Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

tomofson

seerscryer wrote: »

JG actually has an address in Coolock, could be they were returning back to base after a scouting expedition?

I wouldn't say JG would be staying at he's given address, you never know where the chase started though it cuold be they where trying to get a certain hitman released during the week

seerscryer

tomofson wrote: »

seerscryer wrote: »

JG actually has an address in Coolock, could be they were returning back to base after a scouting expedition?

I wouldn't say JG would be staying at he's given address, you never know where the chase started though it cuold be they where trying to get a certain hitman released during the week

Yes absolutely! You could be perfectly right! My comment was made to provoke discussion not to give a fact, that s why I ended the comment with a question mark. Thanks for the thought anyhow!

tomofson

seerscryer wrote: »

Yes absolutely! You could be perfectly right! My comment was made to provoke discussion not to give a fact, that s why I ended the comment with a question mark. Thanks for the thought anyhow!

Why don't the Hutch faction just give up its more than obvious who is going to win this, Only one winner is going to come out of this the Hutch gang wont get anyone of any significance to LB, because thats who the feud is between Kinahans have little to do with the whole thing now. LB vs PH is really what it is. Saying that though the LB side may have killed more but did they really get anyone of significance? The only person with any involvement they killed was Barr and thats a bit flakey and not a fact that he had involved nor even a fact he was killed as part of the feud...

tomofson

gangstergossip wrote: »

thanks just after reading it there this will be an interesting one no doubt he will remain silent for the questioning we'll find out now if the picture with the makeup is enough to charge him. it also says another man was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving could this be the getaway driver? surely if they seen him dangerously driving tonight he would of been arrested for dangerous driving and not on suspicion

He has been released without charge.

humberklog

I'm confused- was the 2nd person named? And if JG surely that's not the same JG whose surname is useful for fish? Or am I mixing up my JG's?

Rakish Paddy

humberklog wrote: »

I'm confused- was the 2nd person named? And if JG surely that's not the same JG whose surname is useful for fish? Or am I mixing up my JG's?

I assume it's the JG who shares a surname with a late Boyzone singer.

humberklog

Aaaah, of course.

seerscryer

With all due respect, I do not think this is just like a game or a boxing match where you might be allowed to just give up. Also I think that it is a little more complicated than you make out. It seems the feud is definitely between the Kinahans and whoever is against them, as you pointed out somethings are not clear cut. But we certainly do not really know conclusively what s going on in this forum. But my opinion, and it is only MY opinion is:
1. PH shot a boxer in the grounds of Daniel Kinahan s villa in Spain.
2. It was then later believed that this was the first attempted murder against DK albeit bungled.
3. There was another attempt on the life of DK at the Red Cow Hotel at another boxing show. Although it was reported that LR cousin of LB was the target, I know this to be ridiculous as LR wasn t there on the night.
4. There was a meeting between Kinahan senior accompanied by 2 other senior Kinahan Cartel members and 2 of the Hutchs PH senior and JH his older brother this was a week or so before the Regency Hotel attack. I have reason to believe that the KInahan side were expecting to have another meeting at a date to be determined with more of the Hutch Faction and more of the Kinahan Cartel in attendance with a view to cooling the escalating feud down and trying to come to a compromise.
5. The attack at the Regency Hotel seemed to take the Kinahan side by surprise, but again the well planned attack was bungled but led to the death of DB.
6. This was clearly an attack on DK, which means that the attack and by implication the feud very much involved them even if it actually resulted in the death of DB.
7. It seems to be the belief of the Kinahan side that there were a number of dissidents involved in additions to Hutch family members. It can be imagined that if these were left unchecked they may well make a 4th attempt on the life of DK and other Kinahan family members, so in my opinion it is unlikely that any side will just give up.
8. Gerry Hutch had been known to have tried to recruit republican dissidents in 2015 with the help of Noel Duggan (who knew them through his smuggling activities). They were turned down by the Northern dissidents.
9. The belief was that Gerry wished to help his brother PH to avenge the death of his son, but did not want to be seen to be involved directly, as he still wanted to cover himself with the mantle of former ODC, never involved with drugs, social worker who never made a penny from crime but made his fortune through property investment / development.
10. Gerry cautioned his brother PH about taking such a direct, collision course but he could not be dissuaded.
11. PH drag queen worked for former Sinn Fein councillor JD who helped organise the Regency attack, supported by Barr and at least 2 more dissidents in additions to a publican blood related to the Hutchs. Gerry is believed to be a silent investor in the Sunset House bar and others. The murder of Barr is by no means conclusively proven to cut an dried. There are a lot of strange goings on in this whole feud. Finally, NO this cannot be proven, by me especially, nor do I intend to try to! However, to say that it is going to go away or it is only between LB and PH is not correct, in my opinion and I am just as much a granny gossip as us all in this forum, but I am curious as to what others think?

