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  • 08-11-2015 12:10pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭


    Right, this guy Shaun Davies is convicted for dangerous driving, doing 192 mph on an English A road. He's using high performance cars Audi and BMW. He videos himself and is convicted by evidence on his own phone. 2 years in jail.

    I don't know what to make of all this: it seems tech has just added to the selfie the self convict mode, it seems mad to drive like that on an A road, yet nobody got injured and its two years in jail, he has access to cars that can handle those speeds, everyone loves the Top Gear "races" on real roads (nearly everyone) but this guy pays the price...:confused:

    AH your thoughts please.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11978528/Reckless-motorist-filmed-himself-driving-luxury-cars-at-speeds-of-up-192mph.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Not seeing the problem here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭strelok


    im pretty sure the top gear lads never hit the guts of 200mph on a public road with other people driving on it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    Driving at 190 plus, on the phone and you think he should be told to toddle on? Get a grip. He's a danger on the roads, and unless he's a professional driver he cannot "handle" those kind of speeds. You'd pity the innocent person that this tosser will inevitably kill while trying to show off to his mates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    My opinion?

    He's quite obviously a complete and utter cock.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,352 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    What's wrong is that on top of the prison sentence he only got a 10 year driving ban. Should have been a life ban imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Cars are not toys and public roads no place for acting the mick. If he needed his speed fix, there are plenty of legal places to do it.

    The driving ban isn't long enough. He's proven himself too immature to be trusted on public roads, the ban should be permanent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    OP, you haven't really explained what you thing is the "wrong" in your thread title.

    If you think it's that the sentence is too short, then I fully agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,511 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    300 kph on a public road whilst driving with one hand and recording with the other...the only thing wrong is that he didn't hit a big patch of oil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭Homer


    The head on him! He looks like he will fit in well in prison. I wouldn't worry to much op


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    You ban someone for life for that, or close to it, but it's an absolute nonsense to lock someone up for that, let alone for two years


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,309 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    In the six-minute video released by Northamptonshire Police, he can be seen in various clips hitting dizzying speeds in the vehicles.
    Loud music can be heard playing in the background - including Shaggy's "It wasn't me" - as he hurtles along roads across Northamptonshire.

    For that alone he should have been given two years.

    Anyways, he has nobody to blame but himself. He is a danger to himself and everybody else carrying on like that. No sympathy at all. He should have been banned for a lot longer than 10 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Right, this guy Shaun Davies is convicted for dangerous driving, doing 192 mph on an English A road. He's using high performance cars Audi and BMW. He videos himself and is convicted by evidence on his own phone. 2 years in jail.

    I don't know what to make of all this: it seems tech has just added to the selfie the self convict mode, it seems mad to drive like that on an A road, yet nobody got injured and its two years in jail, he has access to cars that can handle those speeds, everyone loves the Top Gear "races" on real roads (nearly everyone) but this guy pays the price...:confused:

    AH your thoughts please.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11978528/Reckless-motorist-filmed-himself-driving-luxury-cars-at-speeds-of-up-192mph.html

    Seems fair enough - the only thing that should also be added is a long driving ban and a requirement to re-sit his test.

    'Nobody got injured' is not a defence, it's dumb luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    He might have gotten away with it if it was a reasonably priced car.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,352 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Seems fair enough - the only thing that should also be added is a long driving ban and a requirement to re-sit his test.

    He got a 10 year driving ban and he must sit an extended test when it expires.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    This guy filmed himself travelling from Donegal Town to Ballybofey on a motorbike a few years ago, and posted it on youtube.

    This is very near where I live, and this journey normally takes me about 25 minutes on a clear road.. he does it in 9 minutes.

    Parts of the first 3 minutes of the video he is doing 180mph, it is broad daylight and there is traffic on the road.

    Although he may be a 'good' driver, it wont mean anything if he hits a stone on the road, or a driver with bad eyesight pulls out in front of him, or a dog etc etc. There is no margin for error @180mph. Also, if he hits another vehicle at that speed he would likely cause the death of the other driver/passengers in the car.

