Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

amber69

blackcard wrote: »

Blanchfield is only 20, still has a bit to learn but Cody must be seeing something in training if he is bringing him in as a sub

AFAIK he's still 19. 20 near the end of the year. It was an ideal time to blood a promising young lad as the game was already won. He wouldn't have been on if it was anyway in doubt. He may or may not make it but we shouldn't be too harsh or quick to judge. I'd agree with you Cody is watching him in training so he must be doing something right.

blackcard

amber69 wrote: »

AFAIK he's still 19. 20 near the end of the year. It was an ideal time to blood a promising young lad as the game was already won. He wouldn't have been on if it was anyway in doubt. He may or may not make it but we shouldn't be too harsh or quick to judge. I'd agree with you Cody is watching him in training so he must be doing something right.

People need to get a grip. This was only his third appearance as a sub. From what I hear, he has proved a handful in training when up against our first choice backs and is supposed to have a good attitude. This is his first year on the panel and he will improve
It has taken a while for a lot of our current team to nail down a spot on the team so I would give him time

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sound thanks lads. What do ye make of that lads? For a long time it was common wisdom that Cody doesn't throw in lads that young onto the field
I know it was only a few minutes when the game was won but do you think it points to Cody seeing something in blanchfield or is it part of a shift towards using younger players for no other reason than we don't have as strong an established panel as we used to have, where you might be 23 before you're getting a decent look in? (I know there's exceptions)

It's probaly a small suprise considering john power was also on the bench and has all ireland experience he also came on before kevin kelly who has being around a few years.I think he obviously sees something in him...I know people had mixed reviews on wally when he broke into the team but coady kept persisting with him and infairness his definitely getting better every year and a real crowd favourite unbelievable in the air

No doubt about it - Walter is a key man for us. As you say a handful in the air and can chip in with a few scores.

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sound thanks lads. What do ye make of that lads? For a long time it was common wisdom that Cody doesn't throw in lads that young onto the field
I know it was only a few minutes when the game was won but do you think it points to Cody seeing something in blanchfield or is it part of a shift towards using younger players for no other reason than we don't have as strong an established panel as we used to have, where you might be 23 before you're getting a decent look in? (I know there's exceptions)

It's probaly a small suprise considering john power was also on the bench and has all ireland experience he also came on before kevin kelly who has being around a few years.I think he obviously sees something in him...I know people had mixed reviews on wally when he broke into the team but coady kept persisting with him and infairness his definitely getting better every year and a real crowd favourite unbelievable in the air

No doubt about it - Walter is a key man for us. As you say a handful in the air and can chip in with a few scores.

Noddy33

blackcard wrote: »

People need to get a grip. This was only his third appearance as a sub. From what I hear, he has proved a handful in training when up against our first choice backs and is supposed to have a good attitude. This is his first year on the panel and he will improve
It has taken a while for a lot of our current team to nail down a spot on the team so I would give him time

Nobody writing him off at all and you will see almost everyone agrees he is a future star but you cant deny he was poor with the game time he got last Saturday and going by that showing you have to wonder would Chris Bolger not offer more of a threat. He obviously performing reasonably well in training but my own opinion would be to have been hold off calling up into the senior fold for another year partly down to the fact he has been hurling non stop for last 4/5 years and so could do with a rest

citykat

Noddy33 wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

People need to get a grip. This was only his third appearance as a sub. From what I hear, he has proved a handful in training when up against our first choice backs and is supposed to have a good attitude. This is his first year on the panel and he will improve
It has taken a while for a lot of our current team to nail down a spot on the team so I would give him time

Nobody writing him off at all and you will see almost everyone agrees he is a future star but you cant deny he was poor with the game time he got last Saturday and going by that showing you have to wonder would Chris Bolger not offer more of a threat. He obviously performing reasonably well in training but my own opinion would be to have been hold off calling up into the senior fold for another year partly down to the fact he has been hurling non stop for last 4/5 years and so could do with a rest

