DIY eJuice thread

chipfox

Hey all, new user here. Nice to see a big Irish vaping community!

Anybody else make their own juices? Been at it about 6 weeks and saving so much money.

I've only tried out The Flavour Apprentice and Capella so far but I'm happy with most of the concentrates.

I figured I'd make a megathread to help everybody vape cheaper and try offer my experiences!

I've been buying VG and PG from Irish vendors (that I found on here) but the postage seems to be the big killer. Any good brick and mortar places that sell vape-grade stuff?

It's made how much you can save at the end of the day. Since I got my Kangertech Subox Mini I've been using the RBA they include to make my own coils and I love it. Every little helps

tommy2bad

Long time DIY'er here. Their used to be a recipe thread iirc lost to the vaults by now I suppose.
Their were no Irish suppliers when I started, had to order from Inawera in Poland. Still a bargain id you order in bulk.
http://www.inaweraflavours.com/en/
You can get VG in boots for about a fiver for 100ml but if your getting PG and a few flavors it's not worth it.

chipfox

I mess around with my own recipes mostly, nobody knows what I like better than me. Very time consuming though.

I think I'll have to stick with getting my VG/PG online. I'm always buying new concentrates and getting good deals from places listed here, probably handier to just do bundle orders, especially with the new regs on the nicotine concentrations.

8mm

Mixing is good fun and very rewarding I think.

If you have the head for it you soon get a good feel for the way flavours work together and their ratios etc. There's never really a bad juice but always the curiosity to tweak here and there with a wee bit of this or that flavour to see what effect it has.

Anyhow welcome to the forum and do post on whatever you get up to vape wise.

These mixer threads are semi-active:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057452494

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057493371

JH_raheny

Oops I think I accidentally reported your thread instead of posting a reply saying welcome to the forum

mewso

JH_raheny wrote: »

Oops I think I accidentally reported your thread instead of posting a reply saying welcome to the forum

Indeed you did but I enjoy a good head-scratcher from time to time.

JH_raheny

mewso wrote: »

Indeed you did but I enjoy a good head-scratcher from time to time.

Yeah you must have wondered wtf that was all about lol

chipfox

No worries lads, thanks for the welcome. I did dig back about 10 pages and didn't notice any DIY stuff so I thought i'd give this one a go.

I really feel like everybody needs to make their own juice. I know it might seem like a bit of a pain in the arse at first, and it can be at times but it's so cheap and you get what you want consistently. Steeping and breathing can be a pain and honestly sometimes I just can't wait.

I always bought healthierchoice brand and I think they have some fantastic flavours, but they leave them in the window and some are clear, some are almost brown, some have virtually no taste and others are generally hit and miss. I'm not bad mouthing them, I would love to clone some of their flavours but their quality control isn't there despite what they say.

I just about had it when I bought my last pack of Aspire BVC coils for my old penvape. No matter how many times I bought them only 2-3 out of the 5 pack would work. Brought it up with the managers many times and they did not give a crap, told me I was wrong.

Bought myself 25m of wire for a fiver and a big bag of organic cotton months back for cheaper than the price of 5 Aspire coils. Once you go DIY you will never go back.

Never tried Inawera yet but I have seem the name around and will give them a go. Just bought a few 30ml bottles from chefsvapour.co.uk there so I'm probably good for concentrates for a month or two. It's pretty addictive making juices though

8mm

After a huge amount of research I decided to mostly use FavourArt concentrates and get them direct from Italy. Lovely flavours and very natural tasting fruits and creams. Get a load ordered together and post is cheap - it's nice having the flavours to play with.

http://flavourart.com/en/store/flavors/

Also use The Flavor Apprentice concentrates to fill in the gaps and they are another quality producer. I get them from a Irish vendor.

http://picknmixdiy.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=60

For nicotine and pg/vg I get bulk from the UK. Great quality and prices, send via Parcel Motel (around 4 euro) and use free shipping for quite weighty products nice!

http://everythingliquid.co.uk/

Those 3 links are worth a lot of research time - hope it helps someone out.

chipfox

FlavoutArt are another one I have to check out. I started DIY from picknmix, got a starter kit off them! The juices are a good bit cheaper elsewhere though unfortunately.

I see the Flavour Apprentice site do pretty cheap bulk juices but I never joined the site. I'm trying to get to the stage where I can find what flavours I love and just get 100mls and do a few easy mixes.

