Aim point - please explain how to use

LaVail

How can I implement this method. I have no idea how to use it. Can anyone break it down for me please?:o

stockdam

I assume that you mean how to use it when putting?

Stand facing the hole.
Estimate on a scale of 0 to 7 how much slope there is on the green to the hole.
Hold up that many fingers and align the outside edge of one of your outside fingers with the hole
The other edge of your fingers is your aimpoint (where you start the ball) - obviously if the slope is breaking right then your aim-point should be to the left of the hole.


There are a couple of problems with this technique that are the same no matter how you try to read greens.


Firstly it really only works on a simple slope........you can't do it on a putt that has several breaks.
How do you estimate the slope on a scale of 0 to 7? That's pure guesswork (they say that you feel the slope using your feet/balance).
What happens if the slope is more than 7 fingers (I guess you can use 8 (a pinkie is not as wide as a middle finger though).
You have to pick out a mark on the green but what if there are none?
The strength of your putt affects the way that the ball will break.
If you don't hit the ball hard enough it will never drop anyway.
You need to be able to roll the ball along the line that you are aiming.


In reality it's more snake-oil. It makes you believe that there's science behind it and that it will help your putting.
In reality there is no easy way to read the break of a green. It's down to experience and skill.

Try it if you want but you will look silly using it when the ball breaks 2 feet more than you predicted.

alxmorgan

How does the method account for people with different width fingers ?

Montgolfier

alxmorgan wrote: »

How does the method account for people with different width fingers ?

If you have hands like shovels your screwed ha ha also does that mean women with small fingers will play less break.
I reckon certain tour players were paid to promote it.

Dbu

alxmorgan wrote: »

How does the method account for people with different width fingers ?

:pac:

ha ha , the thoughts going through my head:D

FixdePitchmark

I wish this was never invented.

mike12

As with everything around putting if u believe it you will be confident and you will hole more putts.
For me 1 look behind the ball I'm ready to go, if I look at it from 4 different directions it just adds confusion and doubt.
Walking up to a green u can have the general lie of the land then get behind the ball and pick your line easy.
Starting the ball on line is still the biggest problem most have start improving by correcting that.

PARlance

The only question I have about aimpoint is whether I give it one or two fingers... let me see if I can accurately gauge the slope of this green by using my cushioned shoes... on yer bike.

Thankfully there are mutterings that the governing bodies are looking into the legality of it.You are not allowed to stand on, or within a "reasonable distance" of, the line of your putt.

FixdePitchmark

PARlance wrote: »

The only question I have about aimpoint is whether I give it one or two fingers... let me see if I can accurately gauge the slope of this green by using my cushioned shoes... on yer bike.

Thankfully there are mutterings that the governing bodies are looking into the legality of it.You are not allowed to stand on, or within a "reasonable distance" of, the line of your putt.

I don't want to name names

But seen a few young guys doing it - aim point + more over ball .

Just very very hard to watch - golf has spectator issues as is.

Would love if it was banned.

Boskowski

Its hard to blame the kids though, they're copying what they see on telly. All kids do that. I dare say we have all done it ourselves.

FixdePitchmark

Boskowski wrote: »

Its hard to blame the kids though, they're copying what they see on telly. All kids do that. I dare say we have all done it ourselves.

I agree with that.

The worst habits of the pros are floating into the kids game.

The USPGA and Euro Tour put up with too much crap for too long and it is at epidemic stage.

I think PARlance posted about a young guy that was so slow , you couldn't play with him. I think you did head in PARlance ? (lol)

I was out with a little McIlroy recently - his dad was lining him up - wasn't sure if it was the young lad or dad that was worse.

PARlance

That was Clane's answer to Camilo Villegas but I've no doubt he is currently using Aimpoint... and probably still racing 10 footers, 10 feet past the hole.

stockdam

My simple method is as follows.

