Illegal Downloading

the_syco

shrapnel222 wrote: »

not true. We all buy books, films, CDs and pass them round amongst friends and family. is that illegal also?

Pretty sure, yes.

shrapnel222

the_syco wrote: »

Pretty sure, yes.

it's not afair. making a copy of it is (as mentioned by Kev).

sharing is caring :P

smash

shrapnel222 wrote: »

it's not afair. making a copy of it is (as mentioned by Kev).

sharing is caring :P

Sharing is considered distribution. It's illegal.

The sooner netflix gets in on the cinema game, the better.

shrapnel222

smash wrote: »

Sharing is considered distribution. It's illegal.

The sooner netflix gets in on the cinema game, the better.

Absolute rubbish. when i buy a CD, i have ownership of it and can do with it what i want. lend it, sell it, gift it... (i cannot copy it, or use it for public showings, etc.).

thinking about that now, what you suggest means that libraries and second hand shops are both illegal.:rolleyes:

My flimsy excuse for downloading is that I can not get any internet, where I live, to make use of Netflix etc so end up downloading on my phone when out and about, transferring to PC and watching later.

If I could get internet I would probably go back to my default of watching content legally.
Still own/buy stupid amounts of BluRay though (it's the sound quality)

The resurgence of region locking could see a massive spike in illegal downloading again on a wider scale

Thargor

Id love to see all these people who claim Blu-Rays are so superior to Blu-Ray rips put the test in a proper clinical way. Id be very surprised if they could spot an actual difference.

samuel1933

with genesis on kodi, showbox, hdcinema and tons of other apps widely available who would buy a movie nowadays???

Occasional trip to the cinema - ok. But other than that. No.

OldMrBrennan83

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samuel1933

Well, I watch movies from my phone on my tv via chromecast, tutorials on YouTube.. and yes you have to spend about 30min. To set it up.

Diddy Kong

If there was 1 service for movies and TV, then I would have no problem paying a monthly sub for it, but for my viewing habits currently I would have to purchase 5/6/7 different subs to the different services, so it doesn't make sense for me.

smash

shrapnel222 wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. when i buy a CD, i have ownership of it and can do with it what i want. lend it, sell it, gift it... (i cannot copy it, or use it for public showings, etc.).

thinking about that now, what you suggest means that libraries and second hand shops are both illegal.:rolleyes:

Have you ever actually read a copyright warning on a movie?

techdiver

afatbollix wrote: »

I used to download everything, But these days I have a good TV and a great sound system, Bad quality pisses me off. I got a great deal with Sky last year so have all the channels and a netflix acc.

I can usually download it off the sky box via the various iplayers or record it.

Most of Netflix stuff is now 5.1 so its just as good as a blue ray.

I own about 3 blue rays before I turned to streaming. I sold most of my DVDs a few years ago they were just clutter.

Make it easy for consumers and they will take the easy route instead of downloading.

This is not entirely true.

The bitrate of 1080p on Netflix is much lower than blu ray and Netflix (20-40mbps v 5mbps)only goes as far as DD+ on some platforms and on other DD 5.1, whereas bluray has DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD and now Atmos and DTS:X. SO if you have a decent AV receiver blu ray (or blu ray quality) is still the only game in town.

shrapnel222

smash wrote: »

Have you ever actually read a copyright warning on a movie?

lending to a friend does not constitute "unauthorized lending".

The specifics of the directive are that it applies to lending "made through establishments that are accessible to the public".

smash

shrapnel222 wrote: »

lending to a friend does not constitute "unauthorized lending".

The specifics of the directive are that it applies to lending "made through establishments that are accessible to the public".

Lending of any manner except where licensed to do so is not permitted.

It's never enforced and it can't ever be enforced but the fact is that it is not allowed.

shrapnel222

smash wrote: »

Lending of any manner except where licensed to do so is not permitted.

It's never enforced and it can't ever be enforced but the fact is that it is not allowed.

so you "give" it to your friend.:p

smash

shrapnel222 wrote: »

so you "give" it to your friend.:p

Only after you burn a copy for yourself! :pac:

the_syco

shrapnel222 wrote: »

thinking about that now, what you suggest means that libraries and second hand shops are both illegal.:rolleyes:

Pretty sure that the libraries do it by license. Second hand shops are grey area, but you'll see some game publisher demanding a tenner off anyone who buys a second hand game, but wants to play online.

smash wrote: »

Have you ever actually read a copyright warning on a movie?