Will probably stick with picknmix the 10ml samples are handy for 3 quid. I was spending 12 euro for 3 x 12ml juices from healthierchoice so I can't really complain.

I'd love to know how they make their banana. I got TFA Ripe Banana and honestly it's not the best. Smells great but tastes like window cleaner almost.

Will definitely try that site for bulk liquids, I'm flying through the PG/VG since I started making really low ohm coils, they guzzle the juices!

chipfox

8mm wrote: »

After a huge amount of research I decided to mostly use FavourArt concentrates and get them direct from Italy. Lovely flavours and very natural tasting fruits and creams. Get a load ordered together and post is cheap - it's nice having the flavours to play with.

http://flavourart.com/en/store/flavors/

Also use The Flavor Apprentice concentrates to fill in the gaps and they are another quality producer. I get them from a Irish vendor.

http://picknmixdiy.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=60

For nicotine and pg/vg I get bulk from the UK. Great quality and prices, send via Parcel Motel (around 4 euro) and use free shipping for quite weighty products nice!

http://everythingliquid.co.uk/

Those 3 links are worth a lot of research time - hope it helps someone out.

Hey 8mm could you talk me through the everythingliquid 4 euro postage? Never used parcel motel before and trying to figure it all out.

Need a heavy order of liquids!

8mm

Sure...

Set up an account on Parcel Motel and link it to your closest drop off point, usually a petrol station near a village. There's a map on their site showing where they are. You can also get a direct home delivery via Parcel Motel at extra cost. Also add your credit card to your PM account.

PM will give you a UK address that's in Northern Ireland with a unique code for yourself. Use this like it's your home address on shopping sites.

Order your gear at EL and select free shipping (orders over £45 last I used them). Put your PM address in as your shipping address. After a few days PM will notify you that you have a parcel and when it can be picked up - they charge €4 to your CC. You get a 4 digit code that you use to open a box at the pickup location you chose.

chipfox

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply mate. I couldn't make heads or tails of PM. I couldn't really understand how the UK address was actually a ROI one and that had me really confused...

Flying through the VG and really need some nic before that law comes in.

chipfox

Thanks so much for taking the time to reply mate. I couldn't make heads or tails of PM. I couldn't really understand how the UK address was actually a ROI one and that had me really confused...

Flying through the VG and really need some nic before that law comes in.

Thecageyone

Never tried any DIY, and don't really want to get heavy into it or anything. But I wouldn't mind dipping into something simple, like buying ready mix PG/VG/nic, and just adding flavour concentrates.

If say I buy a ready mix from Cloudhouse, of 20/80 PG/VG at 3mg nic, and just want to add flavour to make up a 30ml bottle, won't adding say 15% flavouring alter the ratio of PG/VG + the nic level?

Thecageyone

Never tried any DIY, and don't really want to get heavy into it or anything. But I wouldn't mind dipping into something simple, like buying ready mix PG/VG/nic, and just adding flavour concentrates.

If say I buy a ready mix from Cloudhouse, of 20/80 PG/VG at 3mg nic, and just want to add flavour to make up a 30ml bottle, won't adding say 15% flavouring alter the ratio of PG/VG + the nic level? What do you do in this case? Get 6mg ready mix, and max VG to balance it out?

8mm

Thecageyone wrote: »

Never tried any DIY, and don't really want to get heavy into it or anything. But I wouldn't mind dipping into something simple, like buying ready mix PG/VG/nic, and just adding flavour concentrates.

If say I buy a ready mix from Cloudhouse, of 20/80 PG/VG at 3mg nic, and just want to add flavour to make up a 30ml bottle, won't adding say 15% flavouring alter the ratio of PG/VG + the nic level? What do you do in this case? Get 6mg ready mix, and max VG to balance it out?

Yes this is the problem with premixed bases.

Usually flavour is held in PG. So your 20/80/3mg base with 15% flavour is now a 32/68/2.55mg mix. It's not a million miles off.

If your feeling the need to have a perfectly balanced mix you may as well just get some small separated amounts of PG VG and NIC.

Thecageyone

8mm wrote: »

Yes this is the problem with premixed bases.

Usually flavour is held in PG. So your 20/80/3mg base with 15% flavour is now a 32/68/2.55mg mix. It's not a million miles off.

If your feeling the need to have a perfectly balanced mix you may as well just get some small separated amounts of PG VG and NIC.

