Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

benny79

Who is Paul Williams working for now?

kfallon

benny79 wrote: »

Who is Paul Williams working for now?

Is he still Sunday World? They'll be having a field day with this next weekend :rolleyes:

ThisRegard

Hitchens wrote: »

anyone remember 'The Blue Flu'?

Yeah, the gardai stopped an attempted cash in transit raid that day, killing one of the gang in the process.

Are you saying that the gardai should be shooting more of them?

arayess

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

If there's a gang war going on why are the protagonists so easy to get to. Have none of these gangsters watched The Godfather. Arn't they supposed to hit the mattresses in time of war.

last nights victim wasn't thought to be involved. looks like he was killed solely for his surname
He worked as a taxi driver and his convictions were minor enough from what i read.
looks like he is an innocent victim as in not an active participant.

although I thought he'd have kept his head down all the same .

benny79

PW has left the Sunday world a couple of years now! The paper is not even at the races anymore when it comes to crime had 2 pages on the hotel killing last Sunday most of which was reported in the Saturday papers! Where as the Sun had 5 pages with a lot of knew information although there both rags & half the time the stories are untrue or made up as in false information! The Sunday World still charges double the price of all other newspapers on a Sunday which is shocking imo as half it is ads..

flanzer

Hitchens wrote: »

anyone remember 'The Blue Flu'?

Allowing the Gardai to unionise was a big mistake. They are off now with the old 'more resources' refrain.

Oh... so the embargo on Garda recruitment is not a factor??? Cutting back on overtime not another factor?

Sure those moany old doctors and nurses on the frontline of our health service are just the same. Constantly moaning about over crowding, when there has been a recruitment embargo for the last number of years.

Gimme a fu(king break!

munsterlegend

arayess wrote: »

last nights victim wasn't thought to be involved. looks like he was killed solely for his surname
He worked as a taxi driver and his convictions were minor enough from what i read.
looks like he is an innocent victim as in not an active participant.

although I thought he'd have kept his head down all the same .

You would think he would have stayed somewhere else alright given his name etc. Must have thought the Garda presence would have been some deterrent. The funeral whenever its held will be a tense affair.

JustTheOne

flanzer wrote: »

Oh... so the embargo on Garda recruitment is not a factor??? Cutting back on overtime not another factor?

Sure those moany old doctors and nurses on the frontline of our health service are just the same. Constantly moaning about over crowding, when there has been a recruitment embargo for the last number of years.

Gimme a fu(king break!

So there was no shootings or killings before that?

Give me a break.

HeidiHeidi

Hitchens wrote: »

anyone remember 'The Blue Flu'?

Allowing the Gardai to unionise was a big mistake. They are off now with the old 'more resources' refrain.

Everyone calling for 24/7 surveillance of all these lunatics. All of them. Everywhere.

Any idea how many man hours are involved in maintaining surveillance?

With the numbers slashed and overtime severely restricted, how do you think they might manage it? How would YOU go about it?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/regency-hotel-shooting-cutbacks-saw-garda%C3%AD-miss-a-big-target-1.2527414

And the Gardai don't have a union.

if you look at this and the spate of burglaries across rural Ireland, the country looks like a right kip!!

The monk hated the drug trade apparently, he's supposed to be your typical ordinary decent criminal. I read he went to spain off his own name to mediate with these lads and they shot his nephew anyway.

it shows ya, that world sometimes draws you back in, via the young related up and comers or those who simply want to make their name by scalping a one time general. what a horrible life.

smash

rusty cole wrote: »

The monk hated the drug trade apparently, he's supposed to be your typical ordinary decent criminal. I read he went to spain off his own name to mediate with these lads and they shot his nephew anyway.

Yea... this phrase should literally never be used to describe people.

BattleCorp

To be fair, the Gardai can't be everywhere and prevent everything from happening. How can they be expected to monitor every single scumbag in the country? And even if they monitor all the known criminals, what's to stop the criminals using outside contractors to do the hits?

If we had unlimited resources where there were armed Gardai on every street corner and in every housing estate, then these hits wouldn't be happening.

I don't think I'd like to live in a society where we have armed Gardai in every nook and cranny.

dodderangler

MarkAnthony wrote: »

I'd just like to congratulate Dublin gangland on, so far on this occasion, being very accurate.

You'll continue to maintain (in the main) public support if you just shoot each other, but if at all possible could you please keep it off the main bus routes, it's a bit inconvenient otherwise.

Also, lads, AKs??! - subtle.

