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The Mandela effect

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Oryx wrote: »
    How do you know youre not simply mistaken? Remembering things incorrectly?

    But the obvious and rational explanation not being the obvious and rational explanation is how these 'theories' come about, surely? It's how the originators of these notions create a professional space for themselves where none should exist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    Myrddin wrote: »
    No, it's showing a map made five hundred years ago (without the aid of modern technology), compared to a more modern representative map. The video is here, but is quite self explanatory

    I have memories going back centuries of other lifetimes I have lived, I would have seen those maps before, maybe that has something to do with it .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    On the earth I come from you probably would not be confused about where Australia is because it is completely isolated and on its own, it is unmissable where it is, the nearest land to it is thousands of miles away, and this is the reason it was used on the Earth that I come from as a penal colony hundreds of years ago, criminals from Europe were sent to Australia because they would never get back home unless they had a ship which would be unlikely, but the Australia here on this earth it looks like you could escape back to Europe on a small rowing boat !

    Criminals from Europe were sent to the southern colonies on a journey of between 4-6 months, on state of the art oceangoing ships, crewed by professional sailors. Do you really imagine an individual with no knowledge of navigation and zero maratime ability would take on such an endeavour? Starting from the south east coast and circumnavigating an entire continent before beginning the voyage proper? An individual with, in all likelihood, zero education, and with even less of an understanding of world maps than you display?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    endacl wrote: »
    Criminals from Europe were sent to the southern colonies on a journey of between 4-6 months, on state of the art oceangoing ships, crewed by professional sailors. Do you really imagine an individual with no knowledge of navigation and zero maratime ability would take on such an endeavour? Starting from the south east coast and circumnavigating an entire continent before beginning the voyage proper? An individual with, in all likelihood, zero education, and with even less of an understanding of world maps than you display?

    Are you assuming that all people branded as criminals would have little to no education ? There would have been a mixture, political prisoners and some people who were highly educated .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Mod: I think this thread has run its course folks. The 'phenomenon' is not something that will lead to a healthy debate, and instead will just end up going in circles like it's starting to. We're now talking about the educational standards of middle age European prisoners!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Mod: Ok, I'm reopening this thread on a last chance basis. If we can stick to the topic at hand, without resorting to jokes, and veering off topic the thread can stay open. If it goes awry again though I'll close it for good.

    Cheers folks


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    So, I had never heard of this phenomenon, but from a search on it, it seems that land masses moving is the biggest thing people notice. But looking at that with a critical eye, mapping is something that has improved beyond measure with the advent of satellite imaging and google earth. Rather than looking at flat, inaccurate maps, we are now seeing our environment with an accuracy we never had before. Could this explain some of the confusion?

    Given that I cant align to any of the purported inaccuracies given here and from my search on the topic, I must be born and reared in this universe, because it has never changed for me. :) But that also begs the question, why do people think they are moving from elsewhere, rather than being part of a timeslip or change? Or is that the same thing? Even if you dont believe in the mandela effect, it does raise some kinda thought provoking questions on our perception of reality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 368 ✭✭gillad


    I have memories going back centuries of other lifetimes I have lived, I would have seen those maps before, maybe that has something to do with it .


    It may be that your consciousness and not your brain is where these memories are coming from
    There are cases of people who have near death experiences in hospital being able to describe exactly what happened in the operating theatre and who was there,which is evidence of consciousness existing outside of the body and brain.

    There are reincarnation stories of people existing in a previous time in a different body,which is evidence of consciousness moving to a new body after death.I read about one lately where a young boy led police to a guy that killed him in a previous life .Here is a favourite of mine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXxC-nVsJY

    So it may not be a parallel universe that you remember just a previous time when the world was different or was viewed differently.You are where you are supposed to be..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,877 ✭✭✭brevity


    This is like that Berestain/Berestain Bears thing in America.