I can't help but think there may be some mind games going on. Wouldn't surprise me if Cody was sending a message to some lads. Here you have a very raw, young player being introduced ahead of Power, Kelly and others like Bolger who are older, would probably be considered more established and who some might feel are ahead in the 'pecking order'. The game was effectively out of Dublin's reach when the change was made. It was low risk even if it fell flat on it's face. It's interesting, to me anyway, that Power didn't get a run at all. Maybe he was injured. If he wasn't he's fallen way down that pecking order now.
TJ Reid has spoken recently about how frustrated he was in his early years with the senior panel at the lack of game time and about how seriously he contemplated leaving the panel. Those three mentioned above have plenty of ability and have the potential to play senior hurling for Kilkenny. I think Cody is now putting it up to lads to see how badly they want it.

Cornerback1

citykat wrote: »

Noddy33 wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

People need to get a grip. This was only his third appearance as a sub. From what I hear, he has proved a handful in training when up against our first choice backs and is supposed to have a good attitude. This is his first year on the panel and he will improve
It has taken a while for a lot of our current team to nail down a spot on the team so I would give him time

Nobody writing him off at all and you will see almost everyone agrees he is a future star but you cant deny he was poor with the game time he got last Saturday and going by that showing you have to wonder would Chris Bolger not offer more of a threat. He obviously performing reasonably well in training but my own opinion would be to have been hold off calling up into the senior fold for another year partly down to the fact he has been hurling non stop for last 4/5 years and so could do with a rest

I can't help but think there may be some mind games going on. Wouldn't surprise me if Cody was sending a message to some lads. Here you have a very raw, young player being introduced ahead of Power, Kelly and others like Bolger who are older, would probably be considered more established and who some might feel are ahead in the 'pecking order'. The game was effectively out of Dublin's reach when the change was made. It was low risk even if it fell flat on it's face. It's interesting, to me anyway, that Power didn't get a run at all. Maybe he was injured. If he wasn't he's fallen way down that pecking order now.
TJ Reid has spoken recently about how frustrated he was in his early years with the senior panel at the lack of game time and about how seriously he contemplated leaving the panel. Those three mentioned above have plenty of ability and have the potential to play senior hurling for Kilkenny. I think Cody is now putting it up to lads to see how badly they want it.

That's a valid point and it'd be a subtle nudge to the more experienced forwards on the panel. Maybe Liam B is showing well in training, who knows? I think i saw John Power warming up along the line in the 2nd half but not sure as I was in the far corner.

It's all a guessing game with Cody and up to know, it's worked well!! In fairness, none of the subs really impressed when they came on but it was good to see the ovation Mick and Larks got.

I love the telepathic nature of TJ and P draig from frees. Everyone thinks TJ will shoot from distance from inside his own half but P draig sprints 40yards at full pelt down his wing into the half forwards. TJ places the ball in his hand without breaking stride and as Cyril Farrell would say...'bang over the bar'.

I was in Walsh Pk for first league game and the exact same thing happened. Talk about quick thinking but especially P draig.

unrealtime

Cody does appear to play mind games with players - vide selection of Tyrell in a pxxx-or-leave-the-pot situation.

Charlie69

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sound thanks lads. What do ye make of that lads? For a long time it was common wisdom that Cody doesn't throw in lads that young onto the field
I know it was only a few minutes when the game was won but do you think it points to Cody seeing something in blanchfield or is it part of a shift towards using younger players for no other reason than we don't have as strong an established panel as we used to have, where you might be 23 before you're getting a decent look in? (I know there's exceptions)

I suppose he didn't throw in the young lads in the past because he didn't have to, times have changed. Blanchfield will be fine, might be a big lad but he's only a chap...give him a chance.

