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So is prostitution to be outlawed in Ireland or what?
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he's making the point that men will sometimes do something that they dislike just to get the leg over
but they still consented to doing these things, they wanted one thing and did something else to get it
Pretty much this. In a joking sense.
But as with the work analogy above you sometimes have to do things you dont want.
Doesnt mean you cant feel sympathy and concern for the likes of roadside girls at truckstops on the continent.
We can feel bad for the low paid worker doing a different scummy job too.
Should we also feel bad for the natural model looks high end escorts flitting around the globe business class taking thousands per client for a few hours of in out.0 -
For anyone who is not client or escort you could do worse them watch this RTE current affairs program, while is made a few years ago, its findings are as correct now as they were then...
www. rte.ie/news/player/prime-time-web/2012/0207/
For the hurler on the ditch reading this, you have no idea just what is going on, as I did not but through long self education I know the above program is 100% correct.
I think I saw this before, its a kind of tabloid style journalism
Primetime were looking for trafficked women, but failed to find any, there is definitely a pimp involved driving women to various towns and cities, but once he drives away I really don't see whats stopping the women from just walking out the door if they want to, it doesn't really fit the definition of trafficking, its still all about the money
I wonder is jackie back yet, great first post BTW LOL0 -
So you cannot compare sex work with any other legal and risky job, no other job contains this
No fireman/woman is forced to fight a fire on their own.
No Nurse is forced to treat a drunk in A and E on her/his own.
No Guard is forced to walk his beat on his own
No Soldier is told to go over the top on his own.
No coal miner is told to go underground alone.
No farmer is told to reap his harvest alone.
No fisherman is told to man his trawler alone.
this is amazing stuff are you for real, LOL
its clear you know nothing about the jobs aboveYet this is exactly what sex workers who are just as legally entitled to work as such as all the above are forced to do.
they are NOT forced to do anythingWhat do all the above have in common? Teamwork in a risky job is key to survival yet that same key is not allowed to be turned by escorts.
teamwork, what the hell are you on about
escorts can work together if they wish, plenty of people will pay extra for a menage a trios, would that make it OK for you
jackie is back, Jackie is back, and she is as mad as ever0 -
One eyed Jack wrote: »Sex work does not require any professional qualifications or specialist skills.
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While you are clearly well versed in matters pertaining to this industry the above quote shows that you have a lot to learn as do most men about things from the escorts POV, be they male clients or non clients as to just how wrong you are to say that sex work requires no special skills. It takes a multitude of skills, some of which I can think of and many that will never dawn on me or anyone who is not an escort.
As regards any qualification, well those offering various types of massage services, some do undertake courses if for no other reason then for tax reasons and being able to show a financial history to a bank manager or with a view to operating in a possibly different legal setting in the republic to which a qualified massage cert would be very useful to have.
You need to open that other eye on this aspect at least.0 -
jackie quoting your own posts is seriously sad0
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I think I saw this before, its a kind of tabloid style journalism
Primetime were looking for trafficked women, but failed to find any, there is definitely a pimp involved driving women to various towns and cities, but once he drives away I really don't see whats stopping the women from just walking out the door if they want to, it doesn't really fit the definition of trafficking, its still all about the money
I wonder is jackie back yet, great first post BTW LOL
Yes, a Mister Ion Anton who to this day has several profiles up and raking it from all sides including blowing up atm machines in the North and taking the department of social welfare to court and in winning that case to have his benefits restored following on from that same primetime program.
Do you really think that these thugs have to be with the women 24/7 in order to contrl them?
They know the towns and villages back in the home country that the women are from, if someone had you at other side of europe held your passport and threatened to either tell your family what you are doing or take it out on them if you did not co operate I think you might just find yourself doing exactly what you are told.