First decide if there is any break at all...........very often you 2nd guess yourself and add more break than there is.
If you cannot see any break then aim for the middle of the hole.
If you think there is a small amount of break then aim just inside the relevant lip so that if the break is less than you expect, the ball will still fall.
For a mild break, estimate the number of inches that the ball will move and aim that much outside the lip.
When you get to a foot of break or so then it's really pure guesswork and the main aim is to not run the ball too far past.
When you just don't have a clue, try to get the ball inside a 2 to 3 foot circle of the hole so that you leave a simple enough putt.

I really can't see how holding up several fingers does anything other than slow down play.

ShivasIrons

To address some of the issues that are being highlighted about Aimpoint Express,

Firstly, it's an extremely quick method for reading greens, judging the slope and using your fingers to find where to aim takes very little time. To blame a method for slow play is silly, golfers are slow, methods are not. The unwillingness of clubs and authorities to do anything about slow play is the main reason behind slow play, if golfers can play slowly without any consequence they will play slowly.

Secondly, to say it's difficult to accurately judge slope with your feet is incorrect. With a small bit of practice it's quite easy to determine slopes even just the difference between 1 and 2 degree slopes. The eyes will play far more tricks on you then your feet.

Thirdly, it does work on multiple break putts, you can add or subtract slopes.

Fourthly, for different width fingers the arm can be placed at different lengths from the eyes, a little calibration is required to find out the best position for each golfer.

Fifthly, slopes in greens with 6, 7 or more degrees of slope won't have the ball stay on them so it's a very rare occurrence to have to use more then 4 or 5 fingers.

Putting has three components, picking the right line, starting the ball on the right line and hitting it at the correct speed. Most are awful at picking the right line yet you rarely see anyone practice reading putts. Most golfers can putt ok on their home greens because they know the breaks from memory but take them outside their home course they can be clueless on the greens. This is a simple and quick method to accurately read breaks.

To call it snake oil is incorrect, some of the smartest minds in golf, Mark Sweeney, John Graham, Stuart Leong, Jaime Donaldson are involved heavily in Aimpoint, and there's plenty of research and testing to back it up.

For those that think it's a waste of time why not take a clinic and see what it's all about, reserve your judgement about it after that.

mjsc1970

I would consider myself a decent putter and have been playing golf over 35 years. I don't watch much golf on TV at all and I've never heard of aimpoint until reading this thread now.
Putting really is not this complicated. Seriously.
But don't talk to me about chipping....

PARlance

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Putting has three components, picking the right line, starting the ball on the right line and hitting it at the correct speed. Most are awful at picking the right line yet you rarely see anyone practice reading putts. Most golfers can putt ok on their home greens because they know the breaks from memory but take them outside their home course they can be clueless on the greens. This is a simple and quick method to accurately read breaks.

To call it snake oil is incorrect, some of the smartest minds in golf, Mark Sweeney, John Graham, Stuart Leong, Jaime Donaldson are involved heavily in Aimpoint, and there's plenty of research and testing to back it up.

For those that think it's a waste of time why not take a clinic and see what it's all about, reserve your judgement about it after that.

You might be so good as to post some of this research and testing. I would be very interested to see if there is any substance to it. Accurately determining slope to a degree is some "feat".

Jamie Donaldson is hardly a poster boy for Aimpoint Express, he has been trending downwards of late. Aimpoint doesn't seem to have any positive effect bar possibly to his bank balance. He didn't need it to turn pro, star in a RC etc etc but that's minor detail.
For every one of the "smartest minds" in golf, there are thousands of smart minds that don't advocate/sell it.

ShivasIrons

PARlance wrote: »

You might be so good as to post some of this research and testing. I would be very interested to see if there is any substance to it. Accurately determining slope to a degree is some "feat".

Jamie Donaldson is hardly a poster boy for Aimpoint Express, he has been trending downwards of late. Aimpoint doesn't seem to have any positive effect bar possibly to his bank balance. He didn't need it to turn pro, star in a RC etc etc but that's minor detail.
For every one of the "smartest minds" in golf, there are thousands of smart minds that don't advocate/sell it.

Jaime Donaldson is the lead Aimpoint instructor in Europe, he's a different Jaime to the Tour Pro. Which of the 'smartest minds' in golf are debunking Aim Point Express and why?

