Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

dubcat51

Poor game dubs v wexford. Wexford were shocking.hope dubs turn in the same performance against us.anybody know what the 21st team might be for game v Westmeath

Realt Dearg Sec

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

This guy really does not get it! He actual believe this was the right thing to do!
He thinks it is acceptable for Kilkenny, the greatest hurling county there is . I suppose his name gives away the city bias and it is in line with the city bias, which is festering to danger point. I tried to avoid identifying the player concerned but ccitykat had no such qualms by giving his score, Doesn’t deny it in fairness and Citykat is proud of it.. Absolutely does not see an issue.

He cannot see the affect on moral of the other young players. He just cannot see it.
He doesn’t see that the “two country schooled colleagues” as he patronisingly put it, actually scored 3-5 (3-3 from play) between them in the previous game when he wasn’t there as well as providing assists and winning frees that were scored. They were also scoring for fun in challenge games when he wasnt there and they didn’t have to contend with a centre back who had only one target in mind in those previous games. citykat, He or she does not see that changing the dynamic for one player can have a detrimental affect on the balance of the team. No, that doesn’t matter to Citykat. He’s like the teacher from SKC who commented “if we had all SKC lads, we would have won!” Even the CBS lads might want to have something to say on that. Or he could be he/she be like kksaints who says “it really doesn’t matter if they win All-Irelands or not”. Maybe that is the general consensus. Somehow I don’t think it is, but I’m open to correction.

Rumour has it that the same management team will be in place again next year… Anyone got thoughts, so far nobody had contradicted my previous revelations (obviously because I am well informed too); Here’s two more revelations to ponder regarding the merits of the current management team.
One player was included in the squad who was actually injured throughout preparations. Of course his father was a selector. Then again the manager will have a family member contending next year. Does anyone wonder why Sean Kelly and Jimmy Meagher, two very good coaches stepped away this year. Were they propping up the manager for the last few years. Hence such an easy exit this year. Unusual given that on paper Kilkenny had a huge chance of winning a Minor All-Ireland in 2016. Feel free to do your own investigations.

In my opinion this management is not good and do not look outside the city bias which is not good overall, particulalry for motivating our up and coming young players.

From a positive overall point of view, the suggestion from rrand1, which has been around for a few years now, about the north colleges/south colleges/city colleges competition is essential going forward. It deserves more meat, but not at this point.

Could you not just address citykat directly instead of speaking about him or her in the third person like you're holding them up as an example of a bold child? It's hard to have a civilised discussion with you to be honest, when you're speaking past people instead of to them.

dastardly00

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Could you not just address citykat directly instead of speaking about him or her in the third person like you're holding them up as an example of a bold child? It's hard to have a civilised discussion with you to be honest, when you're speaking past people instead of to them.

+1

citykat

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

citykat wrote: »

As for the lad selected after a self imposed break, in any normal situation he wouldn't have been selected. It was unusual for a manager that has played hardball with other lads for less. The fact that he was selected speaks volumes especially as he'll be underage again next year. To his credit he scored 4 pts from play, 8 in total. I could be a bollix and say that's 8 more than his two country schooled colleagues in the full forward line managed but that would be ridiculous.

This guy really does not get it! He actual believe this was the right thing to do!
He thinks it is acceptable for Kilkenny, the greatest hurling county there is . I suppose his name gives away the city bias and it is in line with the city bias, which is festering to danger point. I tried to avoid identifying the player concerned but ccitykat had no such qualms by giving his score, Doesn t deny it in fairness and Citykat is proud of it.. Absolutely does not see an issue.

He cannot see the affect on moral of the other young players. He just cannot see it.
He doesn t see that the two country schooled colleagues as he patronisingly put it, actually scored 3-5 (3-3 from play) between them in the previous game when he wasn t there as well as providing assists and winning frees that were scored. They were also scoring for fun in challenge games when he wasnt there and they didn t have to contend with a centre back who had only one target in mind in those previous games. citykat, He or she does not see that changing the dynamic for one player can have a detrimental affect on the balance of the team. No, that doesn t matter to Citykat. He s like the teacher from SKC who commented if we had all SKC lads, we would have won! Even the CBS lads might want to have something to say on that. Or he could be he/she be like kksaints who says it really doesn t matter if they win All-Irelands or not . Maybe that is the general consensus. Somehow I don t think it is, but I m open to correction.

