Are we living in a Matrix style computer game? What is life all about?

Gerry Rio

PC performance wise we can now hold in our hand a microchip with numerous times the power of a PC 30 years ago that would have needed a whole room to host.

So whats to say if Moore's Law is right and these computer chips keep getting more powerful that a future generation 500 years from now havent made an elaborate computer game and we're it?

Or are we the computer game fun for another intelligent species?

What is life all about in terms of how we exist? Have we a universe living inside of us? Are we our own God of this particular one? (I forget which religion believes that one)

What's it all about?

One More Toy

Gerry Rio wrote: »

PC performance wise we can now hold in our hand a microchip with numerous times power of a PC 30 years ago that would have needed a whole room to host.

So whats to say if Moore's Law is right and these computer chips keep getting more powerful that a future generation 500 years from now havent made an elaborate computer game and we're it?

Or are we the computer game fun for another intelligent species?

What is life all about in terms of how we exist? Have we a universe living inside of us? Are we our own God of this particular one? (I forget which religion believes that one)

What's it all about?

It's all about Pints

Mesrine65

LSD?

valoren

Quantum Computers is where it's at baby.

GardeningGirl

Hi, often wondered that before, are we a Simms for some other creature's entertainment...
Yeah, I'm certain God exists, but not sure of it's true identity or purpose for creation.
Some think that before Creation/reality that God didn't experience, so created the material world to know and be known. Plausible!
Or maybe we need to accept Jesus or maybe not and to be in submission to Allah... or who knows.
I think the safest bet is on doing what makes your conscience comfortable.
We all have it so better to follow what that teaches you than the teachings of another person if they don't line up with your version of 'right'

Gerry Rio

GardeningGirl wrote: »

Or maybe we need to accept Jesus or maybe not and to be in submission to Allah... or who knows.

I was listening to you upto that point.

The Backwards Man

It's a bit like brushing your teeth before your breakfast, the more you think about it, the more stupid the whole thing seems.

The_Valeyard

Well, f*ck it they might do a better job of running the planet than we have.

NomadicGray

Well if we get to the point we can run a fully simulated universe then there's going to be more simulated universes than non simulated so odds are this one is indeed a simulation

Mr. CooL ICE

No.

Tried rocket jumping up the stairs earlier and just blew my legs off.

It's an extended game of civ

strelok

bluewolf wrote: »

It's an extended game of civ

****ing austria

c_man

OP you've figured it out. Add to that the lack of visible evidence of ETs, and it points to fact that the people running the Universe simulation only have enough RAM for us.

Note: If we find aliens, then that means the Universe has been upgraded and they've "imported" the alien civ from another saved game they have. My theory is sound.

Fleawuss

Another thinly veiled return to Jebus thread

Junkyard Tom

*Black cat walks by*

Ruu

A game of 'I have no mouth and I must scream'.

Dep!

We could be. This is worth a read http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blogs/physics/2015/07/are-we-living-in-a-computer-simulation/

Fleawuss

Think I just dodged a bullet there

Junkyard Tom

*Black cat walks by*

From ghosts and psychics to computer games. This is what happens to your brain on drugs, kids.

Skoop

Candie wrote: »

From ghosts and psychics to computer games. This is what happens to your brain on drugs, kids.

Lack of drugs I'd say. It's always the straight edgers. Lash some mescaline into them. Be grand.

Would it really make any difference to us if this universe was a simulation or not? The only way we can exist *at all* is *as part of* this universe, whatever the true nature of it happens to be.

