MATCH THREAD: Leinster vs Wasps, Sun 15th Nov 2015 13:00, RDS, BTEUR

molloyjh

MATCH THREAD: Leinster vs Wasps, Sun 15th Nov 2015 13:00, RDS, BTEUR

A NEW BEGINNING?

After the disappointment of the RWC the provinces have had a couple of weeks to rotate the internationals back in. Those going back to Leinster went back to a new coaching set-up looking to play a very different brand of rugby to the previous 2 seasons. And a certain Jonathan Sexton is with them. But how are Leinster fixed heading into the new Champions Cup season? And what can we expect on Sunday?

Since taking over Leo Cullen and his assistants have looked to get Leinster playing a far more expansive game. And in the process have won 5 of their 7 games. While it is great to see a bit of ambition back in this Leinster side though it needs to be tempered with some pragmatism. Leinster have struggled at times to control games and have often had significant periods in games where they struggle to exit their half. Playing exciting offloading rugby is all well and good but sometimes you just need to play territory. Leinster may be guilty of overplaying things a bit this season in that regard.

With Wasps coming to town this weekend, and given the horrible fixture list the home side in the middle of, it is crucial that Leinster get the win. And with a number of injuries Leo has been forced to select a very uninspiring centre partnership which has been the cause of numerous comments already. But the Leinster pack and half-backs are seriously strong. And with the weather forecast suggesting it will be a miserable day that might actually work in our favour.

I haven't actually seen Wasps yet this season, but their stats don't give a huge cause for concern there. 6 tries in 4 games to Leinsters 15 in 7 have them in 8th in the AP. Their outside backs are, on paper at least, very dangerous though. We all know Wade at this stage, but the 2 Kiwis are both capped All Blacks so there is real quality in that back 3. They are missing a few guys from 1 - 10 though. Exactly where Leinster are strongest. Given this and the weather I'd be more than happy to see a much tighter and conservative affair than we've seen the last few weeks.

All that said I have absolutely no idea what to expect from Leinster tomorrow. They could just as easily turn in a great performance or a disjointed one. Internationals that are not overly familiar with the game plan and a few combinations in the backs that aren't too familiar with one another and certainly not an ideal unit are not what Leinster need to implement an offloading game! With the weather looking like it is going to be poor I'm going to back Leinster to win a tight affair by 4 points. But I am nervous.

01. Jack McGrath |01. Matt Mullan
02. Richardt Strauss|02. Carlo Festuccia
03. Mike Ross|03. Jake Cooper-Woolley
04. Devin Toner |04. Joe Launchbury
05. Mike McCarthy|05. Bradley Davies
06. Jordi Murphy|06. Sam Jones
07. Sean O'Brien|07. George Smith
08. Jamie Heaslip|08. Nathan Hughes
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09. Eoin Reddan|09. Joe Simpson
10. Johnny Sexton|10. Ruaridh Jackson
11. Dave Kearney|11. Frank Halai
12. Noel Reid|12. Ben Jacobs  
13. Fergus McFadden|13. Elliot Daly
14. Zane Kirchner|14. Christian Wade
15. Isa Nacewa|15. Charles Piutau
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16. Sean Cronin|16. Ashley Johnson
17. Cian Healy|17. Simon McIntyre
18. Tadhg Furlong|18. Phil Swainston
19. Hayden Triggs|19. James Gaskell 
20. Jack Conan|20. Guy Thompson
21. Luke McGrath|21. Dan Robson
22. Ian Madigan|22. Alex Lozowski 
23. Garry Ringrose|23. Sailosi Tagicakibau

CatFromHue

Is that that George Smith?

Triumvirate

CatFromHue wrote: »

Is that that George Smith?

Tis. I hear he's good.

stephen_n

Great write up!

How would people see us approaching this, pragmatism would suggest expansive is not the way to go. Though if we go for an Aerial game it would want to be precise, given the strength of their back three. Is our pack likely to gain dominance if we adopt the Munster approach, how strong have Wasps pack been this year?

vienne86

Great write up, Molloy!

Weather forecast for tomorrow afternoon is actually not too bad, which will hopefully help the quality of rugby. I will be shocked (and pissed off) if Leinster don't win, but I think it will be tight.

Bridge93

I'm gonna go out brave and say Leinster by 12-15 points. backing the pack to swat Wasps aside like a... wasp

The Diamond Sea

wasps by 1-5

sheep?

former total

Well the weather is shocking again so hopefully that will nullify their back three a bit.

I expect a win here. A loss in unthinkable really, our campaign would be over before it's begun.

vienne86

former total wrote: »

Well the weather is shocking again so hopefully that will nullify their back three a bit.

I expect a win here. A loss in unthinkable really, our campaign would be over before it's begun.

Blowing a gale, but not cold and I bet it'll be dry by lunchtime.

CMOTDibbler

vienne86 wrote: »

Blowing a gale, but not cold and I bet it'll be dry by lunchtime.

The wind will be a problem with lineouts and kicks. Going to be interesting to see how both teams cope.

vienne86

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

The wind will be a problem with lineouts and kicks. Going to be interesting to see how both teams cope.

RDS is tricky for wind at the best of times. Hopefully Leinster's familiarity with the place will give them a signigicant advantage.

awec

This lunchtime kick off business is a nuisance.

aimee1

nacewa out, madigan starts at full back

NiallBoo

aimee1 wrote: »

nacewa out, madigan starts at full back

Who moves onto the bench?

errlloyd

NiallBoo wrote: »

Who moves onto the bench?

