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Is pinching someone's butt sexual assault?

blackcard

First I am a bloke. I have never pinched anyone's butt nor do I condone it. I have had my butt pinched twice by women on a hen's night out. No big deal. I appreciate it is different for a female and it happens more frequently . I would say that it is down the scale from groping someone or feeling their breast. So is it sexual assault?

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DivingDuck

GarIT wrote: »

To me personally consent is not sexy.

Sorry, what?

I think you might want to rephrase that...?

Sam Kade

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally hate it. I've had it done it me a few times and worse. It's really annoying.

Now with the topic at hand.. I think it largely depends on the circumstance. If you don't know the person, then it certainly disrespectful.

How did they manage to pinch your bony arse?

Sam Kade

blackcard wrote: »

First I am a bloke. I have never pinched anyone's butt nor do I condone it. I have had my butt pinched twice by women on a hen's night out. No big deal. I appreciate it is different for a female and it happens more frequently . I would say that it is down the scale from groping someone or feeling their breast. So is it sexual assault?

It's your arse ffs.

GarIT

MadsL wrote: »

Consent is sexy.

I've seen this a lot lately, especially around college campuses. Sexy is subjective, nobody can make an outright claim about what is sexy. To me personally consent is not sexy.

As far as the OP is concerned I would consider it assault. But I also haven't read the related laws.

Capt'n Midnight

blackcard wrote: »

So, the answer is yes

Technically the answer is that you are guilty of something .

Such a person is probably a pariah of society. Who knows if they have a TV licence or have paid their water bill ? Perhaps they have downloaded films or songs ! They could even be a litterbug :eek:

Seriously such a sense of entitlement deserves further scrutiny.

Samaris

Azrel wrote: »

Maybe he was just reminding you that you should be at home washing the dishes, and not out and about on public transport?

Jays, didn't that joke get old in 1962?

DivingDuck

MadsL wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

I agree fully with the spirit of this video, but I'm not sure this is a helpful comparison for Ireland...

I have a lovely GIF of Mrs Doyle as an example, if only I could post it here...

MadsL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8

Azrel

Lizony wrote: »

Ive had it on a bus and I was raging with him it was really not appropriate and shouldnt be acceptable by either men or women.

Maybe he was just reminding you that you should be at home washing the dishes, and not out and about on public transport?

blackcard

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/section/2/enacted/en/html

So, the answer is yes

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/act/26/section/2/enacted/en/html

Assault.

2.—(1) A person shall be guilty of the offence of assault who, without lawful excuse, intentionally or recklessly—

(a) directly or indirectly applies force to or causes an impact on the body of another, or

(b) causes another to believe on reasonable grounds that he or she is likely immediately to be subjected to any such force or impact,

without the consent of the other.

(2) In subsection (1) (a), “force” includes—

(a) application of heat, light, electric current, noise or any other form of energy, and

(b) application of matter in solid liquid or gaseous form.

(3) No such offence is committed if the force or impact, not being intended or likely to cause injury, is in the circumstances such as is generally acceptable in the ordinary conduct of daily life and the defendant does not know or believe that it is in fact unacceptable to the other person.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

BBDBB

If it's not, then you aren't doing it right

Lux23

Yes, it's sexual assault regardless of what sex the victim is.

[Deleted User]

tayto lover wrote: »

If you have a bony arse it's sorer.

Not going to lie, I've a fine arse.

CameraBag

blackcard wrote: »

First I am a bloke. I have never pinched anyone's butt nor do I condone it. I have had my butt pinched twice by women on a hen's night out. No big deal. I appreciate it is different for a female and it happens more frequently . I would say that it is down the scale from groping someone or feeling their breast. So is it sexual assault?

Yes it would count as sexual assualt. And I'd say most people would respond in a fairly frosty manner, but at most I could imagine it leading to a bouncer kicking you out of a club / pub. I can't imagine most people being so put out that they involve the guards.

[Deleted User]

blackcard wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you but has anyone been charged with pinching someone's bum and, if they have, what was the penalty? (Btw, as a male, if a bloke pinched my butt, I would be extremely offended)

I remember a thread a few years ago when a guy was either fined or jailed for following a girl and slapping her on the butt. I don't think it's the kind of thing that goes before the courts much though.

blackcard

Candie wrote: »

It's on the lower end of the scale but it is assault if someone, male or female, puts a hand on another against their wishes.

Not disagreeing with you but has anyone been charged with pinching someone's bum and, if they have, what was the penalty? (Btw, as a male, if a bloke pinched my butt, I would be extremely offended)

DivingDuck

Legally yes-- and also morally, in my opinion.

This country has a terrible attitude about non-consensual touching. When a woman does it to a man, it's "Sure he should be delighted" and when a man does it to a woman, it's "Sure that's normal, and boys will be boys". Touching someone without their consent is wrong, especially in a "sexual" area (bum, breasts, genitals).

Don't put your hands on someone's bits without their consent. This should not be a hard edict to follow, and social pressure should be brought to bear on those who do otherwise instead of making excuses for it and encouraging them.

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

I personally hate it. I've had it done it me a few times and worse. It's really annoying.

Now with the topic at hand.. I think it largely depends on the circumstance. If you don't know the person, then it certainly disrespectful.

If you have a bony arse it's sorer.

[Deleted User]

It's on the lower end of the scale but it is assault if someone, male or female, puts a hand on another against their wishes.

kylith

Yes, it is. Whether it's done by a man or a woman.

biko

If you have to ask it probably is.

c_man

toptom wrote: »

Total violation of your body to have your bum pinched by a pervert

Nice one, I'm a not a pervert so it's happy days.

MadsL

Consent is sexy.
Silence is not consent.

Lizony

Ive had it on a bus and I was raging with him it was really not appropriate and shouldnt be acceptable by either men or women.

toptom

Total violation of your body to have your bum pinched by a pervert

smash

Only if a finger slips between the cheeks

[Deleted User]

blackcard wrote: »

Tbh, I was flattered when it happened to me, gave her a wink

I personally hate it. I've had it done it me a few times and worse. It's really annoying.

Now with the topic at hand.. I think it largely depends on the circumstance. If you don't know the person, then it certainly disrespectful.

Fleawuss

blackcard wrote: »

Tbh, I was flattered when it happened to me, gave her a wink

Well ya dirty b@@llix.

blackcard

Fleawuss wrote: »

Irish Statute book says indecent assault is sexual assault since 1990. So I'm guessing yes is the answer to OP

Tbh, I was flattered when it happened to me, gave her a wink