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I'm glad I'm not a student any more....

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  • 27-01-2016 6:35pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭


    Seems like first year students, of any age, who are boarding in the Trinity Hall residence in Dartry, South Dublin are having to attend compulsory "Sexual Consent" workshops as part of their orientation programme.

    Yeeesh!!

    And you thought we had the church on the run. You thought they were going to feck off and die, killed by a mixture of our apathy and outright hatred.
    And now.......they're back. Or at least a new set of moral guardians are moving in to fill the vacuum. But who are they?

    Questions I would have for these "workshop presenters":

    Who designs the course content?
    Who approves it?
    How is/was dissent or disagreement on the content handled and taken into account during its preparation?
    What is the penalty for attendees disagreeing with some or all of the messages contained within the workshop content?
    What is the penalty for non attendance?

    Of course, nobody is in favour of rape and one wants to discourage young people from indulging in actions they might bitterly regret. But isn't treating all that as a taboo what the church used to do as a matter of course? Most of us are only too glad to see the back of them.

    At least we knew where the church was coming from. These guys? (and girls)?

    Who knows?


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No no, that only happens in America, not here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    *takes a sip of tea*


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    You must have a very easy life if these are the types of things you have to resort to worrying about OP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The sooner the entire secondary school curriculum is scrapped and replaced with back to back gender studies classes, the better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Of course, nobody is in favour of rape and one wants to discourage young people from indulging in actions they might bitterly regret. But isn't treating all that as a taboo what the church used to do as a matter of course? Most of us are only too glad to see the back of them.

    What's being treated as a taboo and how so?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,433 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    strelok wrote: »
    *takes a sip of tea*


    Now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Most students these days are total bast***s

    Loud, annoying, think they are funny, shouting, have their own inside-jokes and terminology and usually drunk and wearing weird clothes.

    Dunno what is going on with this specific generation at all at all


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,248 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    And it starts already.

    I am in no bloody way an SJW or one of their fans, but the absolute sad fact of the matter is that classes like this are needed. Personally I think they should teach this in Secondary School during the Sex Ed classes.

    You can view it as SJW's gone mad, but you'd be wrong. This is simply about ensuring that people know and understand consent and just how important it is. The sad fact of the matter is not nearly enough people do know it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Good time to link this relevant sketch



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    RWCNT wrote: »
    What's being treated as a taboo and how so?

    Shagging.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    You must have a very easy life if these are the types of things you have to resort to worrying about OP.

    Yeah cause Boards in general and After Hours in particular only ponders the really weighty questions of the day: what is life, why are we here, is there a God.

    Why can't one muse politely what the agenda of the people behind these "Consent courses" might be?

    Especially as they appear to be compulsory. One doesn't want to fill young people's heads with a lot of old nonsense, now, does one?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Controversial opinion:

    They need to also educate students on proper alcohol consumption and decision making


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    They need to also educate students on proper alcohol consumption and decision making

    And actually taking proper care for themselves and their wellbeing.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Don't drink to excess. Stay with mates around you if you do. Avoid drugs. Wear a blobby on the knobby. Don't stick your langer in loopers/don't let loopers stick their langer in you.

    Wibbs course for the Kidz(™)©

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Don't drink to excess. Stay with mates around you if you do. Avoid drugs. Wear a blobby on the knobby. Don't stick your langer in loopers/don't let loopers stick their langer in you.

    Wibbs course for the Kidz(™)©

    There you go. Workshop over. You can all leave now. There won't be a test.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭charlietheminxx


    I don't get why this is a bad thing.... Rape is a major issue. There are lots of sexual assaults on college campuses. What's wrong with a bit of a reminder about consent?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    I don't get why this is a bad thing.... Rape is a major issue. There are lots of sexual assaults on college campuses. What's wrong with a bit of a reminder about consent?

    do you think rapist will take note? i don't
    do you think its just to avoid liability ? i do


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    I don't get why this is a bad thing.... Rape is a major issue. There are lots of sexual assaults on college campuses. What's wrong with a bit of a reminder about consent?

    Is there a lot of sexual assaults on campus here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭snickerpuss


    Is it possibly a reaction to the TCD SU survey that found that 25% of female and 5% of male students had been subjected to "an unwanted sexual experience". 1 in 4 females seems extremely high.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Shagging.

    How is it being treated as taboo in this instance?

    Hint : It's not.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭charlietheminxx


    Red King wrote: »
    Is there a lot of sexual assaults on campus here?