Rumour has it that the same management team will be in place again next year Anyone got thoughts, so far nobody had contradicted my previous revelations (obviously because I am well informed too); Here s two more revelations to ponder regarding the merits of the current management team.
One player was included in the squad who was actually injured throughout preparations. Of course his father was a selector. Then again the manager will have a family member contending next year. Does anyone wonder why Sean Kelly and Jimmy Meagher, two very good coaches stepped away this year. Were they propping up the manager for the last few years. Hence such an easy exit this year. Unusual given that on paper Kilkenny had a huge chance of winning a Minor All-Ireland in 2016. Feel free to do your own investigations.

In my opinion this management is not good and do not look outside the city bias which is not good overall, particulalry for motivating our up and coming young players.

From a positive overall point of view, the suggestion from rrand1, which has been around for a few years now, about the north colleges/south colleges/city colleges competition is essential going forward. It deserves more meat, but not at this point.

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Let me clarify as you misread my post. I didn t approve of picking a player who had voluntarily signed himself off the panel. As I said, for a manager who played hardball with lads for less this year and previous years, it just indicated how desperate he was for decent forwards, especially given that this individual is underage again next year. FWIW the dogs in the street know about all this so wind your neck in. To be fair to the lad, at least he stood up when it counted.[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]There s a saying in sport, you re only as good as your last match . The facts are that in the last Kilkenny minor match of this year, when it really mattered, only two forwards scored. What the other four did in previous matches is immaterial. Bitching about ball being delivered from the centre back is just an excuse. DJ Carey was once asked what was his favourite type of delivery from the backs. He said he didn t have one. He said that once the ball was cleared by the backs, it was the forwards job to win it no matter what way it came.[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]You say that Kilkenny had a huge chance of winning a Minor All Ireland in 2016 . How do you make that out? What form line are you using? Could it be anything to do with a certain schools all Ireland that was won earlier this year?[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Dublin were by far the better team on the day. The Kilkenny goalkeeper made three excellent saves which kept them in the game. [/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]This year was unusual in that there was no back door at this stage of the competition. It ll be tough on the individuals involved, some of whom may never play for Kilkenny again. It s not though the end of the world. Plenty of Kilkenny players of recent vintage never won a minor All Ireland: Tommy, JJ, M Rice, Jackie to name a few. They turned out alright.[/font]

Bonniedog

Tell me this.

Will you be fielding in three weeks time :-)

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Bonniedog wrote: »

Tell me this.

Will you be fielding in three weeks time :-)

We'll see if we can get a few bob from the local creamery to send a bus up.

randd1

citykat wrote: »

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Let me clarify as you misread my post. I didn t approve of picking a player who had voluntarily signed himself off the panel. As I said, for a manager who played hardball with lads for less this year and previous years, it just indicated how desperate he was for decent forwards, especially given that this individual is underage again next year. FWIW the dogs in the street know about all this so wind your neck in. To be fair to the lad, at least he stood up when it counted.[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]There s a saying in sport, you re only as good as your last match . The facts are that in the last Kilkenny minor match of this year, when it really mattered, only two forwards scored. What the other four did in previous matches is immaterial. Bitching about ball being delivered from the centre back is just an excuse. DJ Carey was once asked what was his favourite type of delivery from the backs. He said he didn t have one. He said that once the ball was cleared by the backs, it was the forwards job to win it no matter what way it came.[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]You say that Kilkenny had a huge chance of winning a Minor All Ireland in 2016 . How do you make that out? What form line are you using? Could it be anything to do with a certain schools all Ireland that was won earlier this year?[/font]

[font=Arial, sans-serif]Dublin were by far the better team on the day. The Kilkenny goalkeeper made three excellent saves which kept them in the game. [/font][font=Arial, sans-serif]This year was unusual in that there was no back door at this stage of the competition. It ll be tough on the individuals involved, some of whom may never play for Kilkenny again. It s not though the end of the world. Plenty of Kilkenny players of recent vintage never won a minor All Ireland: Tommy, JJ, M Rice, Jackie to name a few. They turned out alright.[/font]

Michael Rice captained the Kilkenny minors to the AI in 2002; the first Shocks man to do so.

tcjimmy

randd1 wrote: »

Michael Rice captained the Kilkenny minors to the AI in 2002; the first Shocks man to do so.

