Is pinching someone's butt sexual assault?

blackcard

First I am a bloke. I have never pinched anyone's butt nor do I condone it. I have had my butt pinched twice by women on a hen's night out. No big deal. I appreciate it is different for a female and it happens more frequently . I would say that it is down the scale from groping someone or feeling their breast. So is it sexual assault?

Fox_In_Socks

It lies between a gentle cupping and an arse slap.

It's a sliding scale of severity.

frag420

Only if you get a bloody nose afterwards......

My name is URL

It's not as bad as calling it a 'butt'

Martypants1

It is if a man does it to a woman but it's only craic if a woman does it to a man.

dd972

What, pinch as in 'to steal'.....:P

Fleawuss

Irish Statute book says indecent assault is sexual assault since 1990. So I'm guessing yes is the answer to OP

blackcard

Fleawuss wrote: »

Irish Statute book says indecent assault is sexual assault since 1990. So I'm guessing yes is the answer to OP

Tbh, I was flattered when it happened to me, gave her a wink

Fleawuss

blackcard wrote: »

Tbh, I was flattered when it happened to me, gave her a wink

Well ya dirty b@@llix.

blackcard

blackcard wrote: »

Tbh, I was flattered when it happened to me, gave her a wink

I personally hate it. I've had it done it me a few times and worse. It's really annoying.

Now with the topic at hand.. I think it largely depends on the circumstance. If you don't know the person, then it certainly disrespectful.

smash

Only if a finger slips between the cheeks

toptom

Total violation of your body to have your bum pinched by a pervert

Lizony

Ive had it on a bus and I was raging with him it was really not appropriate and shouldnt be acceptable by either men or women.

MadsL

Consent is sexy.
Silence is not consent.

c_man

toptom wrote: »

Total violation of your body to have your bum pinched by a pervert

Nice one, I'm a not a pervert so it's happy days.

biko

If you have to ask it probably is.

kylith

Yes, it is. Whether it's done by a man or a woman.

It's on the lower end of the scale but it is assault if someone, male or female, puts a hand on another against their wishes.

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally hate it. I've had it done it me a few times and worse. It's really annoying.

Now with the topic at hand.. I think it largely depends on the circumstance. If you don't know the person, then it certainly disrespectful.

If you have a bony arse it's sorer.

DivingDuck

Legally yes-- and also morally, in my opinion.

This country has a terrible attitude about non-consensual touching. When a woman does it to a man, it's "Sure he should be delighted" and when a man does it to a woman, it's "Sure that's normal, and boys will be boys". Touching someone without their consent is wrong, especially in a "sexual" area (bum, breasts, genitals).

Don't put your hands on someone's bits without their consent. This should not be a hard edict to follow, and social pressure should be brought to bear on those who do otherwise instead of making excuses for it and encouraging them.

blackcard

Candie wrote: »

It's on the lower end of the scale but it is assault if someone, male or female, puts a hand on another against their wishes.

Not disagreeing with you but has anyone been charged with pinching someone's bum and, if they have, what was the penalty? (Btw, as a male, if a bloke pinched my butt, I would be extremely offended)

blackcard

blackcard wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you but has anyone been charged with pinching someone's bum and, if they have, what was the penalty? (Btw, as a male, if a bloke pinched my butt, I would be extremely offended)

I remember a thread a few years ago when a guy was either fined or jailed for following a girl and slapping her on the butt. I don't think it's the kind of thing that goes before the courts much though.

CameraBag

blackcard wrote: »

First I am a bloke. I have never pinched anyone's butt nor do I condone it. I have had my butt pinched twice by women on a hen's night out. No big deal. I appreciate it is different for a female and it happens more frequently . I would say that it is down the scale from groping someone or feeling their breast. So is it sexual assault?

Yes it would count as sexual assualt. And I'd say most people would respond in a fairly frosty manner, but at most I could imagine it leading to a bouncer kicking you out of a club / pub. I can't imagine most people being so put out that they involve the guards.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

If you have a bony arse it's sorer.

Not going to lie, I've a fine arse.

Lux23

Yes, it's sexual assault regardless of what sex the victim is.

BBDBB

If it's not, then you aren't doing it right

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/section/2/enacted/en/html

Assault.

2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly—

(a) directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another, or

(b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

without the consent of the other.


(2) In subsection (1) (a), “force” includes—

(a) application of heat, light, electric current, noise or any other form of energy, and

(b) application of matter in solid liquid or gaseous form.

(3) No such offence is committed if the force or impact, not being intended or likely to cause injury, is in the circumstances such as is generally acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life and the defendant does not know or believe that it is in fact unacceptable to the other person.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

blackcard

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/section/2/enacted/en/html

So, the answer is yes

Azrel

Lizony wrote: »

Ive had it on a bus and I was raging with him it was really not appropriate and shouldnt be acceptable by either men or women.

Maybe he was just reminding you that you should be at home washing the dishes, and not out and about on public transport?

MadsL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

DivingDuck

MadsL wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

I agree fully with the spirit of this video, but I'm not sure this is a helpful comparison for Ireland...

I have a lovely GIF of Mrs Doyle as an example, if only I could post it here...

Samaris

Azrel wrote: »

Maybe he was just reminding you that you should be at home washing the dishes, and not out and about on public transport?

