Not being paid by new employer after two months

sashafierce

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markpb

Is the payroll administrator in the sane building as you? Find their desk, sit beside them and ask for a cheque so you can pay your rent and buy food.

Alternatively, ask your manager to find out what's going on.

sashafierce

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Lux23

Well find out, they have no excuse for withholding pay for two months. If payroll don't sort it out, then get on to HR and tell them you can't live without a wage.

Sheeps

There's literally no excuse for this. You're going to be taxed quite heavily too I'd imagine.

Streetwalker

Refuse to do another minutes work until you have been paid.

Ursus Horribilis

Lux23 wrote:

Well find out, they have no excuse for withholding pay for two months. If payroll don't sort it out, then get on to HR and tell them you can't live without a wage.

^^ This. Anywhere I've ever worked, HR have always been helpful when it came to ensuring people got paid on time. I don't remember it too well now but they definitely offered financial help to people whose wages hadn't come through the time Ulster Bank's system had the meltdown.

sashafierce

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iwillhtfu

sashafierce wrote: »

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To which you reply. That's not good enough I have bills to pay and it's entirely unacceptable to expect me to work for 3 months without payment. Now who would I see about getting a cheque made out to cash."

sillysmiles

sashafierce wrote: »

Payroll have told me they are looking into it and will be in touch. The managing director of my department has also emailed them. However I fear I will be told "you will be paid in November and back dated"

Can you not point out that this is not acceptable that you have expenses to meet and that you need to be paid by cheque or bank transfer by the end of the week.

sashafierce

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gordongekko

Are you in Canada?

sillysmiles

sashafierce wrote: »

I have of course told them this in my email to them. I advised them 7 weeks was too long and waiting another 4 is not possible for me.

Then you need to escalate the problem.
Have you told your manager?

sashafierce

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TheChizler

When was the payroll date? Yesterday? If you're with a different bank to the company it may take a day or two for funds to transfer.

Snakeweasel

Have you actually said that you are in desperate need of the money? I find it hard to believe that they couldnt cut you a cheque and reconcile it in the november payroll.

Ursus Horribilis

Have you picked up the phone and spoken to anyone about this. Emails are useful as a record but you can't beat speaking to people and getting your point across in person. Ask to speak to their manager if you're getting no joy.

lynsey

Under the Payment of Wages Act 1991, What is happening here is illegal. Perhaps you should point this out and see if it sets a fire under them. Have a look at the actual act itself.

seamus

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You tell them that your rent is already overdue and you don't have the funds to meet it, so if they don't pay you today, you're going to be evicted from your apartment with no money to find another place to live. Make sure you say this to your manager too.

Doesn't matter if it's true or not.

You ring them. Every day @ 10am, you ring the person who's dealing with it and ask them what the current status is.

anto9

Do other people working there have problems getting paid ? Sounds strange that any legit Company would do this .If its just a case of you being over looked you have got to start raising a fuss.

cruizer101

This is no longer an issue with the payroll company that you should be dealing with. You need to hassle your managers and if they try fob you of to the other company tell them that is not your problem, they need to sort out paying you if that involves your company having to write you a cheque so be it, they can look to get re-embursed from the payroll company but you need to get paid. If your own manager is not acting go above and to HR, someone in your company needs to sort this, it is not your responsibility to follow up with a company that they have contracted to sort out pay, they need to ensure you are paid and if contracted company aren't doing it they need to.

bobbysands81

sashafierce wrote: »

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You're being too nice about this. At the moment this issue is your problem, make it someone else's problem and it'll get solved.

You've been unbelievably accommodating and understanding. If this was me and I was getting nowhere I'd be ringing HR/Salaries every hour looking for an update. That payroll dates were missed were not your fault as you say you had your bank details to them a week in advance. Mistakes happen though but now it's time for your employer to rectify it.

intheclouds

I think Id be refusing to do another minutes work until I was paid for the work I had done.

Its just not acceptable. You need to make it very very clear that its not acceptable.

An Ri rua

intheclouds wrote: »

I think Id be refusing to do another minutes work until I was paid for the work I had done.

Its just not acceptable. You need to make it very very clear that its not acceptable.