So long as the universe wasn't created with human beings *specifically* "in mind" (ie. so long as our coming into existence following the beginning of the universe was not preordained), I see no reason for us to feel that the answers to the deepest questions have any specific relevance to us, as creatures that incidentally evolved on one planet out of billions, and then only after 4 billion years of gradual, unpreordained evolution of life. If the earths history was represented by a 4.54 km timeline, the last 10 cm would represent the last 100,000 years of history (ie. that period of time when humans as we know them were a thing) - if the universe is indeed some matrix-type simulation, it isn't so *in order to be* spooky to us, or relevant to us in any specific way (as creatures which only arose after that length of time). The matter which contributes to sustaining our bodies over our lifetimes existed long before our conceptions and was tied up in other structures before then, so it wasn't there specifically for us .... ah, could ramble all day on this so i'll leave it there!

beertons

Puff puff pass.

Pass it.

Mesrine65

beertons wrote: »

Puff puff pass.

Pass it.

Fuck that US style shit, I'll pass when I'm good & ready :mad: :P

nocoverart

Are you Joe Rogan OP?

wendell borton

Shutdown -s -t 00

Gwynplaine

There is no spoon

Gerry Rio

nocoverart wrote: »

Are you Joe Rogan OP?

No, but you made me find this. Going to watch it now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOBT-TVAhM4

Pac1Man

If this is a computer game, I find the main quest to be extremely repetitive and tedious.

nocoverart

Gerry Rio wrote: »

No, but you made me find this. Going to watch it now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOBT-TVAhM4

Great vid, might watch it again myself.

Edit: Damn, that's not the video I watched. Definitely a better one out there.

hytrogen

Welcome to the machine

Gerry Rio

Gerry Rio wrote: »

PC performance wise we can now hold in our hand a microchip with numerous times the power of a PC 30 years ago that would have needed a whole room to host.

So whats to say if Moore's Law is right and these computer chips keep getting more powerful that a future generation 500 years from now havent made an elaborate computer game and we're it?

Or are we the computer game fun for another intelligent species?

What is life all about in terms of how we exist? Have we a universe living inside of us? Are we our own God of this particular one? (I forget which religion believes that one)

What's it all about?

Take 500 years back in the past and 500 years into the future the human race is now in the centre of 1000 years and seem like humans are design to go forward and create a better world as far as human intelligent can design then in 500 years from now, there could be a matrix world.

But i think for that to happen we all have to agree on what im not to sure where to start because there are so many difference, i mean there are still many who still live in the belief of 500 years back but then again that has never stop human intelligents before and human intelligents is here to learn so maybe, there is a universe living inside of us all.

I think i need to take the red pill now.

JustTheOne

Read this op.

Predeternism, its some mad stuff. Everything we do we have no choice like we think we do.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predeterminism

The_Valeyard

strelok wrote: »

****ing austria

What did Austria do?

It's the back stabbing Martha Confederacy that's the problem.....and their Egyptian allies!!

jimgoose

Quantum mechanics, wha?? The dreams stuff is made of. You'd be surprised how little computational power it actually takes to run a universe instance. This one is fairly whitebread and predictable, and has been running under CP/CMS on an IBM S360/67 since 1968.

Gerry Rio

Gerry Rio wrote: »

So whats to say if Moore's Law is right and these computer chips keep getting more powerful that a future generation 500 years from now havent made an elaborate computer game and we're it?

To put Gerrys argument another way. The "simulation argument" first formulated by Swedish philosopher Nick Bostrom" is that for every civilization that gets to the computer level that they can simulate other civilizations - they are going to simulate millions of them.

Which mathematically means - for every civilisation you find yourself in - it is highly highly more probable you are in a simulated one than not.

It is a mathematically sound argument that is hard to rebut. But when they then ask a question like this -

Gerry Rio wrote: »

What's it all about?

- then perhaps the answer is - as it always has been - "the journey is the destination".

Let us see them make a pointless recursive loop out of that one

The King of Moo

Yeah but it's more likely there's a computer game inside us and our hands are the controllers and our cells are the levels but what happens when its a racing game?

So we're actually probably all living inside a giant ceramic bowl with outer space painted on the inside that's the only explanation that makes sense.

Gerry Rio

nocoverart wrote: »

Great vid, might watch it again myself.

Edit: Damn, that's not the video I watched. Definitely a better one out there.