Yeah it's the nic I don't really want hanging about, rather just use ready made at least to start. I noticed on there after posting, that you can actually order it at 15/85. Which must be to counter the flavour. And 6mg would be grand, as I'll vape either 3 or 6, so in between is good enough.

8mm

If you do go for 15/85/6mg you could get an extra bottle of VG.

To make an exact 3mg mix:

50% 15/85/6mg base
35% VG
15% Flavour

This ends up 22.5 PG - 77.5 VG - 3mg NIC

Should be more cost effective too.

chipfox

Kind of seems like more effort than just buying the individual bits, especially if the flavour is too strong or weak. Some flavours can be strong at 1%, others you need 15% to really taste it. Those juice calculators make it a no brainer, but whatever's handiest

youdipstick

Pick n mix doing Pre-Steeped Concentrates now €3.60 for 10ml.




We now have 10 of our suggested recipes available in 10 ml premixed bottles of concentrate,so you can now try the recipes without having to buy all the flavors needed,we will be adding more soon.
All bottles have percentage to use printed on bottle.
Now Available in 10ml bottles..


Dragons Blood
Key Lime Cheescake
Kool Tropical
Beach Yogurt
Banoffee
Coconut Cream
Berry Loupe
Mothers Milk
Banana Swirl
Sucker Punch


Can anyone recommend any of these recipes...

Thecageyone

chipfox wrote: »

Kind of seems like more effort than just buying the individual bits, especially if the flavour is too strong or weak. Some flavours can be strong at 1%, others you need 15% to really taste it. Those juice calculators make it a no brainer, but whatever's handiest

Not really. It's one bottle, the one I looked at for example is a 500ml for less than €20, the same site has 5x 5ml flavours for €9. I'm just pondering on the ratios, which I'm flexible enough on once it doesn't dip below a certain VG level. It would save me an ass load of money and hassle in the long run if I started to plan ahead for steeping.

chipfox

Any DIY is 10 times better than buying the stuff anyway. I'm only mixing a few months now and burn through the juice but it still doesn't cost me more than a euro a day.

I wouldn't worry all that much about the steeping. Any fruit flavours I make do not get any better or worse after any amount of time. The only flavour I've noticed to improve so far is TFA's vanilla custard. Even all their creams (with the exception of Bavarian) taste pretty much identical after a mix and shake compared to a 2 week steep.

Some swear by it though, but I've never noticed anything that would convince me to leave it sitting there for weeks.

PHUNDAPUSS

can anybody help me, I started vaping No Match Contender. and cant get enough of it, but its too expensive to keep buying i have tried to match the favour, i have tried whip cream and pineapple. any ideas also anybody have a recipe for the bomp pop stuff.. thanks

perfectisthe

youdipstick wrote: »

Pick n mix doing Pre-Steeped Concentrates now €3.60 for 10ml.




We now have 10 of our suggested recipes available in 10 ml premixed bottles of concentrate,so you can now try the recipes without having to buy all the flavors needed,we will be adding more soon.
All bottles have percentage to use printed on bottle.
Now Available in 10ml bottles..


Dragons Blood
Key Lime Cheescake
Kool Tropical
Beach Yogurt
Banoffee
Coconut Cream
Berry Loupe
Mothers Milk
Banana Swirl
Sucker Punch


Can anyone recommend any of these recipes...

I've tried the Mothers Milk and the Banoffee. Both are very nice. I preferred the Banoffee, although it is quite heavy on the banana flavour.

youdipstick

perfectisthe wrote: »

I've tried the Mothers Milk and the Banoffee. Both are very nice. I preferred the Banoffee, although it is quite heavy on the banana flavour.

Thanks Perfect I'll check out that Banoffee,in the end,I decided to stay with the devil I know,I bought a load of concentrate flavours from Mount Baker Vapor which I know is very nice.

youdipstick

PHUNDAPUSS wrote: »

can anybody help me, I started vaping No Match Contender. and cant get enough of it, but its too expensive to keep buying i have tried to match the favour, i have tried whip cream and pineapple. any ideas also anybody have a recipe for the bomp pop stuff.. thanks

Maybe this will help http://www.kritikalmass.net/products.asp?cat=Clone+Recipes

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/350kul/solid_list_of_diy_clones/

PHUNDAPUSS

these are great, thanks

chipfox

Just ordered 500ml of 72mg/ml nic. That everythingliquid site is seriously good. Wonder will they keep doing the nicotine after the new laws.