Ah yes... the warning for pirates that pirates never see

Bob24

For me the issue with legal online services is their limited catalog. More often that not, I know what I want to watch rather than just wanting to log into an online platform and browse what is on offer. I accept and understand Netflix or other streaming services won't cater for this due to licensing costs, but I find it quite frustrating that even if you are willing to pay a fair amount to purchase a digital copy of a movie you often can't find it (I am mostly looking at the iTunes store). You are fine if you are looking for recent blockbusters, but if you are interested in movies which are a bit old, not American or not mainstream you often have to turn to physical media (which I personally am not interested in anymore). For example I just searched for Jia Zhanke on the iTunes store (fairly major director in China with decent international reach) and they only have one movie, whereas you can buy physical copies of most of his movies on Amazon (meant for the European market, not imports).

I think it will happen eventually but the movie industry still needs to go through the same thing as the music industry whch eventually realised one main driver for piracy was that they were not selling consumers what they wanted.

I would feel a bit bad about piracy especially when it comes to more confidential movies which need money the most. But I think it is a valid question to ask if when a movie you want to see is not available for purchase in the format you typically use, the best thing to do for yourself and the movie is to ignore than movie or go the illegal download route.

Mr Freeze

gar32 wrote: »

I live in Germany and got a bill for €800 for using torrent for 10 mins. I did not pay it but got a court order 2 years later and had to pay a solicitor to sort it out for me. I still may be given a court date and be fined up too 5k. My VPN when down for those 10 mins.

I don't down load any more. Netflix and streaming some movies.

Enjoy the fact you can download if you want.

Now that is scary. Thank feck they don't have a clue how to do anything like that here yet.

Bob24

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Now that is scary. Thank feck they don't have a clue how to do anything like that here yet.

Don't they monitor illegal music downloads here?

starviewadams

Eircom voluntarily signed up with IRMA to monitor music torrents I think, they just send warning letters out though. Never heard of Eircom terminating anyone's service because of it.

Could just sign up with one of their re-sellers or Virgin if they actually followed through anyway.

Right Turn Clyde

satguy wrote: »

I have the top 360MB pack from Virgin/UPC,, it is €95 per month, I also pay my TV licence. (Total is about €100 pm)
I did have Netflix but due to some strange peering by Virgin/UPC it never worked the way I would have liked..

Then there is the fact that we in Ireland only get a very small and older part of others countries streaming catalog, (we get shafted ?)

We have a teenage son, he would go the the cinema once a month.. A €20 spot and and he's out the door happy..
He also has a nice mobile phone and chews through data, I top up his phone at €20 per month..

Total cost so far per month for "media" is €140 per month..

I think they get more than enough of my hard earned money,, So as a nice treat for myself, I have a Debrid account at €3 per month and can if I choose, can watch anything I like, when I like, from any channel I like, in HD 720p or Full HD 1080p..

Am in fact looking forward to Season 4 of Banshee..

That's a very strange argument to make. You're rounding up films, broadband, TV, mobile data, and even your son's popcorn by the looks of it, and labelling it all 'media'.

I have a huge Vodafone bill and I love M&Ms. So can I download what I want for free?

Sad Professor

Zillah wrote: »

How is that not just Netflix?

Spotify is a one-stop shop. You don't need to subscribe to Google Music and Apple Music as well since they have pretty much the exact same content. One music streaming subscription is enough.

Where as film/tv streaming services like Netflix are like premium cable channels. A Netflix subscription gets you Netflix stuff but if you want HBO stuff you need a HBO subscription, and if you want Amazon stuff you need an Amazon subscription, and so on. And if that's not quite the way it is currently then that's certainly the way it will be in a few years. Everyone will probably be spending 30-50 a month on various services.

Agricola

I'd really only DL the odd film which I would never be bothered to see in the cinema or buy on disk. Given the amount of utter trash that this pumped out these days, i.e. superhero movie after superhero movie after superhero movie and endless sequels to boot, that means my cinema trips aren't as common as they once were. But if something unusual comes out that bucks the trend and gets decent reviews, I will always pay for it in some shape or form.
Would agree with the poster about Steam and spotify sorting this issue for other media. I can't remember the last time I even thought about playing a game which I hadnt bought, and that is purely down to Steam making it so easy.

Ash.J.Williams

the latest craze i've noticed is people pressing the facebook button on their illegal movie website "joe murphy is watching the ravenant on trrntzone.eu" etc...now tht's surely taken the pi$$

Hellrazer

Thinks theres a few peeps here not telling the whole truth with regards to their downloading activities. I mean why have a 250mb connection to use for gmail and facebook.
Almost anyone I know with fast pipelines download everything illegally.

