At The Drive In - Vicar St - 26th March 2016

DrumSteve

Really really enjoyed that gig last night.

Those songs are amazing live and surprisingly, they were very tight. No **** ups bar playing 300mhrz at the wrong time.

Part of me would have loved to see Inertiatic esp live again but over all twas worth the effort.

lbj666

From the second the first riff hit for arc arsenal and Cedric started his trademark mucking about with the micstand i knew what form they would be in , savage gig best if seen if a few years.It was as close to their past glories as ya could have hoped for 15 years on.

Jims replacement stepped up to the plate.

To nit pick , its a pity the more of the crowd didn't know the vaya and in casino out stuff and rolodex propaganda wasn't played. I also was standing behind a lad who showed absolutely no emotion the entire gig who wrecked my head.

LizardKing82

lbj666 wrote: »

I also was standing behind a lad who showed absolutely no emotion the entire gig who wrecked my head.

Seriously?

What difference should that make to the show?

The majority of the crowd were going nuts and you allowed one guy (who probably wasnt a fan) to wreck your head!

Grayditch

I'm only getting my voice back now. Crowd was great. Few idiots throwing elbows head height that needed to be calmed down but mostly an incredible vibe.

lbj666

LizardKing82 wrote: »

Seriously?

What difference should that make to the show?

The majority of the crowd were going nuts and you allowed one guy (who probably wasnt a fan) to wreck your head!

Ha ok wreck my head it a bit too far, but he was one of these lads who you just couldnt stop noticing how indifferent he was to the whole thing. People like that are even more noticeable when everything is going off all round them.

lc180

hidinginthebush wrote: »

. Really enjoyed Le Butcherettes as well.

The lead singer was batsh*t crazy! I regret not going in earlier.

horseburger

lbj666 wrote: »

Ha ok wreck my head it a bit too far, but he was one of these lads who you just couldnt stop noticing how indifferent he was to the whole thing. People like that are even more noticeable when everything is going off all round them.

There are people who go to gigs, who opt to not inflict themselves on their fellow gig go-ers, and just prefer to watch the band play and listen to what they are playing.

Anyway, a lot of people who mosh, jump around or whatever at gigs, seem to do so, because they feel they have to, rather than it being a spontaneous uncontrollable reaction that they cannot suppress, as if being cast under a spell by the power of the music or whatever.:)

I mean, when has anyone ever been watching TV at home, or been in the cinema or whatever, or watching live music concerts on dvd or blu ray at home, or on a bus or train listening to music with earphones, and all of a sudden uncontrollably started circle-pitting, crowd surfing, wall of death-ing, slam dancing or moshing?:)

hidinginthebush

lc180 wrote: »

The lead singer was batsh*t crazy! I regret not going in earlier.

Big time. I've seen her twice before and she was actually the most tame I've seen her on Saturday if you can believe that.

lbj666

horseburger wrote: »

There are people who go to gigs, who opt to not inflict themselves on their fellow gig go-ers, and just prefer to watch the band play and listen to what they are playing.

Anyway, a lot of people who mosh, jump around or whatever at gigs, seem to do so, because they feel they have to, rather than it being a spontaneous uncontrollable reaction that they cannot suppress, as if being cast under a spell by the power of the music or whatever.:)

I mean, when has anyone ever been watching TV at home, or been in the cinema or whatever, or watching live music concerts on dvd or blu ray at home, or on a bus or train listening to music with earphones, and all of a sudden uncontrollably started circle-pitting, crowd surfing, wall of death-ing, slam dancing or moshing?:)

This lad didn;t even clap

Interesting thing was , they were very anti mosh pit, crowd surfing back in the day, think they warned people at the TBMC gig. It kinda of stems from the post hardcore fugazi style ethos of trying to have gigs as cheap as possible eg. less chance of injury cheaper to insure. I wasn't expecting Cedric to say anything about the crowd surfing, i presumed the €50 ticket price more than covered it.

hidinginthebush

lbj666 wrote: »

This lad didn;t even clap

Interesting thing was , they were very anti mosh pit, crowd surfing back in the day, think they warned people at the TBMC gig. It kinda of stems from the post hardcore fugazi style ethos of trying to have gigs as cheap as possible eg. less chance of injury cheaper to insure. I wasn't expecting Cedric to say anything about the crowd surfing, i presumed the €50 ticket price more than covered it.

