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Rejoice - Infosys creates 250 jobs in Dublin....but what about AIB ?

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  • 07-12-2015 9:02pm
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    Ally Dick
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    AIB are currently getting rid of their permanent IT staff and sending all the work to Infosys, an Indian outsource company. Meanwhile Infosys "create" 250 jobs in Dublin, and big thick Enda is all smiles......what's really happening is that Infosys are getting the AIB work, sending 250 Indians over to Dublin and 250 permanent AIB staff lose their jobs. Well done Enda. Result !


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    #2
    AnonoBoy
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    And stamps to Santy cost 70c too.

    Curse you Enda!


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    #3
    kneemos
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    There's a reason we don't see Enda very often.


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    KERSPLAT!
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    Any link OP?


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    Dravokivich
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    AIB are currently getting rid of their permanent IT staff and sending all the work to Infosys, an Indian outsource company. Meanwhile Infosys "create" 250 jobs in Dublin, and big thick Enda is all smiles......what's really happening is that Infosys are getting the AIB work, sending 250 Indians over to Dublin and 250 permanent AIB staff lose their jobs. Well done Enda. Result !

    Eh... What makes you think its 250 people coming in from India? There's a lot of foreign businesses in the it sector here, but I'd be surprised if they imported their workforce.


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    Nodin
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    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Any link OP?

    "The Indian-owned consulting and technology firm Infosys intends to create 250 new jobs over the next three years in Ireland to develop new technologies and support innovation in global financial institutions.
    The expansion will see Infosys create up to 95 roles at its first dedicated product-centric research and development centre outside India, and open a second Irish facility to house up to 155 people who will provide IT services to Infosys clients."

    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/1207/751811-infosys-jobs/

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    AIB has said no redundancies will result from its plans to outsource a number of services within its application development and maintenance division.
    The bank this morning briefed staff in the division about plans to outsource a number of services to WIPRO and Infosys.
    “We will now enter into a formal consultation process with employee representatives. There will be no redundancies,” a spokeswoman for the bank said.
    Finance union IBOA said it was disappointed with the bank’s decision to proceed with the outsourcing of work."
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/aib-says-no-redundancies-will-result-from-outsourcing-plan-1.2271046

    If they do plan to shaft their IT dept, they haven't done it as of yet. Having witnessed outsourcing in action I can safely say its not nessecarily efficient or cost effective. It has occurred to me that it might often occur as much to make somebody like an "ideas guy" or "innovator" as be an actually constructive exercise, but I am rather a cynical fecker.


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    Nodin
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Eh... What makes you think its 250 people coming in from India? There's a lot of foreign businesses in the it sector here, but I'd be surprised if they imported their workforce.

    ....certainly not all of them.


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    questionmark?
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    Ya it's called outsourcing but do you really think they are bringing over 250 Indians to Dublin to do the work? Do you think every foreign company in Ireland only hires people from their home company or something? It's a good thing that the jobs weren't lost to India but are staying in Ireland.


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    Ally Dick
    Registered Users Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    RTE will report on the good news but nobody in the media will ever try and establish WHO got the jobs. I think it's a sneaky exercise to get Indians in on the sly to leech even more Irish jobs


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    KERSPLAT!
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    AIB are currently getting rid of their permanent IT staff and sending all the work to Infosys, an Indian outsource company. Meanwhile Infosys "create" 250 jobs in Dublin, and big thick Enda is all smiles......what's really happening is that Infosys are getting the AIB work, sending 250 Indians over to Dublin and 250 permanent AIB staff lose their jobs. Well done Enda. Result !

    So is this true or bullsh!t? I assume the latter.


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    Ally Dick
    Registered Users Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    So is this true or bullsh!t? I assume the latter.

    We'll see. There's definitely something sneaky going on


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    Stheno
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    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    So is this true or bullsh!t? I assume the latter.

    Bull**** id say, contravenes TUPE regulations for a start


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    kneemos
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    Are the AIB crew on contracts?
    Hard to just get rid of them if not.