I download/stream almost everything -- Movies,music and books.I do have a Netflix account that's used daily--If its not on Netflix then Ill watch it on Kodi.
I also use Spotify etc.
However in saying that if I find an artists I like Ill always buy the cd or digital version of it.
Movies--that's a different story.They make huge money from cinema goers..so my single download isn't really going to affect them is it????Yeah I might be watching a **** cam of a new release but that's my decision.But its not that I feel guilty if its a music artist that's starting out which is why Ill buy their CD.With movies its like you are sticking it to a big corporation.

Have 2 kindles and find books online using torrents. One particular torrent with 600+ books on it Im still going through.

Ill download entire seasons of Tv shows especially if they aren't going to be released here for months or aren't on Netflix etc.

Will I ever stop?


Probably not until its actually enforced but by then there will be another way around it.


I suppose the point Im trying to make is if there was a legitimate way to get the media that I want when I want it Id use that route.
Netflix has went a long ways to achieving that but its still lacking in some ways ie the fact that the US Netflix has way more content than the Irish one.
With books I cant be arsed paying sometimes more for a kindle version than a printed version.

satguy

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

That's a very strange argument to make. You're rounding up films, broadband, TV, mobile data, and even your son's popcorn by the looks of it, and labelling it all 'media'.

I have a huge Vodafone bill and I love M&Ms. So can I download what I want for free?

Money spent on Media = €140 per month.. Yes I will include the popcorn ..

The local cinema is owned by Odeon Cinemas and is part a an even bigger media company that also owns EMI..

Virgin / UPC is owned by Liberty Global plc is an American, British-based telecommunications and television company. It was formed in 2005 by the merger of the international arm of Liberty Media and UGC (UnitedGlobalCom), and is one of the largest cable TV providers in the world..

My mobile phone is with Three, who are owned by Hutchison Whampoa Limited, a huge media company based in Hong Kong..

All of the above will keep taking, they geo block or region block content, Mobile phone data can cost an arm and a leg, if you go over your data plan you have to sell the house to pay your bill..

Boskowski

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

Why should you?

Season passes are available for NBA, NFL and MLB but that model doesn't exist in this part of the world. Sky tried a scale down version of it some years ago (can't remember the name of it) but it didn't take off.

What you'd like to have and what you should have are two different things.

Well, what I mean with should have is that the asking price in my mind demands a near full level of coverage especially considering that the EPL is now split between two major players costing the customer close to €60 per month. And you still only have the minority of the games and then there are days like yesterday. Of ten games in total this game week two games are available on UK/Irish channels.

Not good value and I won't be renewing my Sky Sports subscription, voting with my feet. Which is the only way of making my statement and I will do just that.

On another note, from your tone I'm picking up you're not exactly sympathetic towards the case I'm making. Any particular reason for that? What do you think I should have for €60? Do you think that the EPL is a good product for that price?

Bob24

satguy wrote: »

Money spent on Media = €140 per month.. Yes I will include the popcorn ..

The local cinema is owned by Odeon Cinemas and is part a an even bigger media company that also owns EMI..

Virgin / UPC is owned by Liberty Global plc is an American, British-based telecommunications and television company. It was formed in 2005 by the merger of the international arm of Liberty Media and UGC (UnitedGlobalCom), and is one of the largest cable TV providers in the world..

My mobile phone is with Three, who are owned by Hutchison Whampoa Limited, a huge media company based in Hong Kong..

All of the above will keep taking, they geo block or region block content, Mobile phone data can cost an arm and a leg, if you go over your data plan you have to sell the house to pay your bill..

Cancel your cable TV, broadband, or mobile subscription if you have no use for them.

These services have nothing to do with paying for the movies you watch (except the ones watch on UPC channels, but again if you don't like their selection cancel your subscription and spend the money on buying the movies you want to watch).

I use a large monitor with no tuner as I don't watch TV (no TV licence) and only have a broadband package from UPC: 40 euros per month altogether.

Bob24

Hellrazer wrote: »

Thinks theres a few peeps here not telling the whole truth with regards to their downloading activities. I mean why have a 250mb connection to use for gmail and facebook.
Almost anyone I know with fast pipelines download everything illegally.

You are probably right about some people, but not everyone. For me it is the faster upload speed which comes with the high-speed broadband packages I am interested in, as I am an avid user of cloud services.

My laptops are fully backed-up online, my Apple photo library is in the cloud, I use iCloud Drive, my iTunes music library is in the cloud, etc.

The 12Mbps upload speed I am getting with my UPC subscription is no luxury to do these things (even with this, it can take a few hours to upload a couple hundred of pictures after returning from a long holiday).