There was a big case in Romania, it was a few real escorts who escorted in Ireland that were also on charges of trafficking. How do you know that some of the women you saw in that program are not as bad as the male pimp when he is gone? that they are then running the show.
many levels of control then needing some male hairy thug to be around all day and night.0 -
Canterelle wrote: »Nobody wants to rent their body to a stranger, they do so purely for money. To say that sex is consensual in that context is disingenuous. Sure, there is agreement (based on money changing hands). But I always thought consensual sex was where both parties wanted it.
no, consensual sex, is clearly where both parties give their consent to engage in a sexual activity. whether either of them " want " it or "like" it is another matter entirely0 -
teamwork, what the hell are you on about
escorts can work together if they wish, plenty of people will pay extra for a menage a trios, would that make it OK for you
I think you should perhaps do some basic homework before showing your ignorance.
no one can work together as an escort and be legal under Irish law, its a defacto brothal in law, either in same apartment but also once its under one roof.
You can team, up with who you like, but you do so in breech of the current law of the land and if you were to be a client enjoying a threesome when the door was kicked in by the rozzers you would be in worse legal bind as you would legally be on the premises of a brothel in law.
Not saying I agree with it as I do not but these are the facts, to which you seem to unaware of while commenting on a topic you do not know the basics about.0 -
I think you should perhaps do some basic homework before showing your ignorance.
no one can work together as an escort and be legal under Irish law, its a defacto brothal in law, either in same apartment but also once its under one roof.
yeah I know that well, but that was not your point, you are claiming that sex work is uniquely dangerous because people work alone, which we all know is total nonsense, most of the jobs you posted can and are done alone, and they are every day of the weekYou can team, up with who you like, but you do so in breech of the current law of the land and if you were to be a client enjoying a threesome when the door was kicked in by the rozzers you would be in worse legal bind as you would legally be on the premises of a brothel in law.
Not saying I agree with it as I do not but these are the facts, to which you seem to unaware of while commenting on a topic you do not know the basics about.
I'm not ignorant of any facts and unlike you i'm not posting misleading nonsense
you really are making a fool of yourself again, keep going I think its funny0 -
It's because it doesn't affect the prevailing strain of feminism - originating out of liberal Arts university campuses and middle class - that is pushing for such laws.Turfcutter wrote: »The feminist backing of this law is more difficult to square. When it comes to abortion, their line is that the woman can do what she likes with her body. Yet when it comes to using her body to give men sexual favours...
Prostitutes tend to be from poor, uneducated backgrounds. It gives them the opportunity to earn incomes that they could otherwise not be able to earn - women for whom the alternatives would be jobs like supermarket checkouts, cleaners and the like.
So it doesn't affect the aforementioned middle class background who will rarely turn to prostitution to, say, pay college fees and annoyingly argue against their educated sisters on the topic, such as Brooke Magnanti. If anything, for middle class women who will never need to turn to prostitution, it's better to make it illegal - after all, it supplies an alternative access to sex outside of 'committed' relationships.
My understanding is that it would be illegal for a client to engage even an independent, so he or she would simply be opening themselves up to potential extortion and blackmail by any prostitute so inclined. The law would produce absolutely no benefits for prostitutes and certainly does not solve the issue of their being forced to operate alone.Imo this new law is needed to wake up or force the client base to wake up and start looking for the real independents.0 -
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One eyed Jack wrote: »Whatever way you want to argue it, the proposals in the Sexual Offences bill would bring our laws into line with the EU Directive which has already mandated that all countries in the EU will adopt laws based on the Swedish model.
The EU should stay the hell out of our banks, our fishing grounds and our bedrooms. It is disgusting how they think they can just make directives without asking anyone on the ground for a vote then act like it has any legitimacy.0 -
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Canterelle wrote: »Nobody wants to rent their body to a stranger, they do so purely for money.
You have interviewed every one of them and established what they all want and do not want then? Or do you in fact have no idea at all what any individual wants - but are pretending to speak for them all anyway?Canterelle wrote: »To say that sex is consensual in that context is disingenuous.
Calling a spade a spade is never disingenuous. Consent is consent, regardless of money changing hands.Canterelle wrote: »But I always thought consensual sex was where both parties wanted it.
Consent is consent - regardless of whether they engage in it for the same reasons you would or not.Canterelle wrote: »I guess I think of sex as different to (other?) work! Thankfully.