I wouldn't do that. Its bad advice. You will be in breach of your contract then. At the moment, they are in breach of contract. Make it clear to HR that you urgently need their help and assistance. If not, you will have to escalate this breach of contract immediately (quote your contract) and take it to an external party for adjudication. Where you come from, this is classed as wage theft and is penalised by back payments plus interest (Apologies, if not in Canada but definitely USA).

How do I know? because last year I took my (former) employer (government body) to the Labour Court and kicked their arse around the room, and the Labour Court Panel's too. I won my pay, they got a public bollicking and I got paid bank holiday pay also that they had tried to rob. SIPTU were useless, in this regard. Also not required. Wage law IS strong here. But you have to be brave enough to wave it at them.

There are two views of this scenario. Keep your head down, for career purposes. OR assert your rights, mark their cards and in fact the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Where respect is absent, fear works wonders.

DO NOT be afraid to assert your rights. They have taken your labour, your previous income stream stopped I am sure. So they have duped you, by commission or omission. It feels the same when you are on the receiving end Sasha. YOU own your means of production, you own those wages. It IS wage theft. Plain and simple. But don't call it that to HR. Only to the Labour Court like I did, when one of the panel pissed me off by talking down to me. I still won :D:D

Very best wishes to you.

I don't know about others here, but I am happy to paypal you a e20 donation (pm if you wish) and you can return it when able. Apologies if you're not badly caught. I know I was last year. So I would not let go of the f**kers once the opportunities for sorting it passed.

An Ri rua

cruizer101 wrote: »

This is no longer an issue with the payroll company that you should be dealing with. You need to hassle your managers and if they try fob you of to the other company tell them that is not your problem, they need to sort out paying you if that involves your company having to write you a cheque so be it, they can look to get re-embursed from the payroll company but you need to get paid. If your own manager is not acting go above and to HR, someone in your company needs to sort this, it is not your responsibility to follow up with a company that they have contracted to sort out pay, they need to ensure you are paid and if contracted company aren't doing it they need to.

+1. Your contract is not being breached by the payroll company. Your labour is not ebing taken by the payroll company.

foggy_lad

Have you double checked with them that you gave and they recorded the correct bank details to pay you?

sashafierce

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Ursus Horribilis

If nothing happens tomorrow, chase it up. Pester them until you get paid. You can't rely on other people to do things for you.

briscotti

i was waiting 3 weeks and it was an absolute nightmare - hope you get sorted!

Ursus Horribilis

sashafierce wrote: »

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If it was one of their big-shot executives, there'd be no "try" about it at all :rolleyes:

lightspeed

sashafierce wrote: »

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If the company takes such an approach to wages, there could be fraud.

Ask yourself this, if it was a member of senior management, would they have to wait another month for their wages?

How does the company deal with other payables?

No company can just have a date they do all their payments at once so it all sounds dodgey.

They claiming they have the funds to pay you but cant because they just cant?

if they dare say it will be another month, tell them you are filing a complaint with a rights commissioner and the revenue.

If they not paying you your salary, I assume they have not paid the revenue PRSI and PAYE taxes owed to them for hours you worked. Watch how quick they act when revenue contact them.

I would be sitting in the office of CEO or whoever at the top and asking in detail why a payment cant be made today like any other normal bill the company has to pay.

mada82

I'd just hound people non stop tomorrow until you get immediate payment. Don't settle for anything other than immediate.

Hound absolutely everyone.

It's a fairly ****ty thing to do on someone maybe you should line up another job if possible.

simdan

sashafierce wrote:

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It's only been just over a month or am I wrong? You started on the 14th of September. Still, tell them to give you a cheque.

tina1040

Sheeps wrote: »

You're going to be taxed quite heavily too I'd imagine.

What about tax credits? A comment like this is unhelpful and can only make the OPs worry worse.

intheclouds

simdan wrote: »

It's only been just over a month or am I wrong? You started on the 14th of September. Still, tell them to give you a cheque.

Yes but the OP has missed 2 pay cycles. It is not all that surprising that she was not included in the September pay cycle as she had only worked part of the month and they may not have had time to get her set up on the system (still bad form) but it is totally unforgivable that it was not resolved for the October pay cycle.

I too would wonder about the financial status of a company who are playing silly buggers with paying staff. It should be their first priority.

sparkling sea

You need to contact NERA and they will deal with this, however if you are in a union they should have sorted this for you already.