    *in fact @ 0:22 a car is pulling out of the roadway and probably can't judge how fast the bike is approaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    No sympathy for him, he got what he deserved. Its just pure luck no one was hurt or killed, he wasn't acting with any regard for himself or the public so why should anyone give him any regard?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    This guy filmed himself travelling from Donegal Town to Ballybofey on a motorbike a few years ago, and posted it on youtube.

    This is very near where I live, and this journey normally takes me about 25 minutes on a clear road.. he does it in 9 minutes.

    Parts of the first 3 minutes of the video he is doing 180mph, it is broad daylight and there is traffic on the road.

    Although he may be a 'good' driver, it wont mean anything if he hits a stone on the road, or a driver with bad eyesight pulls out in front of him, or a dog etc etc. There is no margin for error @180mph. Also, if he hits another vehicle at that speed he would likely cause the death of the other driver/passengers in the car.

    *in fact @ 0:22 a car is pulling out of the roadway and probably can't judge how fast the bike is approaching.


    What official action was taken?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,297 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Zaph wrote: »
    He got a 10 year driving ban and he must sit an extended test when it expires.

    Should've clicked through :)

    I see the daughter is as stupid as the Dad!

    You'd also wonder why he felt the need to travel at such speeds on public roads.

    If he's in Northampton Rockingham do track days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    This guy filmed himself travelling from Donegal Town to Ballybofey on a motorbike a few years ago, and posted it on youtube.

    This is very near where I live, and this journey normally takes me about 25 minutes on a clear road.. he does it in 9 minutes.

    Parts of the first 3 minutes of the video he is doing 180mph, it is broad daylight and there is traffic on the road.

    Although he may be a 'good' driver, it wont mean anything if he hits a stone on the road, or a driver with bad eyesight pulls out in front of him, or a dog etc etc. There is no margin for error @180mph. Also, if he hits another vehicle at that speed he would likely cause the death of the other driver/passengers in the car.
    In this context he is certainly not a good driver, as a good driver on a public road drives safely and considers those around him.

    If it was a motorcycle road race he might be considered a good driver/rider.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    A tough stretch but he'll fly it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    You ban someone for life for that, or close to it, but it's an absolute nonsense to lock someone up for that, let alone for two years


    Would you jail him if he smashed into another car killing a child, or a whole family?
    He absolutely deserved a jail sentence. He basically guaranteed that if he hit someone, he would kill them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,419 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I don't believe jailing him is the answer , I think maybe bring him to rehabilitation to see the results of injuries caused by driving like that , a visit to A & E to see ambulances arrive in after car crashs , an opportunity to speak to nurses , paramedics , police etc who pick up the pieces and then meet the family of deceased car crash victims.

    I do agree with the driving ban.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    What official action was taken?

    none, but he was followed by the Gardai before the clip started I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    In this context he is certainly not a good driver, as a good driver on a public road drives safely and considers those around him.

    If it was a motorcycle road race he might be considered a good driver/rider.

    that is why I had the word 'good' in inverted commas... so-called good driver


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,419 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Quite possibly , I'd go as far as agreeing if he thought it was joke then possibly imprison him .

    A prison sentence for him however and I'm only guessing may be somewhere that he may thrive in with like minded individuals.

    Maybe if he was to meet paramedics , families etc in a supervised environment it may work better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    They should lose the key based on his music choices alone!


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    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Right, this guy Shaun Davies is convicted for dangerous driving, doing 192 mph on an English A road. He's using high performance cars Audi and BMW. He videos himself and is convicted by evidence on his own phone. 2 years in jail.

    I don't know what to make of all this: it seems tech has just added to the selfie the self convict mode, it seems mad to drive like that on an A road, yet nobody got injured and its two years in jail, he has access to cars that can handle those speeds, everyone loves the Top Gear "races" on real roads (nearly everyone) but this guy pays the price...:confused:

    AH your thoughts please.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11978528/Reckless-motorist-filmed-himself-driving-luxury-cars-at-speeds-of-up-192mph.html

    Sorry what?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭ejabrod


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Right, this guy Shaun Davies is convicted for dangerous driving, doing 192 mph on an English A road. He's using high performance cars Audi and BMW. He videos himself and is convicted by evidence on his own phone. 2 years in jail.