Perhaps that is the error in your thinking then. Thinking of sex as being one thing. It is not. It can be a variety of things depending on context. Some people can do it for money. Some people can do it for gratification. Some people can do it for reproduction. Some people can do it for love.
And so on and so on. The idea it has to have one function, one purpose, one motivation - that is where errors creep into your reasoning - and people start projecting what THEY want from sex onto what OTHERS should want from it.0 -
I was temporarily banned earlier, by a female moderator no doubt, for suggestions that prostitution and long term relationships differed only by the form of currency being used* and duration of the contract.
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No you weren't, you were banned because you were reported as a re reg of a poster who has registered thousands of times on this site.
As soon as admin confirmed your ban could be lifted - it was. Nothing to do with the content of the post which you posted whatsoever.
Seeing as you're new here, I will ask you to read the charter so that you are aware that discussing mod actions on thread is not allowed.0 -
I come to that conclusion based on posts in other threads not from the ban itself
however, whether the mod is male or female is irrelevant to me, banning someone just because you disagree with a post, and then claiming misogyny and failing to prove it is pathetic
welcome to boards, try not to get a ban
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I just had a look back there. My PM never said that I was busy - it said that I was discussing it with the other mods and asked you to bear with me. I apologise that I didn't get back to you. Genuinely. It happens occasionally when you get the amount of PMs that we get, but it's never intentional.
You could have easily given me a quick reminder, or taken it to DRP - but you chose not to.
I've had a look back through the mod thread, to see where it was discussed, and it was agreed by all (FYI - the rest of them are all male) that your posts in general have a misogynistic lean and the ban should remain in place. Again, I'm sorry that I never passed this to you at the time, it slipped through the net.
Again, nokia69 - you are around long enough to know that you don't discuss mod actions on thread. A simple PM would have cleared this matter up.
For anyone interested, we discuss mod actions daily and none of us has any issue with pulling the other up on being too harsh. We reverse cards and bans on a regular basis if we feel that we got it wrong, or if the poster realises why their post wasn't acceptable.0 -
paleoperson wrote: »Ever watch Cops? Occasionally when they want some easy work to do they sent a couple of female cops dressed as prostitutes and it's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's easier than organizing a game of monopoly. Cross checking phone records eh? The guy is right there in front of them, they have him red-handed. The idea of getting off on a technicality and wiggling out of charges is all well and good except in the majority of cases when you're not the guy getting off on a technicality.
The technical aspects are not why they don't do it.
That was grand 20 years when street prostitution was popular. These days it's practically all done online. If the actually government wants to 'stop' something then it would need something a bit better than these sort of bait stings.
Like I said, the law is pure window dressing and gesture politics.0 -
masculinist wrote: »The EU should stay the hell out of our banks, our fishing grounds and our bedrooms. It is disgusting how they think they can just make directives without asking anyone on the ground for a vote then act like it has any legitimacy.
Laws are made by our own government without any public vote, all the time. Is that also "disgusting"?0 -
Well, increasingly yes.Cuban Pete wrote: »Laws are made by our own government without any public vote, all the time. Is that also "disgusting"?
The cohabitation bill introduced the right to claim both assets and/or maintenance if you simply lived together for five years (two if you have a child together). This never appeared on any election manifesto, it was effectively discussed behind closed doors and passed with minimal public scrutiny. To this day a frightening number of people are actually oblivious that simply living together can come with such consequences, let alone having been given a realistic opportunity to debate it.
This prostitution bill is another good example. Pushed through a kangaroo committee that actively excluded the people they claimed to be seeking to protect and finally only coming to public attention when it's a done deal.
Thing is, these are not simply technical or bureaucratic amendments to law that we would not care about. Some of these, the first one in particular, have serious implications on our civil liberties. So how many such examples of such laws, do you think should be slipped through before we should asking questions or become just a tad disgusted at our exclusion in the process?0 -
The poster A regular john is a perfect example of men who use prostitutes--referring to women as "regulars", hopping between 3 or 4 women to sexually gratify himself and labeling anyone who's against it a nun or feminazi; these are the hallmarks of those kind of men. Not that banning it is going to stop men who use prostitutes from treating women like sexually disposable products, but it will, of course, reduce it. And the men in this thread are just angry that One eyed jack had the guts to say it.
