad happens like the population of the city grows

Hotblack Desiato

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Lisbon : Buses, some many tram lines they can run heritage routes for the tourist and 3 metro lines with platforms longer than the trains just in case something mad happens like the population of the city grows

Whereas we have the people who brought us 'mini-Luas' on the red line...

BonnieSituation

This thread would depress ya!

LeinsterDub

BonnieSituation wrote: »

This thread would depress ya!

It's meant to make you jealous! Talk about missing the point completely