quietest centrefire.

sniperman

hi folks,simple question....what would be the quietest centrefire mod combination?

davediesel

sniperman wrote: »

hi folks,simple question....what would be the quietest centrefire mod combination?

22 hornet with any good mod

ormondprop

Had a weihrauch hornet with an ase jet z mod and was fairly quiet as centrefires go

Double Barrel

http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml

deeksofdoom

I would say something in .22hornet with an ASE Jet Z moderator, they are probably the quietest, jet z are a little on the heavy side. Smaller case smaller bang.

But its probably more practical to get something in .223 as the ammo is cheaper and easier to get.

Grizzly 45

.300 whisper with a copy of an ASE can on a rifle made by a gunsmith here in Ireland.Damn thing is as quiet as a suppressed .22.

kelslat

17 hornet would be good to. It would be easier to pick up a 22 hornet I would say.

extremetaz

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

.300 whisper with a copy of an ASE can on a rifle made by a gunsmith here in Ireland.Damn thing is as quiet as a suppressed .22.

now that'd be quiet ... but also subsonic - so is it actually any use?

lakesider

extremetaz wrote: »

now that'd be quiet ... but also subsonic - so is it actually any use?

o course, yu could club the animal over the head wit it:pac:

Grizzly 45

The US military was considering it at one stage as a replacement round for the 5.56 NATO in the oughties. Its basically a 308 head sitting on a AK sized cartridige.Useability being used alot i the US as a mid round cartridige in deer and varmit hunting. IOW in the 30.30,7.62x39 category of things.As for use,well there will be a trade off always of quietness Vs range..All the easily suppressed rounds are subsonic to start off with .No one has developed the long range silent round yet.Abit of a solution looking for a problem.

meathstevie

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The US military was considering it at one stage as a replacement round for the 5.56 NATO in the oughties. Its basically a 308 head sitting on a AK sized cartridige.Useability being used alot i the US as a mid round cartridige in deer and varmit hunting. IOW in the 30.30,7.62x39 category of things.As for use,well there will be a trade off always of quietness Vs range..All the easily suppressed rounds are subsonic to start off with .No one has developed the long range silent round yet.Abit of a solution looking for a problem.

The good old Roman ballistae Grizzly, good range, quiet but poor accuracy...

gunny123

Go to the military arms channel on youtube and watch the fella shooting a replica of the ww2 Delisle carbine in .45 acp. The bullet striking the target is far louder than the actual report of the gun itself.

Cass

What have you got in mind that you're looking for something so quiet?

sniperman

Cass wrote: »

What have you got in mind that you're looking for something so quiet?

hi cass,just a move up from a hmr to center fire,maybe something with the same kind of noise level if there was anything like that? ps nothing sinister i can assure you that

Cass

Ah.

What you thinking off? Vermin or Deer? Maybe both?

Is the noise a big factor in your choice or just something you're mulling over?

Zxthinger

Obliviously you can go subsonic or sonic and tbh the availability of the ammo will be the deciding factor.
Besides that you would generally stay away from 'over bore' rounds.

Finally you'd select a calibre and moderator that work well together. I have always been led to believe that larger bores are harder to silence.

As others have asked.. What the task?.

sniperman

Zxthinger wrote: »

Obliviously you can go subsonic or sonic and tbh the availability of the ammo will be the deciding factor.
Besides that you would generally stay away from 'over bore' rounds.

Finally you'd select a calibre and moderator that work well together. I have always been led to believe that larger bores are harder to silence.

As others have asked.. What the task?.

the task would be foxing at night without causing to much of a disturbance to people that live near by,or to livestock etc

sniperman

Cass wrote: »

Ah.

What you thinking off? Vermin or Deer? Maybe both?

Is the noise a big factor in your choice or just something you're mulling over?

just vermin at night,yes noise is a factor as there are a few houses near by,and horses not to far away on another farm,need a center fire as quite as me .22 with subs:p

Cass

A good suppressor will reduce the heard report of a shot, but anything that is supersonic will create a crack. There is no way to stop this.

Using subsonic ammo, as the lads above have said, will greatly help reduce the sound as there is no supersonic crack produced. However some calibers using subsonic ammo are so bad that you're talking almost the same drop as with .22lr subsonics (something like 4 feet over 200 yards) not to mention penetration, energy, etc. IOW having say a .223 round that is subsonic would be almost identical to having your standard .22lr round so there is no advantage in going for a centrefire.

I'd look to a small varmint caliber and then do as much research as you can on suppressors. Which gives the best reduction, etc. Then go for that one and shoot away.

Grizzly 45

Re the supersonic crack.Oddly ,it will only happen if there is somthing in trhe way of the bullet as it passes to the target. The US army did an experiment on this years ago when silencers were becoming a big thing in Vietnam.They fired a silenced M14 past a line of telegraph poles on a disused railway line.The sonic crack could be heard every time the round passed a pole. So you might take your terrain into consideration too. If you are shooting on relatively flat non obstructed terrain you might get away with a silenced ,going supersonic round.

TBH the silencer as we know wont utterly silence a shot,but what it will do is obscure it so much that people or animals wont recognise it as a shot or be spooked by it.[Called the area of confusion by silencer maker types:pac:]So unless you are shooting directly in the horse paddock or under somones bedroom window[The area of location] its not going to be that aggressive in sound and the further away you are the more harder to discern exactly what that noise was becomes. A bang is lot less noticeable than a BOOM.
So again take into consideration what will be your absolute minimum distance you can shoot close to the houses or livestock and how far can you reach out and touch mr fox as well.

Bigger the caliber harder to silence? Quantative answer.It certainly can be done.People have silenced 50 BMGs and 20mm anti material rifles. But do you want to add a scaffolding pole worth of silencer in weight,size,and portability to an already 15 plus pound rifle?IOW is it worth doing ?

sniperman

thanks all for replys,some good advice as always.will take it all on board

One shot on kill

A 223 silenced is very quite and an ideal round for vermin aswell