Why would anyone be angry at that? If the sex worker wants to sell and the john wants to buy, then what's wrong with
referring to the ones he sees regularly as regulars or seeing 3-4 sex workers consistently instead of just one or over 100 or any other number? What's wrong with sexual gratification if both adults are consenting?0 -
Canterelle wrote: »Nobody wants to rent their body to a stranger, they do so purely for money. To say that sex is consensual in that context is disingenuous.
I really don't like that argument. As if doing something for money is bad. Pretty much every person i know only work because of money.0 -
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The Corinthian wrote: »
My understanding is that it would be illegal for a client to engage even an independent, so he or she would simply be opening themselves up to potential extortion and blackmail by any prostitute so inclined. The law would produce absolutely no benefits for prostitutes and certainly does not solve the issue of their being forced to operate alone.
It would be illegal for the client to engage with even an independent, fact is and reality is that they will do so even if it is against the law but what I am saying is it will wake up client base from its slumber and its clearly overall attitude (with a few exceptions) of "anyone with a pulse with do" attitude, which I have seen ample evidense from reviews by clients that even when they knew or felt something was not right they went ahead with it anyway.
Independents do have something to gain from this law as it make them pure gold dust in the eyes of clients that wish to continue. They become very sought after as one word becomes key in an Ireland of that new law and that word is discression and its indies that always live by that word.
I already see posts from clients saying things like they need to do some homework who they pick and will be sticking to escorts they know so this new law is already making clients make some choices and do some thinking.
Its not difficult to find an indie, or at very least to narrow down your risk of paying a non indie, you only have to google a mobile and that in itslef will often show you that the mobiles been used on multiple profiles that do not show same person, this just does not happen with indies, many other things show a profile to be indie or not, its far from rocket science but the client base is swamped with controled profiles and I have seen many examples of clients not caring one jot as to the situation of the women or man he is visiting.
Do not get me wrong, my first preference is to legalise escorting and have strict controls and oversight and set up systems that real indies can register with with an eye on their needs and privacy requirements and come down like a tonne of bricks on any advertising who does not come under that umbrella and paly by its rules but that will not in Ireland for a long time, if ever and in the meantime its the uncaring and lost in a sweet shop attitute of main cleint base as a whole that is fueling this demand and its they that must be made to shape up or ship out.
I see Indies doing well out of clients being forced to wake up, do some basic homework and at the moment and with several years now they are being slowly and steadily squezzed out by a massive onslought of profiles belonging to a core few very large pimping operations. Something has to change and it has to be the client base and they will not change unless they are forced to sit up and take notice and thats one effect this law will have and anyone wishing to continue would do well to start looking for indies, which they will, or risk real world implications.
Is it ideal? no, nothing in life ever is and nothing in escorting world is far from being ideal or perfect but its better then whats happening, rampent control by pimps servicing unending demand by largely unthinking at the very least client base. So its they that have to be made consider their actions.0 -
That makes little sense. It's just 'wake up' customers to additional dangers and to look to those who have the resources to guarantee greater discretion. And whom do you think will likely have more resources to do that?It would be illegal for the client to engage with even an independent, fact is and reality is that they will do so even if it is against the law but what I am saying is it will wake up client base from its slumber and its clearly overall attitude (with a few exceptions) of "anyone with a pulse with do" attitude, which I have seen ample evidense from reviews by clients that even when they knew or felt something was not right they went ahead with it anyway.
Nonsense. Why would they become gold dust? Paying them for sex is just as illegal as anyone else? Or do you think that an independent can be trusted any more than a brothel owner?Independents do have something to gain from this law as it make them pure gold dust in the eyes of clients that wish to continue. They become very sought after as one word becomes key in an Ireland of that new law and that word is discression and its indies that always live by that word.
