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Census 2016 - Time to tick NO

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    #272
    wokingvoter
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    It's more than a little bit pathetic that a grown adult, of no religious belief, who expresses the entirely understandable desire to "give the RCC a bloody nose with this census", is still willing to get married in a church.

    What it is is entirely typical
    "I'm seething about the role the RCC have played and continue to play in the admin of this country but my girlfriend thinks the church is reallll pretty and the priest looks lovely in his vestments in the pictures + my wife's mother would be upset and I'm a spineless jelly really with no mind of my own so I'm just going to go right ahead and be a total fake. Oh we'll be back next year too getting a baby baptised but I'm still seething about the RCC and I'm not going to be happy till every church in the country is burnt to the ground... just not till after all my families weddings baptisms communions confirmations and funerals. Sock it to the man. I'm an absolute Maverick "


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    #273
    Laura_A
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭Laura_A


    Wow - reading some of these comments would really put you off coming to boards for advice - wokingvoter and hotblack desiato seem to be two of those typical keyboard warriors... girlfriend thinks 'the church is reallll pretty' - sexist much? How you think you can judge someone from one question - you must have some sort of a 'higher power'.. You both sound exactly like the church you clearly dislike so much pushing your views on someone else and lashing out if someone doesn't have the same opinion as you.

    Here is a novel idea - just answer the question you know the answer and want to help and maybe not try pushing your views on to other people.. Cannot stand people who shove their opinions downs everyones throat under the pretense of being part of the minority


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    #274
    The Randy Riverbeast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    What it is is entirely typical
    "I'm seething about the role the RCC have played and continue to play in the admin of this country but my girlfriend thinks the church is reallll pretty and the priest looks lovely in his vestments in the pictures + my wife's mother would be upset and I'm a spineless jelly really with no mind of my own so I'm just going to go right ahead and be a total fake. Oh we'll be back next year too getting a baby baptised but I'm still seething about the RCC and I'm not going to be happy till every church in the country is burnt to the ground... just not till after all my families weddings baptisms communions confirmations and funerals. Sock it to the man. I'm an absolute Maverick "

    If he did decide not to go through with a church wedding he would be called a militant atheist, there's no winning.
    Laura_A wrote: »
    Wow - reading some of these comments would really put you off coming to boards for advice - wokingvoter and hotblack desiato seem to be two of those typical keyboard warriors... girlfriend thinks 'the church is reallll pretty' - sexist much? How you think you can judge someone from one question - you must have some sort of a 'higher power'.. You both sound exactly like the church you clearly dislike so much pushing your views on someone else and lashing out if someone doesn't have the same opinion as you.

    Here is a novel idea - just answer the question you know the answer and want to help and maybe not try pushing your views on to other people.. Cannot stand people who shove their opinions downs everyones throat under the pretense of being part of the minority

    Going by wokingvoter's posts I dont think its the church he hates.


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    #275
    wokingvoter
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    Laura_A wrote: »
    Wow - reading some of these comments would really put you off coming to boards for advice - wokingvoter and hotblack desiato seem to be two of those typical keyboard warriors... girlfriend thinks 'the church is reallll pretty' - sexist much? How you think you can judge someone from one question - you must have some sort of a 'higher power'.. You both sound exactly like the church you clearly dislike so much pushing your views on someone else and lashing out if someone doesn't have the same opinion as you.

    Here is a novel idea - just answer the question you know the answer and want to help and maybe not try pushing your views on to other people.. Cannot stand people who shove their opinions downs everyones throat under the pretense of being part of the minority

    Wow.


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    #276
    wokingvoter
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    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    If he did decide not to go through with a church wedding he would be called a militant atheist, there's no winning.



    Going by wokingvoter's posts I dont think its the church he hates.

    If you were absolutely honest there's nothing you'd like better then someone, anyone, acknowledging that your a militant atheist. What's the point otherwise ?


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    #277
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Laura_A wrote: »
    Wow - reading some of these comments would really put you off coming to boards for advice - wokingvoter and hotblack desiato seem to be two of those typical keyboard warriors... girlfriend thinks 'the church is reallll pretty' - sexist much? How you think you can judge someone from one question - you must have some sort of a 'higher power'.. You both sound exactly like the church you clearly dislike so much pushing your views on someone else and lashing out if someone doesn't have the same opinion as you.

    Here is a novel idea - just answer the question you know the answer and want to help and maybe not try pushing your views on to other people.. Cannot stand people who shove their opinions downs everyones throat under the pretense of being part of the minority

    LOL. Irony fail...

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #278
    Fred Swanson
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    #279
    Cherry Blossom
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    Are any boardsies doing the Sig thing this time around? Or does anyone now where I can find an appropriate image to put in mine?


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    #280
    Cherry Blossom
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    I found a few but need to get to my computer to resize first.


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    #281
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Post links to the images here?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #282
    Cherry Blossom
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    I just googled 'no religion census 2016. Humanism.ie and athiest.i.e. have them on their web pages.


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    #283
    Cherry Blossom
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    Can't get the ruddy thing to work at all!


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    #284
    Cherry Blossom
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 6,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Ah I see, it only appears on new posts :rolleyes:


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    #285
    One eyed Jack
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    adrenalinjunkie wrote: »
    Ah I see, it only appears on new posts :rolleyes:


    Sigs might not appear either if posters have them turned off in their User CP.

    (not sure if they do or don't show up on the touch site either as I have them turned off)


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    #286
    Shrap
    Registered Users Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    adrenalinjunkie wrote: »
    Ah I see, it only appears on new posts :rolleyes:

    Thanks for that, nice one :)


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    #287
    Qs
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    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    It's more than a little bit pathetic that a grown adult, of no religious belief, who expresses the entirely understandable desire to "give the RCC a bloody nose with this census", is still willing to get married in a church.