What are the in house procedures, payroll can be sorted in a matter of minutes, not hours, not days, minutes literally,

It is illegal for this company to withold your pay, the National Employment Rights Authority can contact your workplace, as an advocate on your behalf, however you will have to have shown you made your employer aware of situation.

You need to dociument all contact you've had in regard to this matter, use in house procedure tomorrow and if this isn't sorted by Friday morning, contact NERA.

Patrick Wheelock

Get the Guards involved if necessary.

Ursus Horribilis

The OP works for a large multi-national which, if posts on boards are anything to go by, may not be the cuddliest of employers in the world. Allegedly. I doubt they're going bankrupt, have unions or are committing fraud. She's caught up in the giant slow-moving wheels of bureaucracy.

anto9

>>She's caught up in the giant slow-moving wheels of bureaucracy. <<I bet they are the type of Company set up in Ireland to avoid American taxes ,and paying no or little Irish tax .As i said she has got to start screaming if necessary .

topmanamillion

tina1040 wrote: »

What about tax credits? A comment like this is unhelpful and can only make the OPs worry worse.

I think tax is a very relevant issue. The OP clearly is worried but thinking about tax implications is a relevant topic.
I hope you continue to hound them for payment and demand payment immediately. As people have pointed out you should ask them to make you out cheques that you can cash immediately.
I will assume this works and this is where tax will come in. It would be wise to have your due pay spread out to avoid you being taxed at a higher rate. The company should readily facilitate this as the problem was on their end. It wouldn't be fair if you ended up losing out.

TheChizler

What day was the October payroll OP?

Tiddlypeeps

Patrick Wheelock wrote: »

Get the Guards involved if necessary.

It's a civil matter, the guards couldn't do anything to help OP even if they wanted to.

Sheeps

tina1040 wrote: »

What about tax credits? A comment like this is unhelpful and can only make the OPs worry worse.

Quite right, the OP should be worried.

The good news is that the OP should be able to get all of the tax back, but with PAYE as far as I know, they're going to be looking at the salary owed coming through as a lump sum and the op will be paying the higher rate of tax on more of her wages across two months. It should balance out over the course of the year however, but some of it may need to be claimed back.

Maybe there's a way for them to register the payment as two/three months salary so that tax credits for each month are applied and so it's not treated as if it is one months salary.

I really don't know enough about it, but it's something the OP should look in to and maybe get some more information from the tax office about.

dudara

The payroll company should be able to run an emergency payroll, you will need to apply enough pressure to them through HR and your manager.

If they can't do that, I'd be looking for an immediate advance via cash or bank transfer which can be netted off against your next pay run.

swishswoo

Wonder if the OP got sorted........

sashafierce

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frag420

sashafierce wrote: »

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They are taking the p!ss

Your boss should be on to them too trying to help get this sorted!!

I would walk into your bosses office or indeed someone more senior and ask them to intervene........then take a seat in their office while they make a call. Tell them you have rent, bills etc to pay.

or perhaps borrow a laptop from the office that would cover your expenses:p

TheChizler

sashafierce wrote: »

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Depending on banks it could take a day or two for funds to reach your account. Unless they've confirmed that they haven't sent the payment?

Could they possibly mean that the bank details they have for you are for a Canadian bank? Or that payroll think that you still work there? Did you work for this company back in Canada as well?

Stheno

frag420 wrote: »

or perhaps borrow a laptop from the office that would cover your expenses:p

mod: seriously, don't advocate illegality.

toadfly

This makes no sense. Where you worked previously has no influence on you being paid for work done in Ireland unless you dont have an Irish bank account? I put an expense claim in where I work on Tuesday afternoon, usually these are paid monthly through payroll but as I done them a last minute favour and it was a large amount for me they put through a transfer. I had it by lunchtime Wednesday. There is no excuse for the lateness of this payment.

Dubl07

toadfly wrote: »

This makes no sense. Where you worked previously has no influence on you being paid for work done in Ireland unless you dont have an Irish bank account? I put an expense claim in where I work on Tuesday afternoon, usually these are paid monthly through payroll but as I done them a last minute favour and it was a large amount for me they put through a transfer. I had it by lunchtime Wednesday. There is no excuse for the lateness of this payment.

I'd be asking for cash. Your bosses can send someone to the bank to fetch it for you so you're not waiting three working days for a cheque to clear.