JJs Left Hand

Chris Bolger taking on mythical status in here. The new Kevin Kelly

dubcat51

Just think bolger deserves a chance. His cameo v clare was full of promise.how Martin has started ahead of him in the league I will never know.unless Cody is keeping him under wraps .

dastardly00

Cornerback1 wrote: »

I love the telepathic nature of TJ and P draig from frees. Everyone thinks TJ will shoot from distance from inside his own half but P draig sprints 40yards at full pelt down his wing into the half forwards. TJ places the ball in his hand without breaking stride and as Cyril Farrell would say...'bang over the bar'.

I was in Walsh Pk for first league game and the exact same thing happened. Talk about quick thinking but especially P draig.

That was a thing of beauty!

Topcat32

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Chris Bolger taking on mythical status in here. The new Kevin Kelly

I detect sarcasim!! but this rush to judge Blanchefield is pathetic, he had looked nervous when he has come on, but that is understandable in a 19 year old, I think Codys best quality coming from his profession as a teacher and his experience of being thrown onto the team too early as a player; is his judgement on how to develop young players

pmy.murphy

Blanchfield will come good in time, great prospect. Hes only a young fella so obviously its only natural if hes nervous on his championship debut and he should be forgiven for it. He must be doing something in training if he was on ahead of Kelly, Power and Bolger.

Another one Im surprised to see not on the panel is John Walsh from Mullinavat. Would honestly put him down as a better prospect than Blanchfield plus hes hurled very well with the club this year after a long term injury

citykat

Charlie69 wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sound thanks lads. What do ye make of that lads? For a long time it was common wisdom that Cody doesn't throw in lads that young onto the field
I know it was only a few minutes when the game was won but do you think it points to Cody seeing something in blanchfield or is it part of a shift towards using younger players for no other reason than we don't have as strong an established panel as we used to have, where you might be 23 before you're getting a decent look in? (I know there's exceptions)

I suppose he didn't throw in the young lads in the past because he didn't have to, times have changed. Blanchfield will be fine, might be a big lad but he's only a chap...give him a chance.

That was one thing about him that stood out for me - his size. He pucked around with Mick Fennelly pre-match and looked every bit as big as him.

Realt Dearg Sec

Topcat32 wrote: »

I detect sarcasim!! but this rush to judge Blanchefield is pathetic, he had looked nervous when he has come on, but that is understandable in a 19 year old, I think Codys best quality coming from his profession as a teacher and his experience of being thrown onto the team too early as a player; is his judgement on how to develop young players

What rush to judge him?

brookville

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Blanchfield will come good in time, great prospect. Hes only a young fella so obviously its only natural if hes nervous on his championship debut and he should be forgiven for it. He must be doing something in training if he was on ahead of Kelly, Power and Bolger.

Another one Im surprised to see not on the panel is John Walsh from Mullinavat. Would honestly put him down as a better prospect than Blanchfield plus hes hurled very well with the club this year after a long term injury

Afaik walsh has a injury I could be wrong though.The suprising thing about walsh and bolger is that there in good form for their clubs both are the go to men but obviously liam must be doing more in training and I'm sure he'll come good in time

Noddy33

Topcat32 wrote: »

I detect sarcasim!! but this rush to judge Blanchefield is pathetic, he had looked nervous when he has come on, but that is understandable in a 19 year old, I think Codys best quality coming from his profession as a teacher and his experience of being thrown onto the team too early as a player; is his judgement on how to develop young players

Nobody is Judging Blanchfield at all and its merely an observation in stating that he didnt perform great when he came on last Saturday and was no where near the levels of performance that he is capable of.Obviously nerves and first championship appearance come into it consideration and thats why everyone is agreeing that he has the talent be a top player for kK in the future.I just thought that he got plenty of ball directed down his wing but suprisingly enough he failed to even compete with his marker for the ball at all and each time his marker won clean ball off him. But I have seen enough of him at underage and club level to know the potential the lad has and am convinced he will be a key player for KK for years in the future

Topcat32

Noddy33 wrote: »