Instead, it would see a reduction in customers, frightened away by the threat of arrest or even blackmail, thus making business more difficult regardless of whether one is independent or not.
I'm sorry, but that simply makes no sense. There's no reason why one would assume an escort is anymore trustworthy than a girl in a brothel - actually the opposite as the latter is more likely to be a going concern.I already see posts from clients saying things like they need to do some homework who they pick and will be sticking to escorts they know so this new law is already making clients make some choices and do some thinking.
It's not a question of whether something is ideal, but positive. The new law sounds positively detrimental to all concerned and your above arguments are unfortunately seriously flawed and make little rational sense when examined.Is it ideal? no, nothing in life ever is and nothing in escorting world is far from being ideal or perfect but its better then whats happening, rampent control by pimps servicing unending demand by largely unthinking at the very least client base. So its they that have to be made consider their actions.0 -
"Instead, it would see a reduction in customers, frightened away by the threat of arrest or even blackmail, thus making business more difficult regardless of whether one is independent or not."
It would be better to have a larger portion of a small pie then a tiny portion of a large pie.
At the moment indies are completely lost among a vast array of controlled profiles, take an average smaller county, say 10 profiles up, often there is really only one real indie listed, even more often no indie is present but the times when one is she is outnumbered at least ten to one and thats best case, it can be far more so in a situation where most clients ring first profile they see she has a 10 to 1 odds of being called. Now if the same situation was done with a mindset of those callers wanting minimise risk she would be the only one to call so in fact an indie would be better off having the chaff of these sorts of clients hanging up their escorting habits and be left with the smaller core with a brain who would quickly see that out of the options in that town on that day she is the safer and best option.
"Why would they become gold dust? Paying them for sex is just as illegal as anyone else? Or do you think that an independent can be trusted any more than a brothel owner?"
like I said, nothing in the escort world is ideal,
Which is better, break the law, pay an indie for sex, she gets to pocket all your money atthe least risk to you or...
break the law, pay a controlled person (willingly controlled or otherwise) have most or at worst case all your money go into the pocket of a thug or thugete (lets not be sexist in who can be a pimp) and you be at far greater risk of being the subject of local community fed up with the open antics going on next door or Police attention due to complaints from same?
anyone with at least one drop of blood going to big brain and an once of humanity in them would prefer the first option surely.
Of course I am not saying all independent escorts can be fully trusted, I can think of at least one who is indie but enjoys taunting but clients and other indies with posting their info on her blogs but the vast majority of independents can be at least trusted to not blackmail you, many have built up a reputation over several years and it is not in their interest to throw that away.
Who would I trust, an independent or a brothal owner? well cleary I would prefer to take my chances with an indie.
A brothel owner, is by defination running a criminal enterprise in this state, an indie on her own is not so right there you already have a reason to not trust a brothel owner.
We already know of a case of a "brothel owner" who is was really a pimp "surpise surprise" having been found to be recording or watching live feed from the rooms of his "workers" in Cork city in the comfort of own home in north Cork. Every one of those clients are still at risk of all that being uploaded to the world at the press of a button.
So there is another minus on the score sheet of who is better to trust.
"That makes little sense. It's just 'wake up' customers to additional dangers and to look to those who have the resources to guarantee greater discretion. And whom do you think will likely have more resources to do that?"
Its quite impossible for large pimp operations to have the means to guarentee greater discretion, they operate only on making thge most profit for least cost, that means multiple women in one location. That in turn leads to heavy footfall of clients and that in turn is un missable to anyone with even a modicum of brains living in neighbouring apartments or in suburbs in estates.
Its an indie who is working alone or who takes a risk in sharing with another indie that has long since mastered the art of discression and its they that are best equipped to provide that. its quite impossible for pimps to do so as it requires them to downsize on greed and that will never happen so you are right the client will seek out those with the ability to provide discresion and that is the reserve of the long term independent.