To test Aimpoint is easy enough, there's three components to every putt, length of putt, speed of green and slope, if you know these then you can accurately gauge break. They are all measurable so the break of any putt can be determined. Then just compare the measured line with the line Aimpoint gives, the testing shows it to be very accurate.

PARlance

ShivasIrons wrote: »

Jaime Donaldson is the lead Aimpoint instructor in Europe, he's a different Jaime to the Tour Pro. Which of the 'smartest minds' in golf are debunking Aim Point Express and why?

To test Aimpoint is easy enough, there's three components to every putt, length of putt, speed of green and slope, if you know these then you can accurately gauge break. They are all measurable so the break of any putt can be determined. Then just compare the measured line with the line Aimpoint gives, the testing shows it to be very accurate.

While I have no issue with the teachings, I don't think it's a solution that the mass market (handicap golfers) will benefit greatly from:

1. Pace and stroke are far more common flaws (than line reading) in my experience. Both are required for Aimpoint to be effective.
2. Most handicap golfers don't, or will not, put in the practice required to perfect it.
3. I'm still very dubious on a persons ability to measure slope accurately with their feet... is there proof this can be achieved?
4. I think Aimpoint is based on knowing the stimp (?) which isn't available on the majority of courses here. And I've seen a lot of variation in green speeds within courses.

And the crux of it for me is that Aimpoint sells itself on the fact that many people's eyes can play tricks when reading greens. Aimpoint doesn't eliminate this, in fact, lining up the Aimpoint relies on your eyes so if there's a problem reading greens then it will spill over into Aimpoint.

I think it's a solution for good putters that are putting on good, fast, high standard greens. But most good putters can read greens quite well so it's use is to a very small market imo.

mikepajero182

LaVail wrote: »

How can I implement this method. I have no idea how to use it. Can anyone break it down for me please?:o

You need to take a class and get 'calibrated'. I done it a year ago, it absolutely 100% works. Great investment. The thing i found difficult was learning to feel the difference in slopes but i have gotten quite good with practice on the putting green.Honestly the only downside to aimpoint is explaining it to people who don't understand it and therefore refuse to believe it works for some reason. Everyone I play regularly with has acknowledged the difference it has made to my greenreading and in turn my game.
Feel free to p.m. me for more info.

mikepajero182

PARlance wrote: »

While I have no issue with the teachings, I don't think it's a solution that the mass market (handicap golfers) will benefit greatly from:

1. Pace and stroke are far more common flaws (than line reading) in my experience. Both are required for Aimpoint to be effective.
2. Most handicap golfers don't, or will not, put in the practice required to perfect it.
3. I'm still very dubious on a persons ability to measure slope accurately with their feet... is there proof this can be achieved?
4. I think Aimpoint is based on knowing the stimp (?) which isn't available on the majority of courses here. And I've seen a lot of variation in green speeds within courses.

And the crux of it for me is that Aimpoint sells itself on the fact that many people's eyes can play tricks when reading greens. Aimpoint doesn't eliminate this, in fact, lining up the Aimpoint relies on your eyes so if there's a problem reading greens then it will spill over into Aimpoint.

I think it's a solution for good putters that are putting on good, fast, high standard greens. But most good putters can read greens quite well so it's use is to a very small market imo.

Using aim point will make pace and stroke issues clear straight away, if you miss your aimpoint and dont hit your line you have made a bad stroke. Likewise with pace if you leave it short or putt it ten feet past.

I'm only doing this a year and can estimate slope accurately to within 1% usually. This was the part i found difficult at first but with some practice with a digital level on my local putting green I am now confident.

Aimpoint works on %slope which is almost impossible to tell with your eyes, I could never tell the difference between a 1 and 2 % slope by eye but with practice its now pretty easy for me to feel it. Sounds crazy but it works. Your eyes playing tricks on you is for example when you see a break with your eyes and the putt actually breaks the other way. This happens regularly, with Aimpoint i feel the slope going the direction instead of what my eyes have told me. this was a strage feeling at first, going against the read my eyes had seen, but it works 100% when done properly. Bear in mind this is a method for reading greens only, it does not make you a better putter no more than a yardage book makes you a better ball striker but it has been a huge help to my game.