Me disagreeing with your opinion, is in no way a personal attack on you and I hope you see it for what it is an attempt to introduce other perspectives to this debate! I also welcome other peoples opinions whether or not they concur with my own. Thank you.

tomofson

seerscryer wrote: »

With all due respect, I do not think this is just like a game or a boxing match where you might be allowed to just give up. Also I think that it is a little more complicated than you make out. It seems the feud is definitely between the Kinahans and whoever is against them, as you pointed out somethings are not clear cut. But we certainly do not really know conclusively what s going on in this forum. But my opinion, and it is only MY opinion is:
1. PH shot a boxer in the grounds of Daniel Kinahan s villa in Spain.
2. It was then later believed that this was the first attempted murder against DK albeit bungled.
3. There was another attempt on the life of DK at the Red Cow Hotel at another boxing show. Although it was reported that LR cousin of LB was the target, I know this to be ridiculous as LR wasn t there on the night.
4. There was a meeting between Kinahan senior accompanied by 2 other senior Kinahan Cartel members and 2 of the Hutchs PH senior and JH his older brother this was a week or so before the Regency Hotel attack. I have reason to believe that the KInahan side were expecting to have another meeting at a date to be determined with more of the Hutch Faction and more of the Kinahan Cartel in attendance with a view to cooling the escalating feud down and trying to come to a compromise.
5. The attack at the Regency Hotel seemed to take the Kinahan side by surprise, but again the well planned attack was bungled but led to the death of DB.
6. This was clearly an attack on DK, which means that the attack and by implication the feud very much involved them even if it actually resulted in the death of DB.
7. It seems to be the belief of the Kinahan side that there were a number of dissidents involved in additions to Hutch family members. It can be imagined that if these were left unchecked they may well make a 4th attempt on the life of DK and other Kinahan family members, so in my opinion it is unlikely that any side will just give up.
8. Gerry Hutch had been known to have tried to recruit republican dissidents in 2015 with the help of Noel Duggan (who knew them through his smuggling activities). They were turned down by the Northern dissidents.
9. The belief was that Gerry wished to help his brother PH to avenge the death of his son, but did not want to be seen to be involved directly, as he still wanted to cover himself with the mantle of former ODC, never involved with drugs, social worker who never made a penny from crime but made his fortune through property investment / development.
10. Gerry cautioned his brother PH about taking such a direct, collision course but he could not be dissuaded.
11. PH drag queen worked for former Sinn Fein councillor JD who helped organise the Regency attack, supported by Barr and at least 2 more dissidents in additions to a publican blood related to the Hutchs. Gerry is believed to be a silent investor in the Sunset House bar and others. The murder of Barr is by no means conclusively proven to cut an dried. There are a lot of strange goings on in this whole feud. Finally, NO this cannot be proven, by me especially, nor do I intend to try to! However, to say that it is going to go away or it is only between LB and PH is not correct, in my opinion and I am just as much a granny gossip as us all in this forum, but I am curious as to what others think?

Me disagreeing with your opinion, is in no way a personal attack on you and I hope you see it for what it is an attempt to introduce other perspectives to this debate! I also welcome other peoples opinions whether or not they concur with my own. Thank you.

What opinion exactly did you disagree with? Kinahan is no really involved anymore LB has taken over as a leading figure in the feud and is putting up the money for each murder. LB has not got anyone of significance killed. So is that what got noel duggan killed cause he acted as a type of recruiter for the Hutch faction??? I think LB and PH are acting as sort of leader figures in each faction currently. Im not saying thats how its always been or always will be as things can change very quickly but currently and over the last few months thats what seems to be happening.

gangstergossip

seercryer i agree with all your points but just want to talk about 1 and 2. That night there was a party been held in a nightclub on the costa with all the main players of this feud in attendence including dk gh and ph. Apparently ph was very ****ed up on coke and had a massive argument with gh in front of everybody and start calling him a dosser for the kinahans and saying he wasnt as high up in the cartel as he should be especially after all the money he had invested in the cartel from the bank robbery in 2009 basically just saying he was their muppet, anyhow the argument turned into a fight and punches were exchanged and ph was thrown out of the club and gh an dk and the rest continued the party. Dk and gh were living together at the time and went back to their villa and kept the seshion going and the boxer was told to call over when apparently ph was waiting there and from what i was told he wasnt waiting for dk but for gh that he was coked out of his head and furious over the fight and wanted to shoot gh in the legs, which makes sense to me as the boxer was shot in the legs and if it was dk he was after he would of surely took the head shot.Anyways dk was supposedly furious that he attempted to shoot gh at his property bringing police heat down on him and it was agreed ph would be kneecapped in retaliation which also makes sense as if dk thought ph was there to kill him he would of had ph killed and not kneecapped. well there just my 2 cents anywho