And truly played a captain's part that day with a powerhouse performance in the second half to drag Kilkenny back into that final .

Bonniedog

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

We'll see if we can get a few bob from the local creamery to send a bus up.

Looking forward to it. Should be good game and glad it is out of Croker. Unfortunately not in Parnell!

Jury is still out on the Dublin puck out strategy. Can see it all going horribly badly on some day, but hopefully not against the stripey lads!

See you all then!

Formosa

tcjimmy wrote: »

randd1 wrote: »

Michael Rice captained the Kilkenny minors to the AI in 2002; the first Shocks man to do so.

And truly played a captain's part that day with a powerhouse performance in the second half to drag Kilkenny back into that final .

True for you, they'd probably only have won by 9 or 10 points without him....

Cornerback1

Bonniedog wrote: »

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

We'll see if we can get a few bob from the local creamery to send a bus up.

Looking forward to it. Should be good game and glad it is out of Croker. Unfortunately not in Parnell!

Jury is still out on the Dublin puck out strategy. Can see it all going horribly badly on some day, but hopefully not against the stripey lads!

See you all then!

Thought Wexford were poor, especially in defence. Always wanted an extra second on the ball every time they had it.

Conditions were very poor though but Dublin coped far better.

brookville

citykat wrote: »

Got to the Village/Boro match this evening. Evenly matched for the first half with just the bare minimum separating the teams at half time. Village looked slightly stronger especially in the forwards with their half forward line of Larkin, Mullins & Browne causing havoc running at the Boro defence. But for the goal, the Village would have been deservedly ahead. Different story in the second half. Boro were by far the better team and but for some wastefulness in front of goal would have won by far more. Larkin along with the rest of his forward colleagues were anonymous. Ruth put over from about 6 yards out when it looked easier to goal. Bar that chance the village never really troubled the Boro defence in any meaningful way.
Buckley was back in familiar territory at CB and was motm. Larks had a good first half. Jackie played the whole game and played it well though he did get caught in possession a few times trying to run the ball out of defence. Cody was solid without being spectacular.

Did luke scanlon play or what's the nature of his injury?just in relation to the u21 wednesday night id expect something along the lines brennan in the goal,ciaran wallace,evan coady,conor delaney,jason cleere,paddy deegan,huw lawlor,mullins,scanlon if his fit or leahy,liam blanchfield,sean morrissey,john walsh and billy ryan alan murphy should be five of the six fowards.James maher is back running so hopefully he'll be back in a few weeks should we progress

JJs Left Hand

tcjimmy wrote: »

And truly played a captain's part that day with a powerhouse performance in the second half to drag Kilkenny back into that final .

We won that day by 14 points and were 6 up at half time so you're tearing your hole here.


Can't believe we lost to Johnstown last night. Johnstown and Ballyragget always a complete recipe for disaster.

Bonniedog

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Thought Wexford were poor, especially in defence. Always wanted an extra second on the ball every time they had it.

Conditions were very poor though but Dublin coped far better.

They have gone really bad. Not even a bit of badness in them last night.

I'd imagine Cunningham has had his eye on the next game since the draw was made so it should be a good match. I think we missed whatever chance we ever had in 2013, but it is decent enough side so fingers crossed!

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

citykat wrote: »

Got to the Village/Boro match this evening. Evenly matched for the first half with just the bare minimum separating the teams at half time. Village looked slightly stronger especially in the forwards with their half forward line of Larkin, Mullins & Browne causing havoc running at the Boro defence. But for the goal, the Village would have been deservedly ahead. Different story in the second half. Boro were by far the better team and but for some wastefulness in front of goal would have won by far more. Larkin along with the rest of his forward colleagues were anonymous. Ruth put over from about 6 yards out when it looked easier to goal. Bar that chance the village never really troubled the Boro defence in any meaningful way.
Buckley was back in familiar territory at CB and was motm. Larks had a good first half. Jackie played the whole game and played it well though he did get caught in possession a few times trying to run the ball out of defence. Cody was solid without being spectacular.