You do not need to know the stimp of a green, once you hit a few putts on a new course any experience Aimpoint user can adjust to the speed of the green by allowing for more or less break. This usually takes Just a few putts to figure out for me.

I can honestly say im my experience the only downside is trying to explain this method on the course to people who don't understand it. For whatever reason it seems a lot of people don't want to believe it works and dismiss it as rubbish which can get a bit irratiting after a while.

Anyone I have played with regulary have acknowledged the huge difference it has made to my game.

Russman

PARlance wrote: »

Thankfully there are mutterings that the governing bodies are looking into the legality of it.You are not allowed to stand on, or within a "reasonable distance" of, the line of your putt.

Hopefully this ^^^
I thought I read an article a few months ago where the ruling bodies had sort of "fired a shot across the bows" of the players at an event in the States by giving them all a reminder of the rule in question. Whether they have the cojones to actually police it is another thing of course.

PARlance

mikepajero182 wrote: »

Using aim point will make pace and stroke issues clear straight away, if you miss your aimpoint and dont hit your line you have made a bad stroke. Likewise with pace if you leave it short or putt it ten feet past.

I'm only doing this a year and can estimate slope accurately to within 1% usually. This was the part i found difficult at first but with some practice with a digital level on my local putting green I am now confident.

Aimpoint works on %slope which is almost impossible to tell with your eyes, I could never tell the difference between a 1 and 2 % slope by eye but with practice its now pretty easy for me to feel it. Sounds crazy but it works. Your eyes playing tricks on you is for example when you see a break with your eyes and the putt actually breaks the other way. This happens regularly, with Aimpoint i feel the slope going the direction instead of what my eyes have told me. this was a strage feeling at first, going against the read my eyes had seen, but it works 100% when done properly. Bear in mind this is a method for reading greens only, it does not make you a better putter no more than a yardage book makes you a better ball striker but it has been a huge help to my game.

You do not need to know the stimp of a green, once you hit a few putts on a new course any experience Aimpoint user can adjust to the speed of the green by allowing for more or less break. This usually takes Just a few putts to figure out for me.

I can honestly say im my experience the only downside is trying to explain this method on the course to people who don't understand it. For whatever reason it seems a lot of people don't want to believe it works and dismiss it as rubbish which can get a bit irratiting after a while.

Anyone I have played with regulary have acknowledged the huge difference it has made to my game.

That certainly changes my cynicism, which admittedly is my default position in terms of the next big thing in golf type hype.

Thanks for clearing up the points, it's great to get actual feedback. I'm still struggling to imagine how slope can be determined so accurately with feet/feel but I'll have to let that one go. Where do I sign up?

All that said, I would hate to be stuck behind you on the course, with all that aim pointing and explaining you're doing

Russman

mikepajero182 wrote: »

Using aim point will make pace and stroke issues clear straight away, if you miss your aimpoint and dont hit your line you have made a bad stroke. Likewise with pace if you leave it short or putt it ten feet past.

I'm only doing this a year and can estimate slope accurately to within 1% usually. This was the part i found difficult at first but with some practice with a digital level on my local putting green I am now confident.

Aimpoint works on %slope which is almost impossible to tell with your eyes, I could never tell the difference between a 1 and 2 % slope by eye but with practice its now pretty easy for me to feel it. Sounds crazy but it works. Your eyes playing tricks on you is for example when you see a break with your eyes and the putt actually breaks the other way. This happens regularly, with Aimpoint i feel the slope going the direction instead of what my eyes have told me. this was a strage feeling at first, going against the read my eyes had seen, but it works 100% when done properly. Bear in mind this is a method for reading greens only, it does not make you a better putter no more than a yardage book makes you a better ball striker but it has been a huge help to my game.

You do not need to know the stimp of a green, once you hit a few putts on a new course any experience Aimpoint user can adjust to the speed of the green by allowing for more or less break. This usually takes Just a few putts to figure out for me.