Well they tried handguns and shotguns and people just got injured. At least with an ak they've more of a chance of actually killing their target

lukesmom

Shot 9 times according to the independent. Two funerals coming up will be very tense.

Odyssey 2005

munsterlegend wrote: »

You would think he would have stayed somewhere else alright given his name etc. Must have thought the Garda presence would have been some deterrent. The funeral whenever its held will be a tense affair.

Hardly go back to the regency,will they.?

arayess

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Everyone calling for 24/7 surveillance of all these lunatics. All of them. Everywhere.

Any idea how many man hours are involved in maintaining surveillance?

With the numbers slashed and overtime severely restricted, how do you think they might manage it? How would YOU go about it?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/regency-hotel-shooting-cutbacks-saw-garda%C3%AD-miss-a-big-target-1.2527414

And the Gardai don't have a union.

but they do - knock yourself out http://www.gra.cc/

But I agree with you 100% on surveillance even if they had surveillance on all parties and they tripled the number of gardai these things would happen

Anyway given 4 lads burst into a small enough house last night i'd say (in my complete lack of knowledge) they were low level drug addicts or inexperienced young lads paid to do that shooting. If they were pros it would be less people involved.
So how do you follow everybody? you can't.

people don't understand what surveillance actually entails it's bloody hard.
I remember a documentary I watched on noriega in panama and he was being watched by the US special forces and they had ex operatives on the show saying he gave them the slip many times and the average joe doesn't realise how hard it is to watch a guy. And this was the US special forces with all the resources they need and the law to protect them no matter what they do.

So when people scream for surveillance and following these guys , they don't really know that it's not a fool proof method especially as these guys have spent money on counter surveillance . i'm not saying not to do it but people need to manage their expectations.

Odyssey 2005

PW on with Sean O Rourks now giving his knowledge

HeidiHeidi

arayess wrote: »

but they do - knock yourself out http://www.gra.cc/

The GRA aren't a union, they're a representative body, there's a big difference.

Odyssey 2005

He wasn't a criminal according to PW
There's news to us all ha

marvin80

kfallon wrote: »

Is he still Sunday World? They'll be having a field day with this next weekend :rolleyes:

With the Irish Independent these days.

arayess

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The GRA aren't a union, they're a representative body, there's a big difference.

I'll take you word for it so.
I always thought they act as a union.

kfallon

lukesmom wrote: »

Shot 9 times according to the independent. Two funerals coming up will be very tense.

I wonder if any of the main players will put their head above the water for them!

Tilly

kfallon wrote: »

I wonder if any of the main players will put their head above the water for them!

They'd be very stupid if they did.

kfallon

Tilly wrote: »

They'd be very stupid if they did.

True but one man's stupidity in this has already cost him his life last night

ohnonotgmail

arayess wrote: »

I'll take you word for it so.
I always thought they act as a union.

they are a union in all but name.

BattleCorp

kfallon wrote: »

True but one man's stupidity in this has already cost him his life last night

What did he do that was stupid? He was hardly being high profile seeing as he was shot inside his own house.

kfallon

BattleCorp wrote: »

What did he do that was stupid? He was hardly being high profile seeing as he was shot inside his own house.

The rest of the family went to ground on Saturday morning, he was stupid in that he didn't follow suit!

If most of us were in his shoes we'd have gone missing for a while! Why put yourself out there as a potential target?

fullstop

Superhorse wrote: »

You got me in one for sure there dude. Kudos to you.

Congrats anyway hombre de genio

Ah will you give over :rolleyes: He rightly called you out for talking ****e and this is the best you can come back with...well this and blue peter badges??

Supernintento Chalmers

The only winners here are the press.
It's a tabloid's dream, steadily drip-feeding the ever-hungry public, scrap after scrap of information, or further analysis, if no new info is at hand.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gangster-fat-freddie-thompson-arrested-after-highspeed-garda-chase-in-city-34436477.html

kupus

Heres my plan. Everybody in Ireland has to carrry id. we carry cards money and everything else in our pockets. An id card should be mandatory.

Next, if cops see someone dropping litter a fag butt even chewing gum. Then start charging fines. You dont have your id. Fine come to the station for a couple hours till we sort out your identity. You should have thought about bringing your id when spitting out that gum on the pavement and throwing that butt on the ground.

The reason to start with small little fines for litter etc, is that it gives people a boundary, people need boundaries. if they think they can walk all over you they will. Thats human.
It was done in New york, it can be done in dublin.