    Absolutely. So many never report it either so I reckon the figures are higher than any estimates given.

    I think people have a set view of what a "rapist" is. They aren't always tv show style baddies who set out to rape someone intentionally to hurt them. Sometimes they're a friend who doesnt take no for an answer or maybe thinks you're playing hard to get. Sometimes both parties are off their face and might remember it differently. Sometimes they're someone who thinks a girl is into reluctance fantasies, because sure wasn't she flirting only a few minutes before?

    Maybe I am not getting my point across properly but if a course like this even stops one instance of non consensual sex then what's the issue?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    First thing that crossed my mind was "People who are going to rape aren't going to be put off by a fecking workshop"
    But then the workshop isn't aimed towards the Hollywood Idea of "Creep in the alleyway trying to pounce"
    It is to highlight the whole idea of "can you give consent if you're scuttered"


    What we should be talking about is this crazy statistic of "25% of female students and 5% of male students" in TCD had been subjected to an unwanted sexual experience. That is pretty mental


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    To be honest id be livid if I was a first year student forced to attend that sh*te. Its pretty much common sense what is consent and what is not. Most of us here have been well raised to know that 'no means no'. We do not need a class lecture on what is consent and what is not.

    She waves red signal flares at you - consent or not consent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The classes will be modelled on the consent courses that are now compulsory for first-year students at the Oxford and Cambridge universities in the UK.


    Godammit UK, stop doing stuff!


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    From the article quoted in the OP.
    Rice said the classes will be “promoted as mandatory” but that students will be able to leave once they begin.

    So no one is being forced to sit through a course. People can leave.

    I see no harm in talking about consent. I see no harm in educating both men and women about taking responsibility for their choices. I see no harm in helping people who will be trying to fit in to see that they don't have to agree to things they're not comfortable with. I see no harm in reminding people that persuasion is not seduction and persistence doesn't equal permission. I see no harm in talking about the ways mixed signals can be misinterpreted, and how clarity is important, for both genders.

    I see no harm in telling young men that there's nothing unusual about not drowning in sexual encounters all the time and that it doesn't make them a failure if they don't want casual sex. Or telling girls that being called a prude is better than doing things you feel you may regret. I see no harm in telling people that not only do they have a responsibility to be sure they hear 'yes', but that they also have a responsibility to clearly say 'no' if that's what they want.

    I don't think it's a bad idea at all. Even if it does no good for the majority, it's not going to do any harm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭Polka_Dot


    Is it possibly a reaction to the TCD SU survey that found that 25% of female and 5% of male students had been subjected to "an unwanted sexual experience". 1 in 4 females seems extremely high.

    I'd take the results of that survey with a pinch of salt. From what I remember, it was sent out to everyone in the SU weekly email, which a lot of people don't bother to read. People are more also likely to respond to the survey if they have had an unwanted sexual experience than if they hadn't. Also I'm not sure what exactly counted in that 25% (e.g. the survey asked about verbal harrassment)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    Is it possibly a reaction to the TCD SU survey that found that 25% of female and 5% of male students had been subjected to "an unwanted sexual experience". 1 in 4 females seems extremely high.

    Those surveys are ridiculous - very easy to skew results. Like even the USI survey from 2013 had only 2,750 respondents - not even 10% of UCD's student population.

    On a different note, why are universities leading the charge?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is it possibly a reaction to the TCD SU survey that found that 25% of female and 5% of male students had been subjected to "an unwanted sexual experience". 1 in 4 females seems extremely high.

    Is there a source for this?

    Trinity news article on it states 1,038 male and female taking part, but doesn't give a breakdown of numbers split between genders. I'm awful at maths, but.. given that there was 16,000+ students in TCD in 2013 , and 25% of the women that were polled, then it makes me wonder whether the actual figures of overall population is much lower than that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Have they introduced this safe space nonsense yet?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,776 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Seems like first year students, of any age, who are boarding in the Trinity Hall residence in Dartry, South Dublin are having to attend compulsory "Sexual Consent" workshops as part of their orientation programme.

    Yeeesh!!


    They're fairly late in the game teaching these workshops at third level aren't they?

    Primary school is the time that stuff should be taught, before most people become sexually active.

    Sure, a refresher course does absolutely no harm whatsoever, but it appears to be pointless IMO if it's done in isolation. Just seems like a token effort IMO.


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