Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

citykat

Jeesh. Some lads need to get a grip.

windy shepard henderson

citykat wrote: »

Jeesh. Some lads need to get a grip.

world gone mad , last week cork were all ireland contenders , this week kilkenny are heading for the christy ring cup , i understand the talk about transition but in fairness some of the panic is unreal

unrealtime

Can't agree that Kk are heading for the ring cup - yet

Mulbert

unrealtime wrote:

Can't agree that Kk are heading for the ring cup - yet

Obviously not, but I'd say Davy Fitz likes what he's seen. Kilkenny in a qualifier again?

jelutong

Clare have far better ball strikers than Kilkenny in my opinion. Most of them can hit the ball off their left and right hand sides. Kilkenny are lacking in that area I think.

windy shepard henderson

Mulbert wrote: »

Obviously not, but I'd say Davy Fitz likes what he's seen. Kilkenny in a qualifier again?

not a hope , ye had a worse league two years ago narrowly beating us in the play off , ye had a fairly ok championship after that ,

ttowncat

I read somewhere but I need someone to confirm it: Is the league this year a straight relegation for bottom place or is it still a play off between the bottom two?

windy shepard henderson

ttowncat wrote: »

I read somewhere but I need someone to confirm it: Is the league this year a straight relegation for bottom place or is it still a play off between the bottom two?

nearly certain there still is but there is no fixture planed on the gaa website http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/hurling-league-roinn-1/

dubcat51

Wont get to down after today.I was in coek last night and they were as bad as us today.have said sll along that we should stick with last years half back line keep murphy in the corner and look at full back and left corner.fogarty midfield with 1 other .tj richie walter 3 given forwards for me.other 3 spots up for grabs.were moving 3 certain starters out of there best positions to fill other gaps and its not working.

brookville

dubcat51 wrote: »

Wont get to down after today.I was in coek last night and they were as bad as us today.have said sll along that we should stick with last years half back line keep murphy in the corner and look at full back and left corner.fogarty midfield with 1 other .tj richie walter 3 given forwards for me.other 3 spots up for grabs.were moving 3 certain starters out of there best positions to fill other gaps and its not working.

The problem with this is we haven't got 6 players to step up or near stepping up.Management don't trust joey at 3 anymore,corner back is a issue aswell while o shea,michael walsh etc will be ok in these conditions they'll be cleaned in the summer.
Up front I can't understand how the likes of chris bolger isn't ahead of a few subs who have seen league and walsh cup action.
Richie hogan looks like a man who isn't enjoying his hurling at the moment

dubcat51

Agree re chris bolger.much better than kelly imo.agree walsh and o shea will be to slow in the summer.colin ger awlyard and bolger would be my 3 to add to tj richie and walter.maybe john walsh if he is fit.backs like I said we have 4 and surely we can find 2.would keep joey at full until a better alternative comes along.

windy shepard henderson

ttowncat wrote: »

I read somewhere but I need someone to confirm it: Is the league this year a straight relegation for bottom place or is it still a play off between the bottom two?

no relegation playoff this year , as i heard before but wasnt sure , this is from the offical gaa website makes sense really , and makes the next game against cork huge for the cats

v3ttel

Watching the warm up before the match, I knew it was going to be a hiding when 6 or 7 lads in a row couldn't even rise the ball first time with no one around them in a drill. They all looked totally off, it was flat even before the game. I wasn't surprised we were 6 points down after 3 minutes.

I'd like to see us start by putting players in their best positions. Paul Murphy just seems lost at center back (and was lost at full back last year) but is probably the best corner back in the country. Padraig Walsh is wasted at full back, but tried his best there today. I wish we'd show some trust in lads like that have been around the setup for a while like Robert Lennon, James Maher, Ger Alyward. Lennon did very well in the Leinster final last year and has barely been seen since.

For the Cork game, I'd like to see

1. E. Murphy

2. P. Murphy
3. R. Lennon
4. C. O'Shea

5. P. Walsh
6. K. Joyce
7. C. Buckley

8. C. Fogarty
9. O. Walsh

10. TJ Reid
11. R. Hogan
12. J. Maher

13. L. Blanchfield
14. K. Kelly
15. G. Alyward

With A. Murphy, R.Maher, L. Scanlon, P.Lyng (assuming he is ok) to come in depending on how it's going. Luke Scanlon and Alan Murphy need to be given a run, they are talented and can't perform worse than any of the lads today. I heard Walter was struggling with a hamstring injury, so I doubt he'll be back in 2 weeks.