Did luke scanlon play or what's the nature of his injury?just in relation to the u21 wednesday night id expect something along the lines brennan in the goal,ciaran wallace,evan coady,conor delaney,jason cleere,paddy deegan,huw lawlor,mullins,scanlon if his fit or leahy,liam blanchfield,sean morrissey,john walsh and billy ryan should be four or the six fowards.James maher is back running so hopefully he'll be back in a few weeks should we progress

I though James was out for the season?

blackcard

Ballyhale had a comfortable 8 point victory over Danesfort who seem destined for the relegation play-offs. Paul Murphy was best for Danesfort who hit 17 wides. Richie Hogan had a quiet game and came off after 45 minutes, presumably running out of steam but his form and fitness are definitely a concern. Michael Fennelly had a comfortable outing at centre back but came off after 50 minutes, didn't see anything up with him. Colin Fennelly helped himself to around 5 points and is in superb condition. Danesfort are many people's favourites for relegation but will provide a battle for anyone if Richie Hogan is fit and their shooting is more accurate. Shamrocks will be there or thereabouts as always for the Championship.
The Bridge had their first win at senior level in over 30 years after a 7 point win over the Rower. The Rower were missing Darragh Joyce and Richie Leahy whilst Jason Cleere played corner forward for the Bridge as he didn't seem fully fit. The Rower hit a good few wides and had a penalty saved whilst the Bridge missed two good goal opportunities. Robert Lennon played well for the winners, Eoin Doyle was good for the Rower. With only two points separating the six sides, this group is extremely tight with no team safe from the relegation play-offs

Cornerback1

blackcard wrote: »

Ballyhale had a comfortable 8 point victory over Danesfort who seem destined for the relegation play-offs. Paul Murphy was best for Danesfort who hit 17 wides. Richie Hogan had a quiet game and came off after 45 minutes, presumably running out of steam but his form and fitness are definitely a concern. Michael Fennelly had a comfortable outing at centre back but came off after 50 minutes, didn't see anything up with him. Colin Fennelly helped himself to around 5 points and is in superb condition. Danesfort are many people's favourites for relegation but will provide a battle for anyone if Richie Hogan is fit and their shooting is more accurate. Shamrocks will be there or thereabouts as always for the Championship.
The Bridge had their first win at senior level in over 30 years after a 7 point win over the Rower. The Rower were missing Darragh Joyce and Richie Leahy whilst Jason Cleere played corner forward for the Bridge as he didn't seem fully fit. The Rower hit a good few wides and had a penalty saved whilst the Bridge missed two good goal opportunities. Robert Lennon played well for the winners, Eoin Doyle was good for the Rower. With only two points separating the six sides, this group is extremely tight with no team safe from the relegation play-offs

Richie hasn't seemed right all year for some reason. Hopefully he can push on now and get get back to him best over next few weeks.

brookville

Cornerback1 wrote: »

I though James was out for the season?

He was in the paper's during the week saying he hopes to see action this year and his back running I've heard it's not as bad as initially feared.

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Cornerback1 wrote: »

I though James was out for the season?

He was in the paper's during the week saying he hopes to see action this year and his back running I've heard it's not as bad as initially feared.

Thanks for that. That's good news. Hopefully see him later in the year!

dubcat51

Shocking game again today.this sweeper system will keep people at home and send the people who do turn up asleep.county like cork bowing to pressure to play against their natural game.if we ever start playing a sweeper.I would stop going.

Cornerback1

dubcat51 wrote: »

Shocking game again today.this sweeper system will keep people at home and send the people who do turn up asleep.county like cork bowing to pressure to play against their natural game.if we ever start playing a sweeper.I would stop going.

Again, another team who continue to play a sweeper when 7 or 8pts down. I don't get it.

Some reporter should ask why?

Bonniedog

dubcat51 wrote: »

Shocking game again today.this sweeper system will keep people at home and send the people who do turn up asleep.county like cork bowing to pressure to play against their natural game.if we ever start playing a sweeper.I would stop going.

Mulcahy said it on the commentary. "Cork nine points down, and still playing sweeper".

It is indeed strange.

mullinr2

As much as I love hurling, it's going to **** with this sweeper system. Even last years hurling championship was crap. The way we played last year was crap. The lack of goals is killing the game. Where's the excitement?

randd1

tcjimmy wrote: »

And truly played a captain's part that day with a powerhouse performance in the second half to drag Kilkenny back into that final .

You sure you're not confusing that with Richie Power's performance the following year?

citykat

brookville wrote: »

Did luke scanlon play or what's the nature of his injury?