He was actually crowd surfing himself at one of the London gigs!

Arghus

I thought it was a solid gig. I was worried beforehand that they may have been inclined to give a phoning it in type performance, but everything was tight and played with passion. I'm glad they kept it to eighty minutes: All killer, no filler.

Highlight, of a sort, for me was nearly getting trampled by Cedric as he was running/rampaging through the crowd. It was surreal. I was aware that he was in the audience - I could see the top of his big fuzzy afro, off to my left and moving at pace - he was about thirty feet away and then, extremely suddenly, the crowd parted and there he was. I scarcely had time to time to turn around. In my shock I muttered something like, "Oh, Hi Cedric", before I felt my nose crunch into his midriff somewhere, and I was dragged along in the momentum for a good twenty feet or so; trying desperately to right myself and not fall over with all the limbs and bodies of other fellow passengers adding to the confusion. It felt like he was one of those giant freighters plowing through a sea of people.

Have to agree with some of the other comments talking about the excitement levels of the crowd; it was good, but there were plenty of people who really did not seem that bothered about what was going on. I don’t understand it myself. Granted, not everyone wants intense physicality or violence at a gig - I certainly don't. But I do find it a bit odd that at a sold out gig, by a band playing loud and hard music, that so many people can just stand there and look completely nonplussed and unresponsive - with a facial expression that seems more appropriate for literally watching paint dry. I'm not asking for moshing - you know where to get that, if you want it - just a bit of a reaction somehow. I never, ever act aggressively at a gig, but I find it hard, maybe impossible, not to spontaneously start singing lyrics or moving around in response to the music, especially if it's music that I love. I don't do it to bother people, it can just feel like the right thing to do at the time. And being in a crowd where everyone is at it can really elevate the experience, sometimes even if the band on stage are having a night to forget. I've also been to gigs where I've known that the band has really been on form, but the crowd has been dead and lifeless, and it can make it a bit of a letdown. You need a marriage between a good performance and an atmosphere in the crowd for a top gig. I would expect people to more reactive to the music when it’s live: it’s a physical, sensual experience. You can’t compare it to watching a DVD at home. So, sometimes when I see people just standing like bored statues I do wonder: what brought them out tonight?

Wooderson

Good to see all the proper fans explaining to the rest of us how we should behave.

horseburger

Arghus wrote: »

I thought it was a solid gig. I was worried beforehand that they may have been inclined to give a phoning it in type performance, but everything was tight and played with passion. I'm glad they kept it to eighty minutes: All killer, no filler.

Highlight, of a sort, for me was nearly getting trampled by Cedric as he was running/rampaging through the crowd. It was surreal. I was aware that he was in the audience - I could see the top of his big fuzzy afro, off to my left and moving at pace - he was about thirty feet away and then, extremely suddenly, the crowd parted and there he was. I scarcely had time to time to turn around. In my shock I muttered something like, "Oh, Hi Cedric", before I felt my nose crunch into his midriff somewhere, and I was dragged along in the momentum for a good twenty feet or so; trying desperately to right myself and not fall over with all the limbs and bodies of other fellow passengers adding to the confusion. It felt like he was one of those giant freighters plowing through a sea of people.

Have to agree with some of the other comments talking about the excitement levels of the crowd; it was good, but there were plenty of people who really did not seem that bothered about what was going on. I don’t understand it myself. Granted, not everyone wants intense physicality or violence at a gig - I certainly don't. But I do find it a bit odd that at a sold out gig, by a band playing loud and hard music, that so many people can just stand there and look completely nonplussed and unresponsive - with a facial expression that seems more appropriate for literally watching paint dry. I'm not asking for moshing - you know where to get that, if you want it - just a bit of a reaction somehow. I never, ever act aggressively at a gig, but I find it hard, maybe impossible, not to spontaneously start singing lyrics or moving around in response to the music, especially if it's music that I love. I don't do it to bother people, it can just feel like the right thing to do at the time. And being in a crowd where everyone is at it can really elevate the experience, sometimes even if the band on stage are having a night to forget. I've also been to gigs where I've known that the band has really been on form, but the crowd has been dead and lifeless, and it can make it a bit of a letdown. You need a marriage between a good performance and an atmosphere in the crowd for a top gig. I would expect people to more reactive to the music when it’s live: it’s a physical, sensual experience. You can’t compare it to watching a DVD at home. So, sometimes when I see people just standing like bored statues I do wonder: what brought them out tonight?