    I will say this though, I've always thought it was Interview with a Vampire. I've seen that movie loads, and I read the book and bought the soundtrack. I'm actually a little freaked out now
    :o

    Need to investigate more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Are you assuming that all people branded as criminals would have little to no education ? There would have been a mixture, political prisoners and some people who were highly educated .

    Not at all. Those with little or no education wouldn't know where to start. Those with sufficient would be smart enough not to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    I was reading about it on the internet a few days ago, the Mandela effect, and some of those talking about it were saying that geography of the world looks different, so I decided to check for myself and started noticing differences and today I noticed some more differences.
    County Kilkenny is much further south than I remember it. Florida in the USA is different, New York is way different, Washington was not on the west coast of the USA, it was near the center of the USA !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    I am looking at a map of Irelands counties and Meath looks strange, I don't remember county Meath extending right out to the east coast like it does on the Online maps, Meaths boundary was way further inland and it was no where near the east coast !


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭Second Toughest in_the Freshers


    well, An Mhi does mean 'the middle', and there are some who would say Westmeath is the real Meath, and 'Meath' should be East-Westmeath...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    Galway was different as well .
    There was no Cape of York in Queensland Australia and this is the first I have ever heard of it, that place did not exist !
    Russia and Alaska were further part, they are so close together here that they are almost touching on this earth !
    Looney Tunes was called Looney Toons and Merrie Melodies was called Merry Melodies where I come from !
    McDonalds was called MacDonalds, the fast food resteraunts.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭Second Toughest in_the Freshers


    Knew someone who was sure Canada was in South America, and that Portugal was an island. I always thought Edinburgh was in England, until i had lived there for about a month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Rachiee


    Is there anything of notable difference apart from maps (as has already been pointed out unless you have a photographic memory you could just be mistaken in your memories, I also didn't know Russia and Alaska were beside rather until I was like 20 because I find its difficult to put the flat map back into globe form) and names of tv shows, fast food restraints that anyone could Mix up. Anything like major world events that you really couldn't have missed unless you were looking under a rock that you don't remember happening or being massively different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,716 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    brevity wrote: »
    This is like that Berestain/Berestain Bears thing in America.

    I will say this though, I've always thought it was Interview with a Vampire. I've seen that movie loads, and I read the book and bought the soundtrack. I'm actually a little freaked out now
    :o

    Need to investigate more.

    I only heard about the Berenstain Bears when I moved to the U.S. and saw some of the books in a book shop. I definitely remember them being spelled Berenstein when I first saw them though and only found out it was -stain when I saw it mentioned on reddit as part of this Mandela effect stuff. It's probably because 'stein' would be a more recognizable ending to a name so our brain just replaces it on casual glance.

    I've never thought it was anything other than Interview with the Vampire though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 colly4211


    Why am I reading this thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭m1ck007


    What **** are you guys taking?


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭Second Toughest in_the Freshers


    I read this thread before and i thought it was great


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    I have been researching day and night for the last week or so about this, I mean geography, history, science, medicine , they are all different from what they were history is different especially world war one and two,
    Christianity is completely different and the history of it . The whole of Europe is different and America, in fact the whole world is different.
    Human internal organs are located differently than they were, the human hart used to be on the left hand side of the chest, now it is about centered, the liver used to be on the lower left side, now the liver is higher up and on the right side, the intestines are different as well, the brain seems different to me also .
    If a surgeon did not know they had crossed over into this parallel universe they would probably cut in the wrong places during operations ! and even GPs would be doing things wrong like maybe giving injections in the wrong area. if they did not find out about the cross over or shift or whatever you want to call it , to this side or parallel world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭m1ck007


    I have been researching day and night for the last week or so about this, I mean geography, history, science, medicine , they are all different from what they were history is different especially world war one and two,
    Christianity is completely different and the history of it . The whole of Europe is different and America, in fact the whole world is different.
    Human internal organs are located differently than they were, the human hart used to be on the left hand side of the chest, now it is about centered, the liver used to be on the lower left side, now the liver is higher up and on the right side, the intestines are different as well, the brain seems different to me also .
    If a surgeon did not know they had crossed over into this parallel universe they would probably cut in the wrong places during operations ! and even GPs would be doing things wrong like maybe giving injections in the wrong area. if they did not find out about the cross over or shift or whatever you want to call it , to this side or parallel world.
    what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    m1ck007 wrote: »
    what?