No sign of him. Not listed on the programme. No idea of his injury.

Noddy33

"Richie Hogan had a quiet game and came off after 45 minutes, presumably running out of steam but his form and fitness are definitely a concern. Michael Fennelly had a comfortable outing at centre back but came off after 50 minutes, didn't see anything up with him. Colin Fennelly helped himself to around 5 points and is in superb condition. Danesfort are many people's favourites for relegation but will provide a battle for anyone if Richie Hogan is fit and their shooting is more accurate."


Richie Hogan came off injured and went to hospital after for x-ray on possible brokem thumb.Mick Fennelly also came off due to injury and it was the hamstring again. It didnt look too bad for him hopefully just a minor strain. Danesfort went in only a point behind at half time but had a huge amount of wides that cost them hugely afters. Murphy was very good as were all the defensive unit for Danesfort but the inability to take the scores upfront cost them. Joey Holden was ok and he was on Tom Whitty at start who is a very tall rangy forward simeilar to wally and was causing Joey some problems

brookville

Noddy33 wrote: »

"Richie Hogan had a quiet game and came off after 45 minutes, presumably running out of steam but his form and fitness are definitely a concern. Michael Fennelly had a comfortable outing at centre back but came off after 50 minutes, didn't see anything up with him. Colin Fennelly helped himself to around 5 points and is in superb condition. Danesfort are many people's favourites for relegation but will provide a battle for anyone if Richie Hogan is fit and their shooting is more accurate."


Richie Hogan came off injured and went to hospital after for x-ray on possible brokem thumb.Mick Fennelly also came off due to injury and it was the hamstring again. It didnt look too bad for him hopefully just a minor strain. Danesfort went in only a point behind at half time but had a huge amount of wides that cost them hugely afters. Murphy was very good as were all the defensive unit for Danesfort but the inability to take the scores upfront cost them. Joey Holden was ok and he was on Tom Whitty at start who is a very tall rangy forward simeilar to wally and was causing Joey some problems

Unfortunately it seems richie picked up a bad hand injury he will be a huge loss against dublin

brookville

Noddy33 wrote: »

"Richie Hogan had a quiet game and came off after 45 minutes, presumably running out of steam but his form and fitness are definitely a concern. Michael Fennelly had a comfortable outing at centre back but came off after 50 minutes, didn't see anything up with him. Colin Fennelly helped himself to around 5 points and is in superb condition. Danesfort are many people's favourites for relegation but will provide a battle for anyone if Richie Hogan is fit and their shooting is more accurate."


Richie Hogan came off injured and went to hospital after for x-ray on possible brokem thumb.Mick Fennelly also came off due to injury and it was the hamstring again. It didnt look too bad for him hopefully just a minor strain. Danesfort went in only a point behind at half time but had a huge amount of wides that cost them hugely afters. Murphy was very good as were all the defensive unit for Danesfort but the inability to take the scores upfront cost them. Joey Holden was ok and he was on Tom Whitty at start who is a very tall rangy forward simeilar to wally and was causing Joey some problems

Unfortunately it seems richie picked up a bad hand injury he will be a huge loss against dublin

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Noddy33 wrote: »

"Richie Hogan had a quiet game and came off after 45 minutes, presumably running out of steam but his form and fitness are definitely a concern. Michael Fennelly had a comfortable outing at centre back but came off after 50 minutes, didn't see anything up with him. Colin Fennelly helped himself to around 5 points and is in superb condition. Danesfort are many people's favourites for relegation but will provide a battle for anyone if Richie Hogan is fit and their shooting is more accurate."


Richie Hogan came off injured and went to hospital after for x-ray on possible brokem thumb.Mick Fennelly also came off due to injury and it was the hamstring again. It didnt look too bad for him hopefully just a minor strain. Danesfort went in only a point behind at half time but had a huge amount of wides that cost them hugely afters. Murphy was very good as were all the defensive unit for Danesfort but the inability to take the scores upfront cost them. Joey Holden was ok and he was on Tom Whitty at start who is a very tall rangy forward simeilar to wally and was causing Joey some problems

Unfortunately it seems richie picked up a bad hand injury he will be a huge loss against dublin

That doesn't sound good! Any idea of it's extent?

brookville

Cornerback1 wrote: »

That doesn't sound good! Any idea of it's extent?

Broken hand