Allyall

Wasn't there another shooting in Spain between points 3 and 4?

gangstergossip

Allyall wrote: »

Wasn't there another shooting in Spain between points 3 and 5? (I don't know when point 4 took place.)

there was the gh murder between 2 and 3 if thats what your talking about

Allyall

gangstergossip wrote: »

there was the gh murder between 2 and 3 if thats what your talking about

Yeah. That was it.

Rakish Paddy

gangstergossip wrote: »

it was agreed ph would be kneecapped in retaliation

Was PH the guy with gunshot wounds in the legs in this story?
http://www.independent.ie/incoming/manic-driver-crashes-at-mater-hospital-screaming-for-medical-assistance-for-passenger-with-gunshot-wounds-30512245.html

gangstergossip

Rakish Paddy wrote: »

Was PH the guy with gunshot wounds in the legs in this story?
http://www.independent.ie/incoming/manic-driver-crashes-at-mater-hospital-screaming-for-medical-assistance-for-passenger-with-gunshot-wounds-30512245.html

yea that was it

JustTheOne

gangstergossip wrote: »

yea that was it

He keeps quite busy.

tomofson

gangstergossip wrote: »

seercryer i agree with all your points but just want to talk about 1 and 2. That night there was a party been held in a nightclub on the costa with all the main players of this feud in attendence including dk gh and ph. Apparently ph was very ****ed up on coke and had a massive argument with gh in front of everybody and start calling him a dosser for the kinahans and saying he wasnt as high up in the cartel as he should be especially after all the money he had invested in the cartel from the bank robbery in 2009 basically just saying he was their muppet, anyhow the argument turned into a fight and punches were exchanged and ph was thrown out of the club and gh an dk and the rest continued the party. Dk and gh were living together at the time and went back to their villa and kept the seshion going and the boxer was told to call over when apparently ph was waiting there and from what i was told he wasnt waiting for dk but for gh that he was coked out of his head and furious over the fight and wanted to shoot gh in the legs, which makes sense to me as the boxer was shot in the legs and if it was dk he was after he would of surely took the head shot.Anyways dk was supposedly furious that he attempted to shoot gh at his property bringing police heat down on him and it was agreed ph would be kneecapped in retaliation which also makes sense as if dk thought ph was there to kill him he would of had ph killed and not kneecapped. well there just my 2 cents anywho

Someone who has an ego as big as DK's would have him killed for just trying to have a shot at him, regardless if he was trying to kill him or not. Just my opinion on the matter maybe I'm wrong, if all this is true then it really was the Hutch faction that provoked the feud in the first place it seems like DK's crew was trying to avoid it. For one of two things I think they would of wanted to avoid it 1 being the amount of garda/police attention it would bring on the mob and the amount of money they would lose. 2 A level of respect they have for the seniors in the Hutch camp.

tomofson

For such "criminals" PH and JG dont seem to have a lot in the way of convictions do they???

gangstergossip

tomofson wrote: »

Someone who has an ego as big as DK's would have him killed for just trying to have a shot at him, regardless if he was trying to kill him or not. Just my opinion on the matter maybe I'm wrong, if all this is true then it really was the Hutch faction that provoked the feud in the first place it seems like DK's crew was trying to avoid it. For one of two things I think they would of wanted to avoid it 1 being the amount of garda/police attention it would bring on the mob and the amount of money they would lose. 2 A level of respect they have for the seniors in the Hutch camp.

