Southern Hemisphere Domination

MJI · 18-10-2015 3:07pm #1

It's now highly likely that the RWC semi finals will be made up of all 4 southern hemisphere nations. Wales, France, Ireland and likely Scotland have fallen to the sheer domination of the south.

Dave_The_Sheep · 18-10-2015 3:09pm

I love the point you've made there.

Stev_o · 18-10-2015 3:13pm

I would be interested in seeing the injury lists for all NH tier 1 teams versus all SH tier 1 teams.

Rightwing · 18-10-2015 3:17pm

This thread won't be a popular one as people hate to face stark facts.

But you can't hide from severe thrashings...can you France? Or England? Or Ireland. Maybe the Scots can save the day ? :pac:

marc96 · 18-10-2015 3:18pm

Stev_o wrote: »

I would be interested in seeing the injury lists for all NH tier 1 teams versus all SH tier 1 teams.

Don't even start with the injury excuses,every team has injuries.only this week were the Irish saying how great the team was and that u had the best bench out of all the NH teams.wales had more injuries and played better still.

Stl088 · 18-10-2015 3:18pm

Without a complete retool of NH rugby, it's hard to imagine a NH making a World Cup Final anytime soon, let alone winning one.

SH are miles ahead. Attacking rugby - that's the name of the game.

Has anyone dared to ask the question - WHY can't NH attack the way SH squads can?

MD1990 · 18-10-2015 3:19pm

They have much better athleticism. Northern hemisphere backs are too focused on size not footwork & speed in the backs.

Burgo · 18-10-2015 3:19pm

Going to be the first ever all SH Semi finals, well unless scotland can do us proud!

clsmooth · 18-10-2015 3:20pm

Stl088 wrote: »

Without a complete retool of NH rugby, it's hard to imagine a NH making a World Cup Final anytime soon, let alone winning one.

SH are miles ahead. Attacking rugby - that's the name of the game.

Has anyone dared to ask the question - WHY can't NH attack the way SH squads can?

Base half your season playing rugby in the wind and rain in November, December, January and February and you have your answer.

Stev_o · 18-10-2015 3:21pm

marc96 wrote: »

Don't even start with the injury excuses,every team has injuries.only this week were the Irish saying how great the team was and that u had the best bench out of all the NH teams.wales had more injuries and played better still.

Calm down, what I am suggesting has nothing to do with Ireland as a sole nation.

This is a question from a Hemisphere perspective, did the NH suffer from injuries the the South? If they did was it to do with bad luck or poor scheduling or a different approach of conditioning.

Stl088 · 18-10-2015 3:21pm

Also, goes to show how useless the IRB rankings are in assessing the strength of Ireland v. countries outside of the Six Nations.

Ireland were NEVER the second best team in the world. You know how they achieved that ranking? By beating other highly ranked NH teams...... that are ALSO much worse than the SH nations.

Anyone ranking Ireland inside the top 4 right now is dreaming.

Rightwing · 18-10-2015 3:21pm

Stl088 wrote: »

Without a complete retool of NH rugby, it's hard to imagine a NH making a World Cup Final anytime soon, let alone winning one.

SH are miles ahead. Attacking rugby - that's the name of the game.

Has anyone dared to ask the question - WHY can't NH attack the way SH squads can?

We love the box kicks. They love to run and offload.

England had potential to do well but they blew it. I simply knew all the others would crumble at Q-F stage.

bigroad · 18-10-2015 3:22pm

We are the best in the NH so it no bad for a small country like us we should be ok with that.

MJI · 18-10-2015 3:22pm

Stev_o wrote: »

I would be interested in seeing the injury lists for all NH tier 1 teams versus all SH tier 1 teams.

Injuries are just excuses. Teams like NZ, SA and AUS. 15 men vs 15 men, they are different class. Their attacking game is on another level to anyone in the north

Celly Smunt · 18-10-2015 3:22pm

I say we breed our women with fine young SH men, and create a race destined to play rugby and Iook pretty.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-10-2015 3:23pm

The run and bump tactics of the Northern hemisphere will only get you so far.

MJI · 18-10-2015 3:26pm

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

I love the point you've made there.

The point is in the statement.They are simply better than us. No qualifying, No excuses. Pure domination

Rightwing · 18-10-2015 3:34pm

MJI wrote: »

The point is in the statement.They are simply better than us. No qualifying, No excuses. Pure domination

Lucozade sport would do well to pull their stupid home nations add now.

Chuckle chuckle.

Bounty Hunter · 18-10-2015 3:37pm

follow footballs terrible Qatar example, move the World cup to January February time. The SH lads won't like playing in the lashing rain on a cold day.

but seriously im not sure what they can do, there are several factors that combine to create this (some of which yes the weather is actually a factor in why they happen) from the fact that they have argueably got better youth coaching, more focus on athleticism, they play the game at much more of a pace with an emphasis on handling skills (offloads etc) and less so on the kicking game.

