UPDATED: Buses not to be banned from College Green

monument

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Schadenfreudia

magicbastarder wrote: »

maybe i'm missing something here, but GDP is not 'captured by the state'.

You are. I'm clearly referring to all State revenues in taxes (however named) as a % of national GDP.

germany's GNP (now rechristened GNI, it seems) per capita is higher than ireland's.

I said GDP, not GNP or even GNI.

Irish GDP per capita is significantly higher than Germany's, roughly €51k v €46.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Schadenfreudia

monument wrote: »

Just to be clear here: Metro North and Luas Cross City were planned as standalone projects.

Them sharing a small and very central section of route is only noteworthy because too many people here seem be be oblivious to the fact metro and tram lines share such stretches in many other cities to the point of it being as common as muck.

In a city where PT infrastructure investment is nowhere near "European norms" I find the notion that the existence of Luas Cross City will not provide a handy political excuse to not proceed with MN dubious, to say the least.

Regarding " being as common as muck", the same could be said of metro systems - of which Dublin has absolutely none - despite decades of waffle and planning and debating and "promises".

Just to be clear here: Metro North and Luas Cross City were planned as standalone projects.

Eventually, but my memory of the early days was that MN was originally to function as the link between the two Luas lines; the current MN came later.

monument

Ireland's GDP has rocketed since the 1990.

Transport infrastructure is a long term thing and Germany was a lot richer than us for years.

In recent boom years more could have been spent on trams, metros etc, but wenh we were spending the new-found money the priority was road.

Schadenfreudia

Like many countries in the West, Germany did it's public transport infrastructural heavy-lifting in the 1950s to 1970s....look at Italy or America.

But we never got around to doing it in Dublin!

And we are still way behind the curve, even as Germany gets a bit rusty.

Carawaystick wrote: »

Germany has a much more outrageous welfare system where the states take some of your income to give it to believers in sky faeries so they build gold plated mansions

We are in danger of veering way off College Green, but sheer curiosity compels me to ask what "believers in sky faeries so they build gold plated mansions" are? :eek:

Schadenfreudia

monument wrote: »

Ireland's GDP has rocketed since the 1990.

Transport infrastructure is a long term thing and Germany was a lot richer than us for years.

In recent boom years more could have been spent on trams, metros etc, but wenh we were spending the new-found money the priority was road.

Apart from a few years during the boom we spent, and are now spending, a smaller proportion of our GDP on transport infrastructure (and physical infrastructure in general) than almost any other country in the OECD - and this is especially true today.

I read that in the SPB - so I'm sure it's right

Carawaystick

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

We are in danger of veering way off College Green, but sheer curiosity compels me to ask what "believers in sky faeries so they build gold plated mansions" are? :eek:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/world/europe/vatican-suspends-german-bishop-known-for-spending.html?_r=0

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474661/Bling-bishop-26million-mansion-sparked-outraged-Germany-sacked-Pope-Francis.html


Has anyone got a link to the traffic management plans for College green as it is?

LXFlyer

Carawaystick wrote: »

Has anyone got a link to the traffic management plans for College green as it is?

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/major-changes-proposed-in-dublin-city-transport-study-quays-college-green-suffolk-street-public-consultation-june-11-july-16/

http://www.dublincity.ie/TransportStudy

monument

The draft detailed part 8 designs and related reports for College Green which were rejected (or at lease the approval was postponed) by city councillors can I think only be found at the end of this article:

http://irishcycle.com/2015/11/07/confirmed-college-green-dame-st-plan-continues-mixing-buses-and-bikes/

Schadenfreudia

lxflyer wrote: »

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/major-changes-proposed-in-dublin-city-transport-study-quays-college-green-suffolk-street-public-consultation-june-11-july-16/

Spot the odd-man-out?

Dublin City Centre Transport Study proposes major changes to ensure city continues to function efficiently and accommodate future growth

• €150 million NTA investment in public transport forecast

• Public transport, cycling and pedestrian only links along North and South

• Quays and at College Green plus pedestrianisation of Suffolk Street and St. Stephen’s Green North

• Increases in public transport capacity plus implementation of city wide cycle network

New interchange hubs, bridges, coach and taxi facilities to ease city flow

:mad:

Carawaystick

lxflyer wrote: »

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/major-changes-proposed-in-dublin-city-transport-study-quays-college-green-suffolk-street-public-consultation-june-11-july-16/

http://www.dublincity.ie/TransportStudy

I'm looking for the current plans, what is in place now during the works.

There does not seem to much consideration given for cyclists looking at the rpa press releasees

LXFlyer

They're a moving feast depending upon where work is being carried out - there's nothing specific other than what's on the LUAS cross city website.

What exactly are you expecting to find?

Carawaystick

A formal plan stating the work to be done
The time it will take,
The lane changes/closures planned,
A safety statement outlining how the plan is a safe one
And a responsible person accountable for delivery of the plan

bruno1x

lxflyer wrote: »

They're a moving feast depending upon where work is being carried out - there's nothing specific other than what's on the LUAS cross city website.

What exactly are you expecting to find?

Council workers would not have the brass neck of those working on LUAS cross city, for every one man working there is at least 5 standing around doing nothing, have personally counted on one occasion 1 man working while 25 standing around doing SFA.

prinzeugen

monument wrote: »

The draft detailed part 8 designs and related reports for College Green which were rejected (or at lease the approval was postponed) by city councillors can I think only be found at the end of this article:

http://irishcycle.com/2015/11/07/confirmed-college-green-dame-st-plan-continues-mixing-buses-and-bikes/

Where did you get the plans from? You wrote the article. Looking for clicks?

monument

prinzeugen wrote: »

monument wrote: »

The draft detailed part 8 designs and related reports for College Green which were rejected (or at lease the approval was postponed) by city councillors can I think only be found at the end of this article:

http://irishcycle.com/2015/11/07/confirmed-college-green-dame-st-plan-continues-mixing-buses-and-bikes/

Where did you get the plans from? You wrote the article. Looking for clicks?

I'd prefer if councils were more transparent and published all files and reports under any discussion or, at the very least, publish reports presented to public council meeting, but they don't.

Look, if you want, you're welcome to link to each individual PDF file and I'll delete the link to the article so no hits will be counted -- it's not my fault nobody else has uploaded the files.

Banjoxed

bruno1x wrote: »

Council workers would not have the brass neck of those working on LUAS cross city, for every one man working there is at least 5 standing around doing nothing, have personally counted on one occasion 1 man working while 25 standing around doing SFA.

You should have gone up and wagged your finger at them. That would show them.