yea thats what im saying pal he wasnt actually trying to have a shot at dk he was trying to shoot gh in the legs as he was coked out of his head and furious over the fight they had when he was thrown out of the party. If dk thought he was trying to kill or injure him he would of had him killed straight away but he got him kneecapped for shooting someone around his house which had the police all over it and he only kneecapped him a a favor to gh who obviously didnt want him killed.
This is why i believe gh was killed back in 2010 when the spanish police arrested the cartel over operation shovel all of their assets were frozen they had literally **** all money and were finding it hard to fund shipments into the country they sent pr and hatchet over to ireland to shake down any dealers that owed them money but the dealers were finding it hard to pay since there wasnt really anymore drugs coming in for them to sell. in 2009 gh and a few others did a tiger kidnapping targeting the college green cash centre of the bank of ireland, they got 7.6 million it was the largest bank robbery in the states history. the kinahans convinced gh to give them the money to get their operation running smoothly again and promised gh that down the line when everything was going well he would get his money back with interest and would become one of the main men in the business on the same level as dk. but years went by and the cartel were back on their feet and gh still had not got his money back and was still under dk in business and his family believed the kinahans were just stringing him a long they began putting pressure on gh to demand his money and his rightful place at the top beside dk, not long after that a cartel shipment of ketamine worth over 7 million sterling and weed worth 1 and a half million sterling was busted in manchester. The kinahans said gh was the only person that knew about it and had to of ratted for it to be caught they set a meeting up with hutch elders and refused to repay the money from the bank job saying that the ketamine shipment cancelled it out they agreed to let gh live and after a while he moved back to spain and was going to try and make a go of dealing from there seperate to the cartel and thats when dk had him killed

spurious

tomofson wrote: »

For such "criminals" PH and JG dont seem to have a lot in the way of convictions do they???

JG certainly has. Perhaps PH is smarter and better at covering up.

tomofson

spurious wrote: »

JG certainly has. Perhaps PH is smarter and better at covering up.

Do you know what sort of convictions he has to he's name, micky mouse things or anything serious?

tomofson

gangstergossip wrote: »

yea thats what im saying pal he wasnt actually trying to have a shot at dk he was trying to shoot gh in the legs as he was coked out of his head and furious over the fight they had when he was thrown out of the party. If dk thought he was trying to kill or injure him he would of had him killed straight away but he got him kneecapped for shooting someone around his house which had the police all over it and he only kneecapped him a a favor to gh who obviously didnt want him killed.
This is why i believe gh was killed back in 2010 when the spanish police arrested the cartel over operation shovel all of their assets were frozen they had literally **** all money and were finding it hard to fund shipments into the country they sent pr and hatchet over to ireland to shake down any dealers that owed them money but the dealers were finding it hard to pay since there wasnt really anymore drugs coming in for them to sell. in 2009 gh and a few others did a tiger kidnapping targeting the college green cash centre of the bank of ireland, they got 7.6 million it was the largest bank robbery in the states history. the kinahans convinced gh to give them the money to get their operation running smoothly again and promised gh that down the line when everything was going well he would get his money back with interest and would become one of the main men in the business on the same level as dk. but years went by and the cartel were back on their feet and gh still had not got his money back and was still under dk in business and his family believed the kinahans were just stringing him a long they began putting pressure on gh to demand his money and his rightful place at the top beside dk, not long after that a cartel shipment of ketamine worth over 7 million sterling and weed worth 1 and a half million sterling was busted in manchester. The kinahans said gh was the only person that knew about it and had to of ratted for it to be caught they set a meeting up with hutch elders and refused to repay the money from the bank job saying that the ketamine shipment cancelled it out they agreed to let gh live and after a while he moved back to spain and was going to try and make a go of dealing from there seperate to the cartel and thats when dk had him killed

I'm a little confused, was PH drunk/out of it and tried to shoot he's brother and got the boxer instead? I would say their is definitely a big money reason for a major feud like this cause their is no doubt it will cost them money just fighting it out.

gangstergossip

tomofson wrote: »

I'm a little confused, was PH drunk/out of it and tried to shoot he's brother and got the boxer instead? I would say their is definitely a big money reason for a major feud like this cause their is no doubt it will cost them money just fighting it out.

yea he was drinking all day and taking coke and that night in the club he start having a go at gh saying he was letting ck and dk make a fool of him and they came to blows and other cartel members threw ph out of the party. ph then went to get a gun and car but he didnt know dk and gh had already left and went back to their villa, he the arrived at the villa and waited in the bushes when the boxer came along and he fired at his leg thinking it was gh the boxer then made some sort of remark and ph knew it was the wrong person and fired two more shots at him in frustration. also the car he got belonged to a dutch criminal who was good friends with the kinahans he was after been arrested in morocco and held on remand a few months previously and left his car in one of the cartels lock ups so when dk heard the description of the car he knew it was someone close to them that had access to the car

tomofson

gangstergossip wrote: »

yea he was drinking all day and taking coke and that night in the club he start having a go at gh saying he was letting ck and dk make a fool of him and they came to blows and other cartel members threw ph out of the party. ph then went to get a gun and car but he didnt know dk and gh had already left and went back to their villa, he the arrived at the villa and waited in the bushes when the boxer came along and he fired at his leg thinking it was gh the boxer then made some sort of remark and ph knew it was the wrong person and fired two more shots at him in frustration. also the car he got belonged to a dutch criminal who was good friends with the kinahans he was after been arrested in morocco and held on remand a few months previously and left his car in one of the cartels lock ups so when dk heard the description of the car he knew it was someone close to them that had access to the car