Sure, there is not the talent there of past years, but there are lads there with potential. What worried me was that there was zero will to fight. They just gave up in the last 15 mins after the penalty miss. That's the most alarming thing by far for me. I hope Cody won't stand for it. It doesn't matter if you are 30 points down with 2 minutes to go, you still f*cking try and have pride enough in the jersey to fight to the death.

windy shepard henderson

v3ttel wrote: »

Watching the warm up before the match, I knew it was going to be a hiding when 6 or 7 lads in a row couldn't even rise the ball first time with no one around them in a drill. They all looked totally off, it was flat even before the game. I wasn't surprised we were 6 points down after 3 minutes.

I'd like to see us start by putting players in their best positions. Paul Murphy just seems lost at center back (and was lost at full back last year) but is probably the best corner back in the country. Padraig Walsh is wasted at full back, but tried his best there today. I wish we'd show some trust in lads like that have been around the setup for a while like Robert Lennon, James Maher, Ger Alyward. Lennon did very well in the Leinster final last year and has barely been seen since.

For the Cork game, I'd like to see

1. E. Murphy

2. P. Murphy
3. R. Lennon
4. C. O'Shea

5. P. Walsh
6. K. Joyce
7. C. Buckley

8. C. Fogarty
9. O. Walsh

10. TJ Reid
11. R. Hogan
12. J. Maher

13. L. Blanchfield
14. K. Kelly
15. G. Alyward

With A. Murphy, R.Maher, L. Scanlon, P.Lyng (assuming he is ok) to come in depending on how it's going. Luke Scanlon and Alan Murphy need to be given a run, they are talented and can't perform worse than any of the lads today. I heard Walter was struggling with a hamstring injury, so I doubt he'll be back in 2 weeks.

Sure, there is not the talent there of past years, but there are lads there with potential. What worried me was that there was zero will to fight. They just gave up in the last 15 mins after the penalty miss. That's the most alarming thing by far for me. I hope Cody won't stand for it. It doesn't matter if you are 30 points down with 2 minutes to go, you still f*cking try and have pride enough in the jersey to fight to the death.

in my opinion the league is all about trying to find your best team for the championship while being competitive , playing so many players out of possition didnt help but better to find that out now , also kilkenny picked up a number of injuries either side of half time when they were coming back into the game , it broke there structure altogether .

if the penalty had been scored it would have been a close finish , what should annoy kilkenny supporters though was how quick players were in throwing in the towel especially after ritchie had gone off

you mentioned walter , was expecting a good game from him today , it seems he only plays well when he is on the edge of being dropped or being heavily criticized , he was awful today two lads in midfield played well though

68deville

dubcat51 wrote: »

Agree re chris bolger.much better than kelly imo.agree walsh and o shea will be to slow in the summer.colin ger awlyard and bolger would be my 3 to add to tj richie and walter.maybe john walsh if he is fit.backs like I said we have 4 and surely we can find 2.would keep joey at full until a better alternative comes along.

Gud God Chris Bolger seems to be the answer,from what I have seen of him
He v like aylward, needs perfect precision ball to make an impact on a game

Topcat32

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

no relegation playoff this year , as i heard before but wasnt sure , this is from the offical gaa website makes sense really , and makes the next game against cork huge for the cats

That could just be the match between the team that was bottom of 1B and top of 2A, not the actual relegation playoff for dropping down to 1B

Topcat32

68deville wrote: »

Gud God Chris Bolger seems to be the answer,from what I have seen of him
He v like aylward, needs perfect precision ball to make an impact on a game

I think Aylward at his best and when fit offers more than that, he was an all star 2 years ago after all. I do think that Chris Bolgers reputation might be a bit overstated but he deserves a chance to impress.

68deville

Topcat32 wrote: »

I think Aylward at his best and when fit offers more than that, he was an all star 2 years ago after all. I do think that Chris Bolgers reputation might be a bit overstated but he deserves a chance to impress.

Joey got an allstar also and I think his reputation allstar included as a bit overstated

Topcat32

68deville wrote: »

Joey got an allstar also and I think his reputation allstar included as a bit overstated

No sure what Joey Holden has got to do with Ger Aylward, beyond that Joey was an all star in 2015 and his reputation fell since, Ger got a deserved all star in 2015, not much he could do about thing last year with a cruciate in jury, id take him over Kelly, Bolger, Farrell or any on the younger lads.

68deville

Topcat32 wrote: »

No sure what Joey Holden has got to do with Ger Aylward, beyond that Joey was an all star in 2015 and his reputation fell since, Ger got a deserved all star in 2015, not much he could do about thing last year with a cruciate in jury, id take him over Kelly, Bolger, Farrell or any on the younger lads.