I can honestly say im my experience the only downside is trying to explain this method on the course to people who don't understand it. For whatever reason it seems a lot of people don't want to believe it works and dismiss it as rubbish which can get a bit irratiting after a while.

Anyone I have played with regulary have acknowledged the huge difference it has made to my game.

But, genuinely curious, if you have a long putt, say, 30/40 feet, do you need to do it several times along its length ? I would have thought that when you're standing behind the ball, your feet are only "feeling" the slope at that point ?

I'll admit to having one foot in the cynical camp on this though, I mean, really, how often does a putt go the opposite to what we think ? Once every 5 rounds maybe ?

FixdePitchmark

At the end of the day - it is very very frustrating to watch - touching on obnoxious.
We are trying to create better image for fast play in the game. Even if someone proves it is express - it can't be faster than the lads who watch as other are putting - stand up and hit.

The best putters that have ever lived never used it.

I will keep an open mind if you can feel 1% - as 1% over a stance must be about 0.5 cm.
I do understand that the body is incredible in relation to balance perception.

But - hopefully it is banned very soon.

bustercherry

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

At the end of the day - it is very very frustrating to watch - touching on obnoxious.
We are trying to create better image for fast play in the game. Even if someone proves it is express - it can't be faster than the lads who watch as other are putting - stand up and hit.

The best putters that have ever lived never used it.

I will keep an open mind if you can feel 1% - as 1% over a stance must be about 0.5 cm.
I do understand that the body is incredible in relation to balance perception.

But - hopefully it is banned very soon.

You can't ban people from reading putts.

Aim point express is fairly straight forward and no slower than how most people read them. All it is doing is trying to get people to apply some sort of consistent methodology.

Edit: I don't use it but appreciate what it is trying to do.

mikepajero182

PARlance wrote: »

That certainly changes my cynicism, which admittedly is my default position in terms of the next big thing in golf type hype.

Thanks for clearing up the points, it's great to get actual feedback. I'm still struggling to imagine how slope can be determined so accurately with feet/feel but I'll have to let that one go. Where do I sign up?

All that said, I would hate to be stuck behind you on the course, with all that aim pointing and explaining you're doing

You won't be stuck behind me because I can read a putt quicker than most of my playing partners. I never walk to the other side of the hole, one quick read at the centre of the putt and putt up my finger(s) and hit the putt. Takes a few seconds.

Explaining it to people like yourself that actually listen is a pleasure, some people no matter what you say have decided it is nonsense and that can be frustrating as hell. If it goes down that road I usually don't bother trying explaining any further.

mikepajero182

Russman wrote: »

Hopefully this ^^^
I thought I read an article a few months ago where the ruling bodies had sort of "fired a shot across the bows" of the players at an event in the States by giving them all a reminder of the rule in question. Whether they have the cojones to actually police it is another thing of course.

There are no plans to ban Aimpoint. This is more storys from people who don't understand it. There was a lot of rumours regarding the legality of it and the r and a issued a statement re stating rule 16-1a decision 12.

Link here http://www.randa.org/en/RandA/News/News/2015/January/Rule-16-1a-Touching-the-Line-of-Putt-and-Players-Who-Straddle-or-Walk-Alongside-the-Line-of-Putt.aspx

Basically a player cannot touch the line of his putt. There is no benifit that i can think of to walking on your own line, which is why you always take your read on the low side of your putt. Away from your line. On a short one of 3 or 4 feet you can putt one foot either side of your line to get a better feel. An Aimpointer will NEVER want to stand on his own line, that would be stupid anyway as everyone wears spikes.

Basically people 'think they heard' or 'might have seen' somewhere that it is being banned.

If so post a link.

mikepajero182

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

At the end of the day - it is very very frustrating to watch - touching on obnoxious.
We are trying to create better image for fast play in the game. Even if someone proves it is express - it can't be faster than the lads who watch as other are putting - stand up and hit.

The best putters that have ever lived never used it.


I will keep an open mind if you can feel 1% - as 1% over a stance must be about 0.5 cm.
I do understand that the body is incredible in relation to balance perception.

But - hopefully it is banned very soon.