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    KERSPLAT!
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    We'll see. There's definitely something sneaky going on

    Why are you stating something that has not happened, nor has been reported will happen, as fact?


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    SEPT 23 1989
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    Cowboys


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    Ally Dick
    Registered Users Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    Stheno wrote: »
    Bull**** id say, contravenes TUPE regulations for a start

    True. AIB will offer voluntary redundancy or transitioning to Wipro under TUPE which only offers 2 years protection, but whatever way you cut it, the jobs are screwed


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    Stheno
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    True. AIB will offer voluntary redundancy or transitioning to Wipro under TUPE which only offers 2 years protection, but whatever way you cut it, the jobs are screwed

    So is it Infosys or Wipro who aib are outsourcing to?


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    Amirani
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    Sort of strange that this happened pre-privatisation. Sort of rules hampers any acquisition of AIB by another banking group if they're tied into an IT contract.


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    Ally Dick
    Registered Users Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    Stheno wrote: »
    So is it Infosys or Wipro who aib are outsourcing to?

    Both


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    Nodin
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    RTE will report on the good news but nobody in the media will ever try and establish WHO got the jobs. I think it's a sneaky exercise to get Indians in on the sly to leech even more Irish jobs

    So some crowd have been shipping in Indians en masse before? Who, exactly?


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    KERSPLAT!
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    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    Why are you stating something that has not happened, nor has been reported will happen, as fact?

    You might have missed this Ally, any response? Or is this more I'll informed nonsense?


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    AnonoBoy
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Cowboys

    Jaysus - they're importing cowboys to take our ranching jobs too now are they?

    The sneaky feckers.


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    darkpagandeath
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    Nodin wrote: »
    So some crowd have been shipping in Indians en masse before? Who, exactly?

    I think or hope they mean outsourcing..


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    The Backwards Man
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    Cowboys and Indians, no less


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    Valetta
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    RTE will report on the good news but nobody in the media will ever try and establish WHO got the jobs. I think it's a sneaky exercise to get Indians in on the sly to leech even more Irish jobs

    Nice bit of racism there.


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    Corpus Twisty
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    Valetta wrote: »
    Nice bit of racism there.

    What if they're white Indians? Or Red? Is that still racism? Or pragmatism?


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    Fleawuss
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    So it's cheaper to pay statutory redundancy or voluntary redundancy and pay a different company to provide the same service ( who have to equip train and support all the legal requirements and pay IT staff ) than keep on the in house staff. Exactly how much over the odds were AIB paying for all of this to make economic sense?


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    Stheno
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    Fleawuss wrote: »
    So it's cheaper to pay statutory redundancy or voluntary redundancy and pay a different company to provide the same service ( who have to equip train and support all the legal requirements and pay IT staff ) than keep on the in house staff. Exactly how much over the odds were AIB paying for all of this to make economic sense?
    Did you even read the link that said ain have said there will be no redundancies?


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    mynameis905
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    Great. What the world really needs is another Indian call centre.


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    keithclancy
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    Ally Dick wrote: »
    AIB are currently getting rid of their permanent IT staff and sending all the work to Infosys, an Indian outsource company. Meanwhile Infosys "create" 250 jobs in Dublin, and big thick Enda is all smiles......what's really happening is that Infosys are getting the AIB work, sending 250 Indians over to Dublin and 250 permanent AIB staff lose their jobs. Well done Enda. Result !

    What's wrong with 250 Indian people coming to Ireland ? Irish people like popping up like Herpes all over the world, the least you could do is welcome people to Ireland.


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    asherbassad
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    questionmark? wrote: »
    Ya it's called outsourcing but do you really think they are bringing over 250 Indians to Dublin to do the work? Do you think every foreign company in Ireland only hires people from their home company or something? It's a good thing that the jobs weren't lost to India but are staying in Ireland.

    Of course they're not "bringing" 250 Indians over from the Sub-Continent. The DBA, Unix/Linux/Cloud/Admin, Content, Administration, Development and Coding work will be done by Indians IN India.

    I've seen WIPRO, Infosys and Tech-Mahindra operate before. They're boiler-rooms for tech slave labour.


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