LeinsterDub · 18-10-2015 3:37pm

It seems every 8 years the game under goes a shift of focus. Given the neutering of the ruck by world rugby the sh teams have rightly focused out wide.

laugh · 18-10-2015 3:39pm

Celly Smunt wrote: »

I say we breed our women with fine young SH men, and create a race destined to play rugby and Iook pretty.

Why not bring their women here?

Coburger · 18-10-2015 3:42pm

Celly Smunt wrote: »

I say we breed our women with fine young SH men, and create a race destined to play rugby and Iook pretty.

And ban GAA :rolleyes: Only joking.

jank · 18-10-2015 4:01pm

Well done Argentina. There was a glimmer of hope there in the second half that Ireland could have won it but that door was quickly shut. This SH vs NH debate can await another day but it is clear where the power lies, in fact where it has always. Too much hype in NH about their teams.

I wonder what the future lies now for this team. A change in style hopefully.

Rightwing · 18-10-2015 4:13pm

jank wrote: »

Well done Argentina. There was a glimmer of hope there in the second half that Ireland could have won it but that door was quickly shut. This SH vs NH debate can await another day but it is clear where the power lies, in fact where it has always. Too much hype in NH about their teams.

I wonder what the future lies now for this team. A change in style hopefully.

Correct. Schmidt must be forced to change his conservative box kicking type game or be sacked.

LeinsterDub · 18-10-2015 4:20pm

Rightwing wrote: »

Correct. Schmidt must be forced to change his conservative box kicking type game or be sacked.

Do go on! We are going to sack a back to back 6 nations manager because?

Rightwing · 18-10-2015 4:26pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Do go on! We are going to sack a back to back 6 nations manager because?

Won on points differential, we are seeing the quality of teams that are in that now. Poor teams where a championship will probably be decided on who beats Italy by the most.

irishbucsfan · 18-10-2015 4:36pm

Rightwing wrote: »

Won on points differential, we are seeing the quality of teams that are in that now. Poor teams where a championship will probably be decided on who beats Italy by the most.

We are seeing what the quality of two teams who in that is when they are decimated by injury.

Rightwing · 18-10-2015 4:43pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

We are seeing what the quality of two teams who in that is when they are decimated by injury.

I don't buy into this injury stuff. Our box kicking style is all wrong. Same with France, didn't matter who they had or didn't have with their negative style.

irishbucsfan · 18-10-2015 4:47pm

Rightwing wrote: »

I don't buy into this injury stuff. Our box kicking style is all wrong. Same with France, didn't matter who they had or didn't have with their negative style.

I don't know how you could possibly not "buy into" an injury. Makes little sense really.

Paul O'Connell, Peter O'Mahoney, Sean O'Brien, Jonny Sexton and Jared Payne are 5 of our best players. If New Zealand lost Carter/McCaw/Whitelock/Kaino/Smith all at the same time they would struggle as well to replace them and look cohesive in the space of one week (two including Payne). It's a big ask.

Regardless, the idea that we have a "box kicking" game is simplistic and incorrect. It's a style we've used in some games, we didn't use it against France for example, we're capable of playing with the ball as well as kicking it. We're just very good at the kicking game.

Rightwing · 18-10-2015 4:57pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I don't know how you could possibly not "buy into" an injury. Makes little sense really.

Paul O'Connell, Peter O'Mahoney, Sean O'Brien, Jonny Sexton and Jared Payne are 5 of our best players. If New Zealand lost Carter/McCaw/Whitelock/Kaino/Smith all at the same time they would struggle as well to replace them and look cohesive in the space of one week (two including Payne). It's a big ask.

Regardless, the idea that we have a "box kicking" game is simplistic and incorrect. It's a style we've used in some games, we didn't use it against France for example, we're capable of playing with the ball as well as kicking it. We're just very good at the kicking game.

If NZ lost them, they wouldn't be crushed 20-43 by the Argies.

Only a fool would gloss over such a crushing defeat and blame it on injuries. POC is gone, I concede POM / SOB / JS were sorely missed, but you can always expect a few injuries in a tournament. With a full squad, the Argies would still smash us, that's the sad fact.

Questions must be asked why.

irishbucsfan · 18-10-2015 5:22pm

Rightwing wrote: »

If NZ lost them, they wouldn't be crushed 20-43 by the Argies.

The final score is irrelevant if they get beaten.

Rightwing wrote: »

Only a fool would gloss over such a crushing defeat and blame it on injuries. POC is gone, I concede POM / SOB / JS were sorely missed, but you can always expect a few injuries in a tournament. With a full squad, the Argies would still smash us, that's the sad fact.

Questions must be asked why.

The answer to those questions is an inability to replace 5 of our most important players in the space of one week. Only a fool would gloss over such a huge amount of disruption.

You say that with a full squad Argentina would smash us but you really have absolutely no evidence of that. I saw our full squad beat Australia and South Africa not that long ago,in between winning two 6 Nations.

It's so easy to only turn up when teams are playing badly, which is exactly what you do. It's easy to pretend you know the answers. But the reality is not as desperate as you seem to want it to be.

Southern Hemisphere Domination

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