    The Mandela effect, people, me included have clear memories which do not match up with this reality .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    In the city centre of Dublin it is Stepehen's Green not Saint Stephen's Green because there is no Saint Stephen in the parallel Earth's history .


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭Second Toughest in_the Freshers


    who was Stephen so?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    who was Stephen so?

    I never found out who he was but he was not a saint.
    The school that I went to is similar but close up the architecture is different and the church near the school is different as well . The landscape around there is different and there are walls which were not there before and they look very old in that they have not been built within at least 50 years.
    Kilkenny is way further south than it was .
    I am certain of the location of Bristol because I have a relation who lived and worked there for years, it was on the south east of the UK, it was right at the ocean on the south east of the UK, today it is on the south west of the UK. Bristol has moved to the other side of the country and looking up the history, its says Bristol has always been there on the south west of England .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 854 ✭✭✭dubscottie


    I never found out who he was but he was not a saint.
    The school that I went to is similar but close up the architecture is different and the church near the school is different as well . The landscape around there is different and there are walls which were not there before and they look very old in that they have not been built within at least 50 years.
    Kilkenny is way further south than it was .
    I am certain of the location of Bristol because I have a relation who lived and worked there for years, it was on the south east of the UK, it was right at the ocean on the south east of the UK, today it is on the south west of the UK. Bristol has moved to the other side of the country and looking up the history, its says Bristol has always been there on the south west of England .

    What ocean is on the south coast of England.. There is a sea..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Rachiee


    Can you honestly say OP that you don't have some form of confirmation bias none of the things you've listed can't be explained by you just not knowing history, geography and anatomy very well, something that most people don't anyway. now if you had been a surgeon in the other universe then your memories would be trustworthy, but you're using you're memories of history geography and anatomy and comparing them to facts and saying it doesn't add up. Well it didn't have to add up that's why looking at world maps, anatomy posters etc. is so interesting because these are things we don't know, our trend to forget quite soon after learning them.
    Going by your logic all of the guests and 90% of the audience of QI are proving they're from a parrallel universe everytime the klaxon goes off. (If you haven't watched QI don't start it'll freak you out)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    colly4211 wrote: »
    Why am I reading this thread?
    m1ck007 wrote: »
    What **** are you guys taking?

    Mod: If you have nothing to contribute (be it constructive criticism or shared belief in this), then don't post at all. Warnings/infractions/bans will follow for further belittling or derailing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Allan Blandford


    Rachiee wrote: »
    Can you honestly say OP that you don't have some form of confirmation bias none of the things you've listed can't be explained by you just not knowing history, geography and anatomy very well, something that most people don't anyway. now if you had been a surgeon in the other universe then your memories would be trustworthy, but you're using you're memories of history geography and anatomy and comparing them to facts and saying it doesn't add up. Well it didn't have to add up that's why looking at world maps, anatomy posters etc. is so interesting because these are things we don't know, our trend to forget quite soon after learning them.
    Going by your logic all of the guests and 90% of the audience of QI are proving they're from a parrallel universe everytime the klaxon goes off. (If you haven't watched QI don't start it'll freak you out)

    I went to school here in Ireland and where I come from that is/was a very good education, world maps were studied daily in class and human anatomy, but besides that I am always checking locations of places on maps and the internet.
    I can honestly say that I do not have confirmation bias.
    When I started reading about the Mandela effect on the internet a few weeks ago, I thought that those claiming it were mistaken or remembering things wrong, but since I have started checking things to be sure, I have noticed this with myself, I have clear memories of a different world to this one and very different in some ways such as geography, history and anatomy.


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