Joey got an allstar having murphy joined to his hip, when he had to stand alone he got utterly cleaned

Realt Dearg Sec

68deville wrote: »

Topcat32 wrote: »

No sure what Joey Holden has got to do with Ger Aylward, beyond that Joey was an all star in 2015 and his reputation fell since, Ger got a deserved all star in 2015, not much he could do about thing last year with a cruciate in jury, id take him over Kelly, Bolger, Farrell or any on the younger lads.

Joey got an allstar having murphy joined to his hip, when he had to stand alone he got utterly cleaned

Yeah but what has that to do with Aylward?

windy shepard henderson

Topcat32 wrote: »

That could just be the match between the team that was bottom of 1B and top of 2A, not the actual relegation playoff for dropping down to 1B

probably , i am not sure but i imagine there will be a play off for the bottom 2 , i dont think either your county or mine want to even consider contesting that match , i expect ye to beat cork next week and that should start to put ye back on track again

68deville

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah but what has that to do with Aylward?

He still involved?

Tipp perspective on Kilkenny's current form, i think there will be an adjustment period while the youngsters get the bit of experience but Kilkenny will come out the other side sooner than later. I honestly think come summer time they will be at the business end of the championship and the upcoming games will bring the lads a long way. Fair to say it will be tougher this year more than any other year of Cody's tenure and if im being completely honest they don't look as strong or equipped for ourselves or Waterford at this present moment in time but in time i think they will put together a strong side that will be competitive within the next 2-3 years if not sooner.

There is fierce pressure on the new lads to deliver id imagine and there is probably a chasm between those who have left and those who are coming through. Mick Fennelly is probably the most experienced of the lot and he has had his injury problems. Ger Aylward and James Maher have been quite unlucky too. They could add a hell of alot to Kilkenny's arsenal as could John Power who is on club duty with Carrickshock.

Cody walked into an experienced team back in 1998 who needed to realise their potential at the time and had a golden crop following those lads which stretched their long reign to the maximum limits. Its different now. The unbelievable team they had have all dropped off one by one there is a gap until the new generation of top players filter through.

Kilkenny had a core of 6 top class players that retired in the subsequent 3 seasons after the 2014 final (Larkin, Tommy Walsh, Tyrell, Delaney, Shefflin, Richie Power). The guys that remain aside from Eoin Murphy, Paul Murphy, the Fennelly's, Padraic Walsh and one or two others are not in the same league so its up to the new boys to step up now.

I wouldnt paint it all doom and gloom for Kilkenny. In a county where hurling is number one id imagine there is the personnel and expertise in abundance to get them back to elite level asap.

Village87

Where are our Leaders :

Now that a lot of the greats are retired its time for leaders to step up when we need them:

Eoin Murphy: Doing Great
Padraig Walsh: Doing Great
Joey Holden: Not near up to it
Joyce: Doing OK this year, have my doubts
Paul Murphy: Very poor centre back, looks uncoordinated. Put him back in the corner to mark someone
Cillian Buckley: Better in midfield, doing ok
Conor Fogarty: Really need him to do something with Mick Fennelly gone, terrible so far, again skill level and striking is slow and deliberate
TJ: doing good, but nearly 30 now
R Hogan: Trying hard.
Wally Walsh: Great year last year when needed him, hard to judge so far.

That is the list of men that are essentially the leaders this year, younger guys will filter in around them. I stated before that Murphy and Fogarty need to up there performances now that a lot of the teams that were back boned by all Ireland winners are retired: Both very disappointing so far

Ceist_Beag

On the subject of where lads should play, Kevin Kelly should play further out the field. Corner forward (or full) is not the place for him. Cody should have a chat with DJ about where his best position is.

Cornerback1

Ceist_Beag wrote: »

On the subject of where lads should play, Kevin Kelly should play further out the field. Corner forward (or full) is not the place for him. Cody should have a chat with DJ about where his best position is.

I saw him playing mid-field for Carlow IT v Meath in Walsh Cup. Played really well there but it was only 1 game in mid Jan.

Topcat32

How about the following team, injury permitting for the last few rounds

E Murphy

P Murphy P Walsh J Holden

K Joyce C Buckley C Fogarty

K Kelly O Walsh

W Walsh C Fennelly TJ Reid

L Blanchfield R Hogan C Bolger

If aylward was fit and available id put him in instead of Bolger.

Twiceasnice97

Village87 wrote: »

Kilkenny should beat a Clare the weekend by 3+, i know now why Davy played the sweeper system with Clare, there backs are dreadful.

bump

Twiceasnice97

Morris Moss wrote: »

Padraig is about 6 foot, don't know his weight but I agree Barry looks bigger.

much smaller than that. 5 - 10 max is my guess