Nobody is Judging Blanchfield at all and its merely an observation in stating that he didnt perform great when he came on last Saturday and was no where near the levels of performance that he is capable of.Obviously nerves and first championship appearance come into it consideration and thats why everyone is agreeing that he has the talent be a top player for kK in the future.I just thought that he got plenty of ball directed down his wing but suprisingly enough he failed to even compete with his marker for the ball at all and each time his marker won clean ball off him. But I have seen enough of him at underage and club level to know the potential the lad has and am convinced he will be a key player for KK for years in the future

Well one poster did say that they were "very unconvinced" about him, thats pretty close to a judgement.

Obviously he didnt do great when he came on and to say that others could have done better is fair comment.

PáircLife

Topcat32 wrote: »

Well one poster did say that they were "very unconvinced" about him, thats pretty close to a judgement.

Obviously he didnt do great when he came on and to say that others could have done better is fair comment.

Well if you can't judge a player then it defeats the purpose of this forum.

I too, don't think he has improved a whole lot from minor. I have seen him a lot with club and county the last 2 years and I have expected a lot more from him.

In saying that, he is a well built, fast forward and if BC is bringing him on in Championship I'm sure it is merited! His hurling sometimes lets him down but he is still U21 next year and has a long future with KK I hope.

unrealtime

apart from being very inconvinced - that is based on a number of displays now, I also mentioned a star in the making and wondered whether his bulk had slowed him. These are all valid points and I am not judging him at this early stage. But others with much promise (like say Mark Aylward or the other marks (Kelly and Bergin) faded out of it even though these are quality hurlers and made good impressions for a while. Point is that the margin for success and failure with Kilkenny is extremely small and Blanchfield could easily fail unless he impresses early on. His club performances should give him a boost.

Cornerback1

Any word on young Maher these days?

brookville

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Any word on young Maher these days?

Back running and should step up his recovery with full contact training hopefully he can make the bench the next day.

JJs Left Hand

"It’s short enough to heal but afterwards is the problem with the muscle loss and getting pain in it then."

That's a quote from him the week before the Westmeath U21 game. He hasn't a hope of making the Leinster Final squad. He won't be right for the rest of the year. He should be looked after this year, build it back up slowly and start again next year.

It took TJ a year to get right after Tannion done him. Maher is too young to rush back and do more damage.

brookville

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

"It’s short enough to heal but afterwards is the problem with the muscle loss and getting pain in it then."

That's a quote from him the week before the Westmeath U21 game. He hasn't a hope of making the Leinster Final squad. He won't be right for the rest of the year. He should be looked after this year, build it back up slowly and start again next year.

It took TJ a year to get right after Tannion done him. Maher is too young to rush back and do more damage.

I agree he should be given time to recover and I'm sure he will but he is back running and it wasn't as serious as tj injury so hopefully we can see him later in the year

Cornerback1

Cork V Dublin in qualifier..they'll be sick of the sight of each other!

dubcat51

Clare got laois at home just like 13.whats the chance on them getting wexford next and hopefully galway in quarters.next qualifiers should be good . probably limerick clare cork/dubs and wex/offaly

Cornerback1

dubcat51 wrote: »

Clare got laois at home just like 13.whats the chance on them getting wexford next and hopefully galway in quarters.next qualifiers should be good . probably limerick clare cork/dubs and wex/offaly

I see Clare get Laois in the football too. If it's a double header which will will Podge pick??,

Topcat32

Cornerback1 wrote: »

I see Clare get Laois in the football too. If it's a double header which will will Podge pick??,

I'd reckon he would pick football.

Cornerback1

Topcat32 wrote: »

Cornerback1 wrote: »

I see Clare get Laois in the football too. If it's a double header which will will Podge pick??,

I'd reckon he would pick football.

Probably, his father is still managing them and i think he has a brother on team. I wonder, because of that, could the GAA make it 2 seperate venues?