Everywhere is out of Vanilla Custard in big amounts I'm seriously stuck! Haven't made such a nice mix since my very first. Strawberry Ripe and Vanilla Custard from TFA are too good. No wonder the Mother's Milk clone uses them!

Thecageyone

What concentrates are the best to try out? how do you know if a concentrate is best at 10, or 15%? Are all concentrates inter-mixable? Do you need sweetener also?

noob questions, I know.

Thecageyone

What concentrates are the best to try out? I see TFA bandied about a lot, I take it this is 'The flavour apprentice'?

how do you know if a concentrate is best at 10, or 15%? Are all concentrates inter-mixable? Like say I want a banana cream custard, are all banana/custard/fresh cream concentrates inter-mixable without issue? It's a matter of just getting the % right?

Do you need sweetener also?

noob questions, I know. I will be going the pre-mix base route if I do try it out, I don't want anything complicated, I'm happy enough to have a mix made up for me and just worry about the flavours It's just dipping my toes in, if it worked out well then I would certainly look to making up bases myself.

The TFA concentrates are 4.99 per 15ml, so 5 of these would cover me for about 600ml juice - I would want to make up some banana cream/custard like I say, and maybe a strawberry cheesecake

jno547

Thecageyone wrote: »

What concentrates are the best to try out? how do you know if a concentrate is best at 10, or 15%? Are all concentrates inter-mixable? Do you need sweetener also?

noob questions, I know.

I've tried various recipes using Capella,Flavorart and Flavorapprentice concentrates which are very good but the end result just didn't appeal to me except one,The Milk,which is in the recipe thread and one that was a very nice vape.
Now I use the T juice concentrate from ezsmoke and Vampirevape from Pickandmix,I add 15% to the base so one 30 ml concentrate gives me 200ml juice. There is a good selection to choose from in each of those concentrates and a steep for about 5 days leaves them ready to vape.
Cloudhouse also do a big range of MBV concentrate and some of them are very nice but they also can require a 6/8 week steep for the flavour to come through but well worth a look. The MBV range is good for me with about a 20% mix.

Thecageyone

jno547 wrote: »

I've tried various recipes using Capella,Flavorart and Flavorapprentice concentrates which are very good but the end result just didn't appeal to me except one,The Milk,which is in the recipe thread and one that was a very nice vape.
Now I use the T juice concentrate from ezsmoke and Vampvape from Pickandmix,I add 15% to the base so one 30 ml concentrate gives me 200ml juice. There is a good selection to choose from in each of those concentrates and a steep for about 5 days leaves them ready to vape.
Cloudhouse also do a big range of MBV concentrate and some of them are very nice but they also can require a 6/8 week steep for the flavour to come through but well worth a look. The MBV range is good for me with about a 20% mix.

Nice, I hadn't seen the recipe thread, will have to sift through that one. To start off my plan was to make a strawberry cheesecake, similar to Beard Vape's #05 - one where I could then simply substitute the strawberry for banana. So the ingredients will be the exact same pretty much bar those flavours. And maybe even a mix of both.


So looks like I need Graham cracker, cheesecake, a milky/cream like Bavarian cream, a good strawberry and banana and probably some vanilla. If I could get them all from the one source it would be sweet [hur]

jno547

There are some very good diy recipe sites available,I can't post links at the moment but 'youdipstick' linked some in another post here I think recently.
I can recommend Vampirevape Strawberry Milkshake as a good alternative to Beard 05..

Thecageyone

Here's one I found on the site youdipstick posted:

Cheesecake Graham Crust (TPA): 4%
Cheesecake (OoO): 4%
Malted Milk (TPA or OoO): 5%
Sweet Strawberry (TPA): 12%
Vanilla Custard (TFA):6%

12% sweet strawberry? wow ... that's quite a lot

I'm not sure what "OoO" is, but if I just substitute these for TFA I'll get close enough

chipfox

Not noob questions at all, the information out there isn't so clear. I tend to just try individual flavours to figure out what % I like and them mix them after I have an idea. Sometimes they're ****, sometimes I find something I'd vape every day.

TFA is The Flavour (Perfumer's) Apprentice, sometimes called TPA. They're my favourite but I've only tried about 20 concentrates. They have some bad flavours too... Flavour Art and Capella are up there too.