    I don't know what to make of all this: it seems tech has just added to the selfie the self convict mode, it seems mad to drive like that on an A road, yet nobody got injured and its two years in jail, he has access to cars that can handle those speeds, everyone loves the Top Gear "races" on real roads (nearly everyone) but this guy pays the price...:confused:

    AH your thoughts please.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11978528/Reckless-motorist-filmed-himself-driving-luxury-cars-at-speeds-of-up-192mph.html

    Are you for real?

    Comparing what this guy did with Top Gear? You're a complete tool.

    This guy driving at this speed holding a phone has no control of the car. It's the electronics that are controlling the car.

    Best thing that could have happened is that he goes straight into a wall at 190mph.

    After he gets out he will be behind the wheel and will end up killing someone or a family.

    I had my fair share of performance cars capable of high speed but was never such a díckhead to do something like this, always kept it to a track.

    OP if you think this guy was hard done by, I hope you don't have a license or a car and if you do, both should be taken off you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    ejabrod wrote: »
    Are you for real?

    Comparing what this guy did with Top Gear? You're a complete tool.

    This guy driving at this speed holding a phone has no control of the car. It's the electronics that are controlling the car.

    Best thing that could have happened is that he goes straight into a wall at 190mph.

    After he gets out he will be behind the wheel and will end up killing someone or a family.

    I had my fair share of performance cars capable of high speed but was never such a díckhead to do something like this, always kept it to a track.

    OP if you think this guy was hard done by, I hope you don't have a license or a car and if you do, both should be taken off you.

    This guy typing this post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 483 ✭✭ejabrod




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    ejabrod wrote: »
    Are you for real?

    Comparing what this guy did with Top Gear? You're a complete tool.

    This guy driving at this speed holding a phone has no control of the car. It's the electronics that are controlling the car.

    Best thing that could have happened is that he goes straight into a wall at 190mph.

    After he gets out he will be behind the wheel and will end up killing someone or a family.

    I had my fair share of performance cars capable of high speed but was never such a díckhead to do something like this, always kept it to a track.

    OP if you think this guy was hard done by, I hope you don't have a license or a car and if you do, both should be taken off you.

    I'll observe the charter and skip the abuse. I pointed out that there was so much wrong with the thing and I think I described it as mad in the op. The Top Gear link for me is that I saw Clarkson driving across Japan the other day on some channel: he was having a sneer at the speed cameras by holding up a face mask. He was trying to reset a sat nav while driving. Now put a culture of admiration for speed and a culture of ignoring speed limits on public roads and where do you end up? I'm simply raising a question. Clarkson might never have done 192 mph but the double standards are what's niggling at me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Right, this guy Shaun Davies is convicted for dangerous driving, doing 192 mph on an English A road. He's using high performance cars Audi and BMW. He videos himself and is convicted by evidence on his own phone. 2 years in jail.

    I don't know what to make of all this: it seems tech has just added to the selfie the self convict mode, it seems mad to drive like that on an A road, yet nobody got injured and its two years in jail, he has access to cars that can handle those speeds, everyone loves the Top Gear "races" on real roads (nearly everyone) but this guy pays the price...:confused:

    AH your thoughts please.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11978528/Reckless-motorist-filmed-himself-driving-luxury-cars-at-speeds-of-up-192mph.html

    Wouldn't it be a little late to only punish idiots like this after they've killed someone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Wouldn't it be a little late to only punish idiots like this after they've killed someone?

    Well you see that's another thing that's annoying me. Is he being punished so severely for something that might have happened.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Well you see that's another thing that's annoying me. Is he being punished so severely for something that might have happened.

    es punished lightly for reckless endangerment. Id like to think he's get a lot lot more if he killed someone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    es punished lightly for reckless endangerment. Id like to think he's get a lot lot more if he killed someone.

    Is carrying a knife or a sharpened screwdriver reckless endangerment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Is carrying a knife or a sharpened screwdriver reckless endangerment?

    I don't really get where you're going, but I don't think so. I think that's something like "carrying an offensive/dangerous weapon." You can we get time for that too but you get less than if you use it to kill someone. So, neither weapon carrier or 200mph driver are being punished for what might have happened, just for breaking the laws that they actually have broken.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Actually Clarkson admitted driving to Sheffield at 170 mph in a 928.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    The sentence is also to deter others from trying something like it themselves.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Is carrying a knife or a sharpened screwdriver reckless endangerment?