Oh right so PH basically started all of this back in 2014 all because he got throwing out of a stupid party for being a mouth. Seems the egotistical type I think if he was killed that would be a cooling down period and the serious money men could just get back to business instead of wasting time with all this tom foolery. Do you know if it was PH who fired the fatal shots in the regency or was it flatcap, I heard from someone the AK's weren't fired or if they where it was only into the ceiling.

tomofson

Why don't we try to predict who will be killed and who wont by the end of the year. I'd say JG will be killed sadly and I'd say KM will be killed as he already miraculously survived a shooting when the wrong innocent passerby was struck by a stray bullet and sadly died. The only way I can see PH surviving till the end of 2016 is if he is hit with murder charge or other charges and remanded in custody right now he is released without charge as far as I know. GF I would also be surprised if survived same as flatcap. Anyone of these said people I'd say there is a very good chance of dying by the end of this year unless this feud is put to a swift and sudden stop. I'd say LB or some of hes closest associates could be killed. I dont think DK will be as I dont think anyone could get near him same with hes father. Fat F is also a potential target and could die as part of this but I'm not sure hes an important enough figure to be targeted despite how much certain media outlets like to big him up. The hitman who sadly killed the said innocent man in a previous hit who has been labelled a judas I would say has a very high chance of being killed by either side. Finglas hitman TB could go any day. PH's younger relative RH is also a potential target but not sure how significant he would be to be gunned down. I know anyone linked to The Monk could be a target though as does the murder of hes brother show. Any of hes brothers kids I would say could get killed.

blinding

^^^^^^^^^^^^
And the Irish Police are incapable of catching this lot:eek:

It can only be bribery and corruption that has this lot roaming the streets:eek:

JustTheOne

blinding wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^^^^
And the Irish Police are incapable of catching this lot:eek:

It can only be bribery and corruption that has this lot roaming the streets:eek:

Spot on. Well known it is.

Peter Anthony

tomofson wrote: »

Why don't we try to predict who will be killed and who wont by the end of the year. I'd say JG will be killed sadly and I'd say KM will be killed as he already miraculously survived a shooting when the wrong innocent passerby was struck by a stray bullet and sadly died. The only way I can see PH surviving till the end of 2016 is if he is hit with murder charge or other charges and remanded in custody right now he is released without charge as far as I know. GF I would also be surprised if survived same as flatcap. Anyone of these said people I'd say there is a very good chance of dying by the end of this year unless this feud is put to a swift and sudden stop. I'd say LB or some of hes closest associates could be killed. I dont think DK will be as I dont think anyone could get near him same with hes father. Fat F is also a potential target and could die as part of this but I'm not sure hes an important enough figure to be targeted despite how much certain media outlets like to big him up. The hitman who sadly killed the said innocent man in a previous hit who has been labelled a judas I would say has a very high chance of being killed by either side. Finglas hitman TB could go any day. PH's younger relative RH is also a potential target but not sure how significant he would be to be gunned down. I know anyone linked to The Monk could be a target though as does the murder of hes brother show. Any of hes brothers kids I would say could get killed.

Flat Cap is ****ed big time. Indeed I seen anonymous Facebook accounts posting details about him under a SW artice earlier. His name is well known in the South and Tyrone, and if rumours are to believed not ony has he been back in his home town hes been out and about brazenly even drinking away in Local pubs.

Hes a gun for hire, I dont believe hes even in the IRA anymore so has no protection there, doubt the Hutches are too concerned with him either. His main associate was murdered last week. Hes probably the only 1 of the 6 Regency shooters a charge might stick to because he failed to wear a disguise and got pictured. He probably has PSNI and MI5 watching his every move on top of Gardai, and the Cartel will want him too.

Not looking to good for him is it?

Peter Anthony

How come we have heard nothing since March about either of the weapons seizures in Meath ? One guy from Donegal was charged with IRA membership with AKs found in Slane, it said it would be back in court the 16th of March but nothing in the media about that, is he in custody or whats the deal? Also in Ratoath, 3 guys caught in car only 2 charged? Why, and whats the update there are they free or in custody?

Very secretive whatever the story is.

spurious

tomofson wrote: »

Do you know what sort of convictions he has to he's name, micky mouse things or anything serious?

Drugs mostly.