On websites I've seen people make blanket statements like use 10-15% concentrate. If you used 10% Banana Ripe from TFA if wouldn't matter how much cream or custard you added, all you'd taste is banana, and terrible banana at that. I would strongly, strongly recommend never touching TFA's Banana Ripe. Even 1% overpowers anything and it still tastes like garbage. Don't waste your money. Flavour Arts banana is what you want. Haven't tried any others yet but I'm sure other companies do good banana. I think TFA actually do a Banana Cream but I haven't tried it, and if they use Banana Ripe to make it, I personally wouldn't go near it. I'd start with TFA's Bavarian Cream and Flavor Art Banana.

I bought sweetener (ethyl maltol) a few weeks back and haven't gotten around to using it. I got it with the intention of trying to make TFA's Rapsberry and TFA's Banana Ripe less terrible but I've too much other stuff to mess around with. I'm still learning but having fun, and it's pretty cheap so.

A good rule of thumb, make 5% solutions of any concentrate you make. You'll quickly know what's too strong and what's too weak.

Reddits /r/DIY_ejuice is a good resource, I think it was linked earlier.

Haven't tried TFA's sweet strawberry but I flew through their Ripe Strawberry. You need a lot of it (10%+ for me) but it's a really nice strawberry. Capella's Sweet Strawberry and Flavor Art's Strawberry are very very sweet by comparison.

I've tried TFA's graham cracker too, kind of a nice warm biscuity taste. I always mix it with their Cinnamon Danish Swirl and it tastes a bit like ginger snaps. Not sure what graham cracker is to be honest I think it's an American thing but it's nice stuff. Never really use more than 3%

Thecageyone

Some good tips there, cheers.

Graham cracker is an american thing yeah, I always think of it like a harder, more biscuity version of the wafers we'd use here for ice cream. A bit like the wafer on a cornetto. I can see why it's used for cheesecake and ice cream juices.

It was the banana cream from TFA I was going to try, I'll switch that to FA banana so. I thought banana would be the strongest flavouring alright, just a nice hint of it is all I need.

chipfox

Maybe it's just me but honestly it tastes like some really weird banana vodka or something. You can see why they call it Banana Ripe just because you can kind of get that really old brown banana taste off it but it's such god awful stuff. Might be nice to mix with other banana concentrates but I'm not quite there yet. Ruined a good few mixes even using as low as 2%. If you exhale through your nose it smell/tastes all right but it's not nice in the mouth.

Still learning about the creams for the moment. I find Bavarian Cream kind of mild but I never really use it over 3%. Seems to take a few days to mix properly. Sweet cream is fairly strong even at 3%. This is why I hate when sites say use 5-15% of everything. Everyone is so different. I mix all my creams with Greek Yoghurt anyway. I'm probably not the best mixer but I feel like you don't learn anything unless you mess around and make some crap mixes. You'll never find the right ones for you if you don't

Thecageyone

I guess using 15% say, as where you want to be round-about, then break the individual flavours down within that mark, is where people pull that number from. But already looking around I've seen mixes ranging from 9% to well over 20%. Trial and error is something I never mind, I do that when cooking all the time I'll make pancakes tomorrow and I won't measure a thing, I just know my mix. It's the same type thing right?

Looks like my starting set will consist of Bavarian cream, graham cracker, strawberry, banana, maybe vanilla custard or cheesecake, and now you have me thinking on yogurt! what yogurt do you use?

Thecageyone

double post central here tonight!

AngryDiMaria

Thecageyone wrote: »

I guess using 15% say, as where you want to be round-about, then break the individual flavours down within that mark, is where people pull that number from. But already looking around I've seen mixes ranging from 9% to well over 20%. Trial and error is something I never mind, I do that when cooking all the time I'll make pancakes tomorrow and I won't measure a thing, I just know my mix. It's the same type thing right?

Looks like my starting set will consist of Bavarian cream, graham cracker, strawberry, banana, maybe vanilla custard or cheesecake, and now you have me thinking on yogurt! what yogurt do you use?