Some people get as much from a gig by paying attention to the band they paid in to see, watching the band and listening to them, rather than moshing and crowd surfing.

Very often, those who are moshing and crowd surfing are more interested in the side show of moshing and crowd surfing, than actually listening to the band.

Those who like to listen to the band on stage, very often don't like getting distracted by the other side shows going on during gigs.

I wasn't comparing a gig to watching a live dvd at home. The point I was making, is that moshing is not spontaneous or uncontrollable. If it was spontaneous, people who mosh at gigs, would surely also mosh and circle pit and wall of death by themselves when watching dvds of the same bands?:)

Why do they feel they have to mosh at gigs and not in any other situations? Is it just that they'd look pretty silly without anyone else also moshing alongside them?

Arghus

horseburger wrote: »

Some people get as much from a gig by paying attention to the band they paid in to see, watching the band and listening to them, rather than moshing and crowd surfing.

Very often, those who are moshing and crowd surfing are more interested in the side show of moshing and crowd surfing, than actually listening to the band.

Those who like to listen to the band on stage, very often don't like getting distracted by the other side shows going on during gigs.

I wasn't comparing a gig to watching a live dvd at home. The point I was making, is that moshing is not spontaneous or uncontrollable. If it was spontaneous, people who mosh at gigs, would surely also mosh and circle pit and wall of death by themselves when watching dvds of the same bands?:)

Why do they feel they have to mosh at gigs and not in any other situations? Is it just that they'd look pretty silly without anyone else also moshing alongside them?

In my post I say I'm not talking about moshing. I'm talking about how people can seem unresponsive to music, even if it's been played right in front of them. And by responsive I mean anything from flailing about to even just tapping your leg or bobbing your head to the songs; as another poster said, some of the crowd couldn't even be bothered to clap. Personally, I find that a strangely dead and lifeless response.That's what I'm getting at.

Of course, people are entitled to behave whatever way they wish at a gig, provided it doesn't cause physical harm or ruin the enjoyment of others. And the guy standing there in silence could, of course, be a massive fan of a band; as opposed to the guy who is ostensibly really into it - but for whom it's all just another night out, same as any other.. But I do wonder, enthusiasm and interest are hard to suppress, so when I see faces that seem profoundly uninterested - even downright bored - are they puritanically taking it all in, or are they just not that bothered really?

horseburger

Arghus wrote: »

In my post I say I'm not talking about moshing. I'm talking about how people can seem unresponsive to music, even if it's been played right in front of them. And by responsive I mean anything from flailing about to even just tapping your leg or bobbing your head to the songs; as another poster said, some of the crowd couldn't even be bothered to clap. Personally, I find that a strangely dead and lifeless response.That's what I'm getting at.

Of course, people are entitled to behave whatever way they wish at a gig, provided it doesn't cause physical harm or ruin the enjoyment of others. And the guy standing there in silence could, of course, be a massive fan of a band; as opposed to the guy who is ostensibly really into it - but for whom it's all just another night out, same as any other.. But I do wonder, enthusiasm and interest are hard to suppress, so when I see faces that seem profoundly uninterested - even downright bored - are they puritanically taking it all in, or are they just not that bothered really?

People don't need to be moving or flailing about, banging into people beside them, to be enjoying a gig.

If someone is standing, watching and listening to the band, not clapping and not singing very badly and loudly into the ears of everyone around them, they are very likely paying more attention to the gig than people who are - if not moshing - then moving about in a choreographed, premeditated and deliberate fashion.

Perhaps a line dance would be more enjoyable?

Arghus

Perhaps it would.

Choreographed, premeditated and deliberate?

Does this include all forms of movement - inclusive of dancing? Or are we talking about assault or GBH?

horseburger

Arghus wrote: »

Perhaps it would.

Choreographed, premeditated and deliberate?

Does this include all forms of movement - inclusive of dancing? Or are we talking about assault or GBH?

I would not consider what people were doing at the gig as dancing.

I said that it was choreographed, premeditated and deliberate, because there is nothing improvised or spontaneous about activity like moshing, crowd surfing, wall of death-ing or circle pit-ing. Those who do these activities at gigs are not being carried away on some sort of positive high as a result of the music they are hearing at the gig.