Why would you need to trust an indie anyway? do not tell them real details, most, once they have seen you will be happy to do an outcall, so how can you be stung if its you deciding on the venue, only you and she would be witness to money changing hands (in an unsealed envelope I beleive is the preferred norm) for all anyone knows or can prove you paid for a massage or to chat about world or local events.
No reason why clients cannot get what they want and indies get what they want out of the bargain and leave the idiots who do not do some basic homework be the subject of attention of this new law and a few cases of that will have some impact on the free for all that pimps now enjoy.
If you are looking for positives in the sex industry then best of luck, its not exactly brimming with positives. Every law has its positives and negatives, drink driving laws, good for overall road safety, bad for publicans. If you need a law to be positive for all before its brought in you would have hardly any laws at all.
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Except you've certainly not made any tangible case that it would be a larger portion of that pie - it could quite conceivably be a smaller one as potential customers place more faith in brothels over individuals.It would be better to have a larger portion of a small pie then a tiny portion of a large pie.
And would it be better if it were a larger proportion for them? Especially if that larger proportion a small pie were smaller than that tiny portion of a large pie?
Quite a few presumptions there.
Doesn't address what I pointed out unfortunately.like I said, nothing in the escort world is ideal,
Most people though view both as running an illegal enterprise. Unlike you, most people don't understand the loopholes in the law that criminalize pimping but make prostitution technically legal. Which leads one to ask, who's going to be more likely to be seen trustworthy? An individual or a going concern - if all other areas of commerce are anything to go by, the latter.Who would I trust, an independent or a brothal owner? well cleary I would prefer to take my chances with an indie.
A brothel owner, is by defination running a criminal enterprise in this state, an indie on her own is not so right there you already have a reason to not trust a brothel owner.
Well, if you don't really care about the independents, then your argument begins to make sense, but otherwise it really doesn't hold up and neither do the other points you've presented. Sorry.This law is a serious negative from pimps, that in itself is a postive.0 -
The Corinthian wrote: »Except you've certainly not made any tangible case that it would be a larger portion of that pie - it could quite conceivably be a smaller one as potential customers place more faith in brothels over individuals.
And would it be better if it were a larger proportion for them? Especially if that larger proportion a small pie were smaller than that tiny portion of a large pie?
Quite a few presumptions there.
Doesn't address what I pointed out unfortunately.
Most people though view both as running an illegal enterprise. Unlike you, most people don't understand the loopholes in the law that criminalize pimping but make prostitution technically legal. Which leads one to ask, who's going to be more likely to be seen trustworthy? An individual or a going concern - if all other areas of commerce are anything to go by, the latter.
Well, if you don't really care about the independents, then your argument begins to make sense, but otherwise it really doesn't hold up and neither do the other points you've presented. Sorry.
I can come right back at you and say how can you say that this law will cause clients to PREFER brothals over individuals.
How can you possibly arrive at that conclusion, your saying that a client/s will wake up with the horn one morning when that law was in effect and say to himself "jaysus this new law is an awful curse so it tis, I better head down to my local brothal from now on as its got to be safer then that nice lady thats been around for yonks and works on her own"
I just showed you an example that if you do a bit of googling you will find that a brothel (to which you say will become more appealing in a new law Ireland) was recording the clients within its walls and watched by a proven pimp.
How on earth do you arrive at that outcome that its the better option?
"Most people though view both as running an illegal enterprise. Unlike you, most people don't understand the loopholes in the law that criminalize pimping but make prostitution technically legal. Which leads one to ask, who's going to be more likely to be seen trustworthy? An individual or a going concern - if all other areas of commerce are anything to go by, the latter"
Well its for anyone enaged in paying for sex with someone to educate onself to the parameters of the law before they wet their wick would be my opinion.
Like I said in my first post, you cannot compare the norms of the sex industry with the norms of other trades.
It does not follow that large companies are more trustworthy and safer then lone traders.
I prefer my local mechanic who I have known 20 years to service my car over any quick fit fitter multi location franchise.
Like Yoda said to the escort "judge me by my size, you do not"0 -
Canterelle wrote: »Nobody wants to rent their body to a stranger, they do so purely for money. To say that sex is consensual in that context is disingenuous. Sure, there is agreement (based on money changing hands). But I always thought consensual sex was where both parties wanted it.