Fookin starving after reading your post

jno547

Thecageyone wrote: »

Here's one I found on the site youdipstick posted:

Cheesecake Graham Crust (TPA): 4%
Cheesecake (OoO): 4%
Malted Milk (TPA or OoO): 5%
Sweet Strawberry (TPA): 12%
Vanilla Custard (TFA):6%

12% sweet strawberry? wow ... that's quite a lot

I'm not sure what "OoO" is, but if I just substitute these for TFA I'll get close enough

If you want something very good and an easy mix try this from JH

Irish Cream with a hint of French Vanilla
Concentrates:
Capella French Vanilla 1%
Capella Irish cream 9%
and mix with:
PG/VG/Nic 90% ( obviously you vary this to your desired nic. strenght and PG/VG ratio

Steeping/shaking/airing takes 2-3 weeks

bd2012

Thecageyone wrote: »

I guess using 15% say, as where you want to be round-about, then break the individual flavours down within that mark, is where people pull that number from. But already looking around I've seen mixes ranging from 9% to well over 20%. Trial and error is something I never mind, I do that when cooking all the time I'll make pancakes tomorrow and I won't measure a thing, I just know my mix. It's the same type thing right?

Looks like my starting set will consist of Bavarian cream, graham cracker, strawberry, banana, maybe vanilla custard or cheesecake, and now you have me thinking on yogurt! what yogurt do you use?

I've a nice strawberry cheesecake recipe here. All TFA I think bar the NY cheesecake (Capella) I think. Haven't made it in a while and I'm away from my recipe notebook

NY Cheesecake 8%
Graham cracker 3%
Bavarian cream 2%
Strawberry ripe 8%
Might need tweaking to taste and definitely gets better after 3-4 weeks steeping. I've given it to others to try too and the reaction has been very good. Very similar to beard. 5

Thecageyone

Yeah something like that sounds good to me, I'd also like to mix up what they call a shake and vape one. Like a banana custard.

But strawberry cheesecake/milkshake is definitely one I will try.

bd2012

Thecageyone wrote: »

Yeah something like that sounds good to me, I'd also like to mix up what they call a shake and vape one. Like a banana custard.

But strawberry cheesecake/milkshake is definitely one I will try.

I've found (now others may disagree) that anything with custard or cream in it really does need a good steep, custards particularly benefit from at least 3-4 weeks unless you're speed steeping them

jno547

bd2012 wrote: »

I've found (now others may disagree) that anything with custard or cream in it really does need a good steep, custards particularly benefit from at least 3-4 weeks unless you're speed steeping them

Very true,the longer steep the better the quality for these flavours.

Thecageyone

What is good to go for in a quick steep juice? I'd like to do a couple of custard types and let them steep, but have one ready to go to start off.

bd2012

Thecageyone wrote: »

What is good to go for in a quick steep juice? I'd like to do a couple of custard types and let them steep, but have one ready to go to start off.

Most fruit mixes seem to be shake n Vape. As is menthol I think. Just the creams and the custards (and tobaccos) really benefit from steeping. All of this just my experience though. Others may vary!

chipfox

Same experience as me mostly. I will note that once I believe the Ripe Strawberry tastes a bit stronger after a few weeks, but I mean realistically you can add 2% for a few cents extra and save the wait.

There are so many different concentrates you can't really be a pro with all of them. TFA's Sweet Cream doesn't need a steep in my opinion, but TFA's Vanilla Custard gets noticeably better after a week. Bavarian Cream seems to work like that too.

You'll also notice that the juices start to turn brown which is a rough indicator of how the taste is progressing. This browning is NOT nicotine oxidising. Wherever this idea came from, it's a straight up lie. Have a passionfruit / blueberry mix sitting beside me that I made 6 weeks ago. Kind of went of it. Lots of concentrates in this one, 12mg nic, clear as water, not a tinge of yellow. All my strawberry custard mixes have a tiny hint of yellow the day I mix, and after about a week they change very noticeably.

Just bought myself a pocket jewellery scales and I'm about to do my first mix by weight. No more syringes for me lads, just drip drip drip drip, got the weight I want. Shake it up, job done. This could not be easier. Anybody still using syringes and painfully cleaning them each time does not know what they're missing!

Thecageyone

On the creams, bavarian, sweet, whipped etc ... I'm guessing when I see recipes with one or other used, I can just sub another that I may have in? I'm sure there's differences, but they do the same type of job really. Especially when they're not the main ingredient, more a sweetener.

chipfox

I don't see any reason you couldn't but really they do taste fairly different. I only have Sweet and Bavarian and they're not really similar at all. I just got Bavarian because it seems like every single mixer in the world uses it, but it's rarely a main flavour by itself, always added to something else.

Oh and yeah I use TFA's Greek Yoghurt (I think you asked about it earlier). I'd say it tastes exactly like the name says. I use it a lot in creamy mixes just because that's what I was expecting. You'll get there!