They are just pushing and jumping up against each other, because they consider it the done thing, and in many cases, they do it with their backs to the stage and it looks pretty silly.

Peter File

So patrons who pay a lot of money to stand and enjoy the concert rather than mosh and charge and jump into people are being criticised. What is wrong with just going to a show and leaving others to enjoy the concert in peace

ts_editor

Arghus wrote: »

... when I see faces that seem profoundly uninterested - even downright bored - are they puritanically taking it all in, or are they just not that bothered really?

It could be.

One body of gig attenders, yet unmentioned here, are the +1s.
Those goodhearted friends of the fans who wouldn't otherwise be at the show because "no-one would go with me! "

Grayditch

I'd lost my friends within the first song, ha. Scattered everywhere.

seachto7

I always just stand and watch the band, even at metal gigs. I don't jump around and mosh and annoy people. Plus the fact that I'm not 15.

Arghus

So am I to understand that at gigs you have two choices: You either stand there; or just mosh?

No room for anything else in between those two extremes?

horseburger

Arghus wrote: »

So am I to understand that at gigs you have two choices: You either stand there, or just mosh? No room for anything else in between those two extremes?

What's in between, for people who want to jump up and down, crowd surf, or jump around, that doesn't involve banging and crashing into people who just want to watch and listen to the band, who may often be standing less than a foot away from people jumping around?

Arghus

horseburger wrote: »

What's in between, for people want to jump up and down, crowd surf, or jump around, that doesn't involve banging and crashing into people who just want to watch and listen to the band, who may often be standing less than a foot away from people jumping around?

I would say clapping a performance, if it's not too much? Or even occasionally singing along and displaying some sort of animation, could be considered somewhat in the middle between either extreme of knocking seven bells out of someone, or looking like you're about to go full on soporific.

When people talk about there being a good atmosphere in a crowd, what do you understand by that?

horseburger

Arghus wrote: »

I would say clapping a performance, if it's not too much? Or even occasionally singing along and displaying some sort of animation, could be considered somewhat in the middle between either extreme of knocking seven bells out of someone, or looking like you're about to go full on soporific.

When people talk about there being a good atmosphere in a crowd, what do you understand by that?

I would consider them singing in silence as more preferable to some dude 'singing' particularly badly.

A level of animation could be permitted, maybe if they don't extend their arms or legs beyond a 12 inch radius from themselves, from where they are standing.

Also, maybe some magnets on the floor - that if they stand in the one spot for 10 seconds, that the magnet activates and they can't leave that spot for the rest of the gig, and if they attempt to move to go to the bar, an electric shock of some sort would dissuade them from undertaking repeated attempts to move - if they attempt to go beyond a 12 inch radius - perhaps that would be an idea.

That way, you wouldn't get the assholes hoofing half full pints of beer into the crowd, which occurred on at least three occasions during At The Drive In.

Something like that - what do you reckon? Do you think that might work?

Arghus

Could take away from the experience.

Everythin coming up Milhouse

Over a page on gig etiquette? Really?

Anyway I thought the gig was great. The band were all on form, some of Omar's playing was insane and I didn't notice Jim Wards absence at all with the band and the majority of the crowd screaming his vocal parts anyway.

Highlights for me were Enfilade and Acarsenal. I would have loved to have heard something from Acrobatic Tenement (a very under rated album IMO) but I didn't really expect to.

I also got to touch Cedric's fro as he made his way through the crowd. Bit of a surreal moment. It was a lot more greasy than spongey though, not what I'd expect :-).

horseburger

Everythin coming up Milhouse wrote: »

Over a page on gig etiquette? Really?

Anyway I thought the gig was great. The band were all on form, some of Omar's playing was insane and I didn't notice Jim Wards absence at all with the band and the majority of the crowd screaming his vocal parts anyway.

Highlights for me were Enfilade and Acarsenal. I would have loved to have heard something from Acrobatic Tenement (a very under rated album IMO) but I didn't really expect to.

I also got to touch Cedric's fro as he made his way through the crowd. Bit of a surreal moment. It was a lot more greasy than spongey though, not what I'd expect :-).

Was touching his hair a sensual experience?:)

Do you reckon he applies much hair product to give his hair the extra bit of volume?

He did say he's 40 now, many lads are well bald by that stage, do you reckon it's all real?

phunkadelic

Returning to Vicar st on July 10th.
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Grayditch

Savage.