Marsh.

sullivlo

NiallBoo wrote: »

Who moves onto the bench?

Marsh

molloyjh

Crap, crap, crap!

errlloyd

This makes no sense. We genuinely have half our back line playing out of position.

awec

aimee1 wrote: »

nacewa out, madigan starts at full back

Oh dear

crisco10

Would have preferred nacewa by some distance. Expect madigan to be targeted with high balls moving in the wind.

dubal

Will mads take over place kicking?

Dubal

NiallBoo

crisco10 wrote: »

Would have preferred nacewa by some distance. Expect madigan to be targeted with high balls moving in the wind.

Wouldn't be too worried, he's done fine when playing at full-back before.

thomond2006

McGrath, Marsh and Ringrose

That must be Leinster's most inexperienced trio of replacement backs in Europe. The weather right now isn't as bad as predicted so hopefully no more injuries during the match.

.ak

Not quite sure why kirchner wasn't shifted to fullback there and we brought in another winger...

phog

Isa is a huge loss, he attacking ability from FB and his leadership will be sorely missed. I still think Leinster have enough to win the game but looking Isa makes it a tad more difficult.

.ak

.ak wrote: »

Not quite sure why kirchner wasn't shifted to fullback there and we brought in another winger...

The only other options is Ringrose on the wing, Kirch to FB.

phog

Weather forecast is for dry but windy, very windy weather. At least ye have the pack to keep it tight.

CIARAN_BOYLE

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The only other options is Ringrose on the wing, Kirch to FB.

Or Kirchener to fb mcfadden to wing either ringrose or oshea to centre too muchh disruption

We are relying on the pack for this one imo

.ak

phog wrote: »

Isa is a huge loss, he attacking ability from FB and his leadership will be sorely missed. I still think Leinster have enough to win the game but looking Isa makes it a tad more difficult.

I think our back line looks fairly poor now, especially compared to theirs.

I'm not seeing how we win this tbh.

vienne86

aimee1 wrote: »

nacewa out, madigan starts at full back

Dammit! Isa is a huge loss.

thomond2006

Sun just came out here in Ballsbridge.

Halai, Piutau, Wade vs Kirchner, Madigan, Kearney

Very worrying prospects. Eliott Daly at 13 is very quick also. I think Leinster should hope it rains!

yosser hughes

.ak wrote: »

Not quite sure why kirchner wasn't shifted to fullback there and we brought in another winger...

I agree; it's a bizarre decision. The obvious choice is Kirchner to FB. Very odd .

Bridge93

.ak wrote: »

I think our back line looks fairly poor now, especially compared to theirs.

I'm not seeing how we win this tbh.

Fairly OTT? Injuries have left the backs pretty bare but 1-10 we're stronger in about 9 of the positions.
Better pack in that wind is huge. Also we're at home and Wasps are missing key men too. It'll be tricky sure but I never get the incessant negativity around Leinster games.
This will be a big shock if wasps win

vienne86

yosser hughes wrote: »

I agree; it's a bizarre decision. The obvious choice is Kirchner to FB. Very odd .

Yes indeed. Kirchner's best position is FB IMO.

stephen_n

Bringing Marsh into the bench, with Madigan already on the pitch, does that suggest that Johhny isn't fully fit?

hogandrew

vienne86 wrote: »

Yes indeed. Kirchner's best position is FB IMO.

There was definitely an improvement in his play when he switched to full back last week

sheep?

vienne86 wrote: »

Yes indeed. Kirchner's best position is FB IMO.

Not trying to be flippant, but then who goes to wing? MCfadden and then RR at 13? Perhaps more disruption than necessary. (Just playing devil's advocate here).

Or start CK or COS in Europe for the first time. I think Mads at full back creates less disruption than already has happened. Unless I'm missing a combination, than I'll look quite the fool.

Journeyman_1

We have an experienced European winger playing A games atm.....

#bringbackfanj

thomond2006

I wouldn't want Ringrose starting in a game like this just yet. Daly and that back three are lethal.

Neil3030

You'd imagine the team have trained all week in specific positions so best to swap only one player out/in than the two/three required to put Kirchner at FB.

NiallBoo

yosser hughes wrote: »

I agree; it's a bizarre decision. The obvious choice is Kirchner to FB. Very odd .

Probably trying to not rock the boat too much.

I'm sure they'd be doing something different if Nacewa had pulled out on Monday but this soon it makes sense to stick to what they've prepared as Much as possible.

Hagz

Back-line looks terrible. Any sort of win will do today. But it will be no shock if Wasps win.

NiallBoo

NiallBoo wrote: »

Probably trying to not rock the boat too much.

I'm sure they'd be doing something different if Nacewa had pulled out on Monday but this soon it makes sense to stick to what they've prepared as Much as possible.

Exactly. I'd say Madigan prepared all week to replace at 10 or 15. Marsh then become the obvious choice so that Madigan can focus on FB and not need to worry about closing the game out at 10.

former total

Madigan is a decent full back. No concerns about him really. Just too many "decent" players in the backline as a whole.

Neil3030

13/5 for the Wasps win... shall I do us all a favour and stick on a fiver? (I never win, you see).

Anywhere quiet with decent food in or near newbridge to watch the game?

whatawaster

.ak wrote: »

I think our back line looks fairly poor now, especially compared to theirs.

I'm not seeing how we win this tbh.

Far better half backs for one thing and a much stronger pack

The Parish King

Anyone know if it's possible to watch this on an iPhone without a BT subscription?

awec

5 mins to kick off but it seems like a terrible crowd

What the f**k is Drico wearing?