Will you link it here if you find it, thanks.

Gerry Rio

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's a bit like brushing your teeth before your breakfast, the more you think about it, the more stupid the whole thing seems.

Very strange analogy there!

Junkyard Tom

*Shadow of piglet goes dancing by*

ScumLord

Basically we are all living in a virtual representation of the real world. Our brain makes up a perception of the outside world, it's not an exact copy of the real world and it's delayed by a few tenths of a second.

fizzypish

Gerry Rio wrote: »

So whats to say if Moore's Law is right and these computer chips keep getting more powerful that a future generation 500 years from now havent made an elaborate computer game and we're it?

Moore's law may run into issues pretty soon due to lithography limitations. The smallest wavelength possible through current technology is fast approaching. At tiny wavelengths (sub nano meter) I think, light gets absorbed and scattered by everything from the little I know about lithography. Next 10 years will be pretty interesting.

Gerry Rio

fizzypish wrote: »

through current technology is fast approaching

"Current" being the important word there

Mesrine65

Philip K. Dick was right all along :eek: :cool:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

We are the entertainment of an alternative (but parallel universe) kinda like a television show.

With an infinite number of universes, there are also ones where where shows like Home and Away, Malcolm in the Middle and even Batman are real.

There's also one where the Matrix is real. Could be this one. So The Matrix is a movie about a reality that really is a reality in another universe that is actually being watched as entertainment in a third. Mind**** or what?

Dramatik

We are the program. Each civilization on each planet in the universe is a different program which is being used by a higher entity to study different subjects. Some civilizations/programs are used just to further technology alone whilst others are used to study consciousness ect. By doing this the higher entity can have multiple civilizations/programs working at the same time, which enables it to learn/advance at a faster rate then if it was just trying to advance alone.

We cannot see the entity because it is so big, our whole universe could be as small as a microchip or smaller to the entity. It's also possible that the entity may be a program itself, which could be inturn working for another program and so on. The question is, what is the identity of the entity? :rolleyes:

Gerry Rio

Dramatik wrote: »

We are the program. Each civilization on each planet in the universe is a different program which is being used by a higher entity to study different subjects. Some civilizations/programs are used just to further technology alone whilst others are used to study consciousness ect. By doing this the higher entity can have multiple civilizations/programs working at the same time, which enables it to learn/advance at a faster rate then if it was just trying to advance alone.

We cannot see the entity because it is so big, our whole universe could be as small as a microchip or smaller to the entity. It's also possible that the entity may be a program itself, which could be inturn working for another program and so on. The question is, what is the identity of the entity? :rolleyes:

Great theory. Yours or someone elses?

The King of Moo

Dramatik wrote: »

We are the program. Each civilization on each planet in the universe is a different program which is being used by a higher entity to study different subjects. Some civilizations/programs are used just to further technology alone whilst others are used to study consciousness ect. By doing this the higher entity can have multiple civilizations/programs working at the same time, which enables it to learn/advance at a faster rate then if it was just trying to advance alone.

We cannot see the entity because it is so big, our whole universe could be as small as a microchip or smaller to the entity. It's also possible that the entity may be a program itself, which could be inturn working for another program and so on. The question is, what is the identity of the entity? :rolleyes:

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Jim?

The_Valeyard

The King of Moo wrote: »

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Jim?

He's busy with the concert and new album

Earthhorse

Our society hasn't reached the point where we can simulate other civilisations and it seems unlikely we ever will, not at any detailed level. Heck, we can't even simulate conversation well over more than a few sentences, and language is only one tiny fraction of civilisation. So arguments based on that probability are pretty flawed.

We may well be a simulation but there's no strong argument to believe we are. The only reason you doubt it is because it's very hard to absolutely prove we aren't.

Gerry Rio

Earthhorse wrote: »

Our society hasn't reached the point where we can simulate other civilisations

Most theories on this are based on future civilisations and technology. Not present ones.