This is exactly the attitude that put me off joining a golf club before i did. You want it banned because you think it is abnoxious looking???
Terrible attitude towards a method that is helping people.

mikepajero182

Russman wrote: »

But, genuinely curious, if you have a long putt, say, 30/40 feet, do you need to do it several times along its length ? I would have thought that when you're standing behind the ball, your feet are only "feeling" the slope at that point ?

I'll admit to having one foot in the cynical camp on this though, I mean, really, how often does a putt go the opposite to what we think ? Once every 5 rounds maybe ?

The slope at the middle third of the putt controls the break for the putt we are thought so on a 30-40 foot you have a middle section of 12 feet or so to take your read from. Takes a few seconds.

Genuine question for you, why did you agree that hopefully it should be banned soon when you didn't even know how a read is taken using Aimpoint?

FixdePitchmark

OK I accept the use of the word "obnoxious" is provocative.

So I better contextualise.

We are dealing with a situation in golf where routine and slow play are now at a critical point. This is acknowledged by all that love and care about the game and the future.

We are dealing with a situation where over 4.5 hour rounds are accepted - many have reached an end point.

In my club men over 50/60 and 70 , would not accept the notion a 4 ball should be 4hr15m - they aim for sub 4 and will catch a modern , freeze player , 4 practice swing , 360 degree green reading slow playing , slow walking day dreamer, typically under 40 years of age.

Yes provocative again - but if we pause for a second , if someone is so selfish not to care about anyone but their game, their place on the course , their behaviour on the course. We have to examine the root of the anger.

Now - I would be a very tolerant golfer, dislike intolerance in golfers more than most players I know.

But we still have to solve the biggest issues in the game.

Yes Aimpoint is not an issue in the amature game now (" thank God") - but these methods have a track record. Kids watch the pros , kids do, then Dad is doing it - then a lad who never even practices his putting , plays once a month is doing Aim Point - seems alarmist , but we have seen the way this goes.

So - my observations of Aimpoint.

It is not just how slow it is (If anyone has watched Crossfield videos they will see is it "Buzza", how slow and poor a putter he is) It is how selfish some of these "routines" are. People forget that there is a flow to golf, ready, hit , ready, hit, ready hit. That flow of the game is important for all , there is a rhythm. When someone goes out of that rhythm - because, "you know" - they go into their own zonal zen routine. It is very very frustrating for the rest of the golfers. It actually puts other off their game - so what is worse, Intolerance or selfishness.

Now - I have seen the young lads at it at amateur events - it is worse than just getting the slope - there is a closing of eyes and a visualization aspect to it. Yes , some may do it quick , but others will add it to other aspects of their routine , then they have to line ball with hole, then line it again - then they may do one more stand over.

Now sensible older gents around this game - were basically laughing into their hands when they were watching this (these are lads that have seen some of the best putters ever play the game) - then if you miss a putt because of a stroke error - what was it honestly all about.

Now - I don't agree laughing is acceptable - I know everything changes , ideas change.

But - we are about at end point with any more elements to routine.

Because, they always seem to be in series to additional daftness.

Russman

mikepajero182 wrote: »

The slope at the middle third of the putt controls the break for the putt we are thought so on a 30-40 foot you have a middle section of 12 feet or so to take your read from. Takes a few seconds.

Genuine question for you, why did you agree that hopefully it should be banned soon when you didn't even know how a read is taken using Aimpoint?

Because (and it's purely my opinion) I think that players straddling their own line does in fact breach the rule that states you can't touch your line (16-1a), specifically the reasonable distance either side of it part.

I'll grant you it can't be banned in fairness, but the act of standing on or near the line, halfway along its length, for me, is a bit much.

That, and I honestly think it looks ridiculous, but that's neither here nor there.

FixdePitchmark

Russman wrote: »

Because (and it's purely my opinion) I think that players straddling their own line does in fact breach the rule that states you can't touch your line (16-1a), specifically the reasonable distance either side of it part.

I'll grant you it can't be banned in fairness, but the act of standing on or near the line, halfway along its length, for me, is a bit much.