That is incorrect garbage. It is not "disingenuous", it is a fact that the sex is consensual. You can do all sorts of consensual things for money, that's a fact also. Just because an idea doesn't sound right to you doesn't mean you're not factually wrong.
Also, every single woman out there wants a man with money or prefers a man with money, that's a fact also... or as close to being a fact as imaginable!0 -
I already said: "who's going to be more likely to be seen trustworthy? An individual or a going concern - if all other areas of commerce are anything to go by, the latter."I can come right back at you and say how can you say that this law will cause clients to PREFER brothals over individuals.
Don't be silly. If you want to buy a watch, do you trust the jewelers down the road or the bloke selling them out of the back of a van?How can you possibly arrive at that conclusion, your saying that a client/s will wake up with the horn one morning when that law was in effect and say to himself "jaysus this new law is an awful curse so it tis, I better head down to my local brothal from now on as its got to be safer then that nice lady thats been around for yonks and works on her own"
And even if the opposite were true, the effect on demand could be such that even a larger share of the smaller pie would be smaller that the smaller one of the larger pie.
As I said, you've made quite a few sweeping presumptions and if any of them are incorrect, then your entire argument collapses.
Feel free to point out where they go against basic microeconomics.Like I said in my first post, you cannot compare the norms of the sex industry with the norms of other trades.
And I'm sure those men who have been going the same escort for years, will continue doing so. However, as an example of consumer choice behaviour, your analogy is weak.I prefer my local mechanic who I have known 20 years to service my car over any quick fit fitter multi location franchise.
Look, what will most likely happen is an overall decrease in customers of prostitution. What will remain will be driven further underground, potentially leading to further criminality. Escorts will not benefit. No one will. But a moral victory will be won somewhere.
And before you claim I've not backed anything up, remember neither have you. All I've done is point out how your logic is over-reliant of certain things happening a certain way, and if any fail to do so, the whole thing blows up.
I certainly would not promote such a ramshackle theory as fact.
Just saw this. Delightful.Canterelle wrote: »To say that sex is consensual in that context is disingenuous.
I so are you saying that there are people who are cleaning the streets, coal mining and doing telephone support because they want to? Paid volunteers for pharmaceutical trials, perhaps? How many aspire to flipping burgers? Or cleaning out drains? Are they all doing this without consent?
You do what you have to do in life to get on. Not everyone grows up to be an astronaut.0 -
The Corinthian wrote: »Not everyone grows up to be an astronaut.
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Still think brothels are safer in a new law Ireland? the below is from year or so ago before law was in force in the North, imagine the outcome of the same clients mentioned below being caught up in the raid. I copy and paste as the report it pertains to shows the faces of the escorts in the brothal and furthermore some of the women shown in that court report are on live today profiles in same county they were arrested in and told to leave Ireland which they never did.
Just imagine this same report and you being one of the clients in a duristiction where the Swedish model law was in force and tell me you think brothels are safer then lone traders or at least two sharing as 4 were arrested in the below case and 1 male and were asking for attention as I have said its impossible for brothels to not do.
"ONE in every three customers using a brothel in Donegal was from Derry, Derry Daily has learned.
Four women appeared in court in Letterkenny yesterday charged with running brothels from three apartments in the town.
It’s understood that a large number of Derry men have been identified by Gardai investigating a wider prostitution operation.
They had used the Escort Ireland website to ‘book’ services at the ***.
It’s understood Gardaí retrieved a large number of northern mobile phone numbers from the phones used by the prostitutes and this information will be shared with the PSNI."
After reading that you would have to be one stupid individual to conclude that brothels are a safer bet then indies in a situation where Swedish model is in force and Police can do a lot more to you then just take note of your accent and as well as the escorts faces and full names being on media leaving court it will also be the clients that decided to frequent brothels. Do not think the three apartments in town means they were spread around, they were all sequential numbered apartments in the same apartment complex just screaming for neighbours to know what was going on.0
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