    Not necessarily. Sometimes you have to compromise in life. I told my wife that we could get married wherever she wanted because I didn't care that much about it but that I'd never allow our kids to be baptised. This was years ago but in the end she agreed with me and we neither had our kid baptised and we got married in the hotel but I'd have gotten married in a church is she wanted.

    Now that doesn't mean I'd lie through my teeth and pretend I was a good catholic boy. I would have told the priest that I was an atheist and I would have refused any of those silly classes they demand people take.


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    #288
    Walter H Price
    Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Walter H Price


    Wasn't quite expecting that reaction tbh , like i said i wanted to get married abroad , my OH didn't fancy that as she has a big family , i'm not at all religious but she wanted a church here for a number of reasons , the main one being her grandmother wont be well enough to travel to the hotel were having our reception in , but will be able to attend the mass which will be in the church across from her house.

    I wont feel any hypocrisy in ticking no on the census and still getting married in a church , i'm not religious but as we all know well in this country sometimes compromises have to be made


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    #289
    looksee
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    Qs wrote: »
    Not necessarily. Sometimes you have to compromise in life. I told my wife that we could get married wherever she wanted because I didn't care that much about it but that I'd never allow our kids to be baptised. This was years ago but in the end she agreed with me and we neither had our kid baptised and we got married in the hotel but I'd have gotten married in a church is she wanted.

    Now that doesn't mean I'd lie through my teeth and pretend I was a good catholic boy. I would have told the priest that I was an atheist and I would have refused any of those silly classes they demand people take.

    A priest is under no obligation to marry you. If you stated you were an atheist, judging by my experience of some 40 years ago, they would have refused. As it was my husband was (and is) a practising Catholic, I was baptised CofE and still (at that time) more or less practising. Certainly I was not atheist. And even at that they made a total production of denying every aspect of the ceremony apart from the actual vows and the register.


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    #290
    Shrap
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    looksee wrote: »
    And even at that they made a total production of denying every aspect of the ceremony apart from the actual vows and the register.

    There have been some changes in the last 40 years! I remember having this exact conversation with you before, as my parents (also mixed religion) ended up getting married in the doorway of the Catholic Church - mostly because neither family would darken the door (literally, in this case) of the other family's church.

    Thanks be to all of us that we've moved on somewhat from there.........


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    #291
    robdonn
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    Census 2016 is April 24th, Enda Kenny's birthday!


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    #292
    NIMAN
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    Maybe they need a NON-PRACTICING CATHOLIC box?

    Then again, some would tick the PRACTICING one if they go to Mass once a year.

    Its a bit like the I CAN SPEAK IRISH box that 1.77 million ticked because they remember a few words, yet very few of us know anyone that can speak Irish.


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    #293
    Bristolscale7
    Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Bristolscale7


    Got the census form today. How long has 'No Religion' been an option? Is this the first time?


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    #294
    robdonn
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    Bristolscale7 wrote: »
    Got the census form today. How long has 'No Religion' been an option? Is this the first time?

    It's been there a while, but it is always hidden under the "Other" section, resulting in people writing "Atheist", "Scientologist", "Jedi", ect. before even noticing the "No Religion" box.


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    #295
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    So from the actual Census website on the religion question
    Everyone should answer this question, whether or not they have a religion.

    This question is not about frequency of attendance at church or other place of worship. People should answer the question based on how they feel now about their religious beliefs, if any. The question is asking about the person’s current religion or beliefs and not about the religion the person may have been brought up with.

    So the Cso are clearly stating that just because you were baptised does not mean you need to put that down. It's a great reference for those who have had to have this argument because, to falsely put it down, is against the CSO guidelines.


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    #296
    wokingvoter
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    ixoy wrote: »
    So from the actual Census website on the religion question


    So the Cso are clearly stating that just because you were baptised does not mean you need to put that down. It's a great reference for those who have had to have this argument because, to falsely put it down, is against the CSO guidelines.

    Now that this option is so clearly available it will be VERY interesting to see the stats
    How long will it be before stats are available?


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    #297
    expectationlost
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    Census 2016 Questionnaire virtually unchanged because CSO did not have budget for consultation
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/census-2016-to-contain-question-on-same-sex-marriage-1.2584456
    There has been criticism that the questions on religion are too binary. People filling the form are asked what is their religion. There are five religions stated, including Catholic and Church of Ireland. There is a further two choces, another religion (to be written in) or no religion.

    Some critics of that section have said it should distinguish between those practicing a religion and those who have lapsed or no longer practice a religion,
    who is saying this?



    wikipedia would red tag this paragraph


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    #298
    expectationlost
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    ixoy wrote: »
    So from the actual Census website on the religion question


    So the Cso are clearly stating that just because you were baptised does not mean you need to put that down. It's a great reference for those who have had to have this argument because, to falsely put it down, is against the CSO guidelines.

    who has made that "arguement"?


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    #299
    wench
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    wokingvoter wrote: »
    How long will it be before stats are available?
    They should be out in about a year's time
    http://census.ie/how-we-do-it/publishing-the-data/


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    #300
    wokingvoter
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    wench wrote: »
    They should be out in about a year's time
    http://census.ie/how-we-do-it/publishing-the-data/

    Thanks. Should be interesting


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    #301
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    expectationlost wrote:
    who has made that "arguement"?
    Posters like the below have seen it, and others have:
    lazygal wrote: »
    My brother had an almighty row with our father during the last census. My dad insisted the brother go down as Catholic even though he has identified as atheist since his teens. My father's reasoning was that those baptised into a faith had to put down that faith on the census. Its a view someone else I know had reinforced by a census enumerator, who when asked said if you're a baptised Catholic you have to tick Catholic on the census.
    So it's good to have the CSO lend some clarity to this.


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