    No. But you know that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    He deserved everything he got. What a monster! Love the writing though. :D
    Loud music can be heard playing in the background - including Shaggy's "It wasn't me" - as he hurtles along roads across Northamptonshire.
    In another video, which he uploaded to Youtube, he can be heard laughing and shouting "Come on baby."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    Oddly enough, the amount of male drivers ( not necessarily young ones either) that would have no problems with the speeds this guy was travelling at, is frightening.
    A sort of laddish Top Gear bravado or what have you, but they're actually surprised when I call them on it, or more often than not **** them out of it.
    In my opinion a few visits to A&E depts and rehabilitation centres should be a prerequisite to obtaining a driving licence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Oddly enough, the amount of male drivers ( not necessarily young ones either) that would have no problems with the speeds this guy was travelling at, is frightening.
    A sort of laddish Top Gear bravado or what have you, but they're actually surprised when I call them on it, or more often than not **** them out of it.
    In my opinion a few visits to A&E depts and rehabilitation centres should be a prerequisite to obtaining a driving licence.

    Yes but there's a major disconnect here because people don't seem to link TG with this sort of carry on on a public road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Well you see that's another thing that's annoying me. Is he being punished so severely for something that might have happened.

    Nothing mad here. He broke the law. Just because he didn't harm anyone doesn't mean he couldn't have. Wreckless endangerment. He didn't get done for something that could have happened. And as for the Top Gear reference, it's ridiculous!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭DivingDuck


    petes wrote: »
    Wreckless endangerment.

    Not sure if joke or typo... A+ summation, regardless.

    Attempted murder and intent to supply are similar offenses in that they are based on things that could happen rather than things that actually did. They still carry heavy penalties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭REXER


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Right, this guy Shaun Davies is convicted for dangerous driving, doing 192 mph on an English A road. He's using high performance cars Audi and BMW. He videos himself and is convicted by evidence on his own phone. 2 years in jail.

    I don't know what to make of all this: it seems tech has just added to the selfie the self convict mode, it seems mad to drive like that on an A road, yet nobody got injured and its two years in jail, he has access to cars that can handle those speeds, everyone loves the Top Gear "races" on real roads (nearly everyone) but this guy pays the price...:confused:

    AH your thoughts please.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/11978528/Reckless-motorist-filmed-himself-driving-luxury-cars-at-speeds-of-up-192mph.html

    All the holier than thou responses that you have had make me laugh. I bet they all break the rules on the roads daily but here they are pontificating!

    This guy was I have to agree irresponsible, but at the end of the day as you said, there was no harm done, feck the evil empire had no idea that he existed until the picked him up for an unrelated issue.

    It was crazy of him to record himself doing this and not have it stored somewhere else!

    It is only a matter of time before the evil empire start routinely reviewing data from Satnavs, Sartphones etc purely on a fishing basis to see if there is anything at all that the can nail you for! Without anything related to probable cause.

    The next generation of OBD in your car will shop you automatically as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    REXER wrote: »
    All the holier than thou responses that you have had make me laugh. I bet they all break the rules on the roads daily but here they are pontificating!

    This guy was I have to agree irresponsible, but at the end of the day as you said, there was no harm done, feck the evil empire had no idea that he existed until the picked him up for an unrelated issue.

    It was crazy of him to record himself doing this and not have it stored somewhere else!

    It is only a matter of time before the evil empire start routinely reviewing data from Satnavs, Sartphones etc purely on a fishing basis to see if there is anything at all that the can nail you for! Without anything related to probable cause.

    The next generation of OBD in your car will shop you automatically as well.

    Take your evil empire bollocks somewhere else. He committed a crime and got done for it. There is breaking the rules of the road and then there is driving like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    DivingDuck wrote: »
    Not sure if joke or typo... A+ summation, regardless.

    Attempted murder and intent to supply are similar offenses in that they are based on things that could happen rather than things that actually did. They still carry heavy penalties.


    Bad spelling actually :)


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