Jays, didn't that joke get old in 1962?

Capt'n Midnight

blackcard wrote: »

So, the answer is yes

Technically the answer is that you are guilty of something .

Such a person is probably a pariah of society. Who knows if they have a TV licence or have paid their water bill ? Perhaps they have downloaded films or songs ! They could even be a litterbug :eek:

Seriously such a sense of entitlement deserves further scrutiny.

GarIT

MadsL wrote: »

Consent is sexy.

I've seen this a lot lately, especially around college campuses. Sexy is subjective, nobody can make an outright claim about what is sexy. To me personally consent is not sexy.

As far as the OP is concerned I would consider it assault. But I also haven't read the related laws.

Sam Kade

blackcard wrote: »

First I am a bloke. I have never pinched anyone's butt nor do I condone it. I have had my butt pinched twice by women on a hen's night out. No big deal. I appreciate it is different for a female and it happens more frequently . I would say that it is down the scale from groping someone or feeling their breast. So is it sexual assault?

It's your arse ffs.

Sam Kade

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally hate it. I've had it done it me a few times and worse. It's really annoying.

Now with the topic at hand.. I think it largely depends on the circumstance. If you don't know the person, then it certainly disrespectful.

How did they manage to pinch your bony arse?

DivingDuck

GarIT wrote: »

To me personally consent is not sexy.

Sorry, what?

I think you might want to rephrase that...?

Sam Kade

Lux23 wrote: »

Yes, it's sexual assault regardless of what sex the victim is.

:rolleyes:

GarIT

DivingDuck wrote: »

Sorry, what?

I think you might want to rephrase that...?

I don't think there's any need to if we can assume the reader understands the meaning of sexy. I completely agree that consent is needed at all times that's fairly obvious but I don't get aroused by consent, therefore I don't find it sexy.

The reason I posed was that it was a stupid campaign that has been going around my uni for too long. The idea behind it is good but the campaign slogan is stupid.

MadsL

GarIT wrote: »

I've seen this a lot lately, especially around college campuses. Sexy is subjective, nobody can make an outright claim about what is sexy. To me personally consent is not sexy.

The point is it is sexier to ask, than assume.

I had my butt pinched in that 'pinch and twist' way, designed not just to annoy me, but to physically hurt me. Had a black bruise afterwards, quite a large one. It was pretty vicious, tbh.

I'd really wonder about someone's motivations to do something like that to a random stranger.

GarIT

MadsL wrote: »

The point is it is sexier to ask, than assume.

I completely disagree. Better: yes, sexier: no. I won't post anymore as I am just derailing the thread.

DivingDuck

GarIT wrote: »

I don't think there's any need to if we can assume the reader understands the meaning of sexy. I completely agree that consent is needed at all times that's fairly obvious but I don't get aroused by consent, therefore I don't find it sexy.

The reason I posed was that it was a stupid campaign that has been going around my uni for too long. The idea behind it is good but the campaign slogan is stupid.

I would have thought that most people find consent arousing, especially when expressed in an enthusiastic manner, but I can concede that possibly it differs.

Also, while I completely understand your meaning now, it would be fairly simple to infer that not finding consent sexy means finding a lack of consent attractive. Obviously not what you meant, but saying "I don't find consent sexy" has the potential to really send the wrong message too easily, in my view.

The Sidewards Man

Its when you rub off them with a hard on that is an issue.

Samaris

I don't disagree with GarIT there. I think it's a dumb and condescending slogan as well.

"Remember, kids, it's cool to look both ways before crossing the road!"

No ****. But srsly, ease up on the trying to be hip.

Meangadh

I'd certainly class it as sexual assault. Regardless of gender.

The thing is though- what does someone hope to achieve by doing it? Do they think the person will turn around & think "ooh, yes please, more of that!"- or is it simply cos they think it's "gas banter"? I just don't understand the mentality of it.

Either way, no thanks. Anyone who goes around pinching arses either as a pathetic mating ritual or for "the craic" can eff right off.

Brendan Bendar

Candie wrote: »

I had my butt pinched in that 'pinch and twist' way, designed not just to annoy me, but to physically hurt me. Had a black bruise afterwards, quite a large one. It was pretty vicious, tbh.

I'd really wonder about someone's motivations to do something like that to a random stranger.

'Pinch and twist' :eek:

Must have been a bit of 'give' so?

Hope you weren't badly hurt Candie.

Cupcake_Crisis

If you weren't invited to do it it's probably assault.

Capt'n Midnight

Personally speaking I wouldn't want my bottom pinched as I'm rather attached to it.

Mrs doyle: we should all be very careful on the mainland, there's so much crime around, arsonists and muggers everywhere, my friend Mrs O'Dwyer was robbed last week.

Ted: oh no, how much did they get?

Mrs doyle: no i don't think you understand father, she was robbed, they stole her!

R.D. aka MR.D

It is a really disgusting thing to do whether you are male or female.

I think it's even worse for men because some women don't show men the same respect that they would want for themselves. There is an idea that this kind of thing doesn't upset men in the same way. It's a very damaging attitude and it needs to change.

Women are not objects and neither are men.

Cienciano

To the people who say yes, what should be the punishment?