That, and I honestly think it looks ridiculous, but that's neither here nor there.

http://www.randa.org/en/RandA/News/News/2015/January/Rule-16-1a-Touching-the-Line-of-Putt-and-Players-Who-Straddle-or-Walk-Alongside-the-Line-of-Putt.aspx

FixdePitchmark

That is great to read that there is action taking place.

So if an "aimpointer" stands midpoint .

Then hits a put that crosses where they were standing (even a pull or push) - that means 2 stroke penalty.

Brilliant. They better practice their splits.

mikepajero182

Thats the exact link I posted earlier where the r and a re stated the rule.

FixdePitchmark

mikepajero182 wrote: »

Thats the exact link I posted earlier where the r and a re stated the rule.

So ,

"The same is true of any other practices used by players to gain information when their ball is on the putting green, such as walking alongside the line of putt to measure the distance to the hole or standing at a midpoint to the hole and hovering the putter over the line of putt. To avoid the risk of penalty, players or their caddies who take any such actions should take care to avoid touching the line of putt, which includes a reasonable distance on either side of the intended line, with their feet, the club, or anything else."

How do you find midpoint of putt ?

And then - have you never rolled a ball were you stood - even in error.


You keep mentioning midpoint - how do you work out midpoint.

mikepajero182

No that would be ridiculous. Imagine pulling or pushing a putt over where you just walked and getting a penalty every time.

The "line of putt" is the line that the player wishes his ball to take after a stroke on the putting green. Except with respect to Rule 16-1e, the line of putt includes a reasonable distance on either side of the intended line. The line of putt does not extend beyond the hole.

Again an Aimpointer will never ever stand on his line. Who would want to?? You never straddle anything longer than a 3 or 4 footer. Longer than that you take the read on the low side of the line. No one would intentionally miss a putt lower than the slope.

Anyways, seems you have Aimpoint written off already. And now I'm repeating things I have already said which is no fun so i'll leave it at that.

Good luck with the games lads!

FixdePitchmark

mikepajero182 wrote: »

No that would be ridiculous. Imagine pulling or pushing a putt over where you just walked and getting a penalty every time.

The "line of putt" is the line that the player wishes his ball to take after a stroke on the putting green. Except with respect to Rule 16-1e, the line of putt includes a reasonable distance on either side of the intended line. The line of putt does not extend beyond the hole.

Again an Aimpointer will never ever stand on his line. Who would want to?? You never straddle anything longer than a 3 or 4 footer. Longer than that you take the read on the low side of the line. No one would intentionally miss a putt lower than the slope.

Anyways, seems you have Aimpoint written off already. And now I'm repeating things I have already said which is no fun so i'll leave it at that.

Good luck with the games lads!

Well it seems you have made up your mind too.

We are golfers too.

We have a right to say that the way the game is going is wrong.

This is wrong - most golfers I play with wouldn't put up with it.

How do you find mid point ?

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mikepajero182 wrote: »

No that would be ridiculous. Imagine pulling or pushing a putt over where you just walked and getting a penalty every time.

The "line of putt" is the line that the player wishes his ball to take after a stroke on the putting green. Except with respect to Rule 16-1e, the line of putt includes a reasonable distance on either side of the intended line. The line of putt does not extend beyond the hole.

Again an Aimpointer will never ever stand on his line. Who would want to?? You never straddle anything longer than a 3 or 4 footer. Longer than that you take the read on the low side of the line. No one would intentionally miss a putt lower than the slope.

Anyways, seems you have Aimpoint written off already. And now I'm repeating things I have already said which is no fun so i'll leave it at that.

Good luck with the games lads!

I think the problem arises when players straddle the line for medium or long putts. And not straddle wide enough.
I have seen a lot of guys on Vlogs and they all tend to straddle as opposed to doing (what Aimpoint recommends in fairness) it on the low side.

This video more or less covers all eventualities.
https://vimeo.com/134223583

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stockdam wrote: »

There are a couple of problems with this technique that are the same no matter how you try to read greens.


Firstly it really only works on a simple slope........you can't do it on a putt that has several breaks.
How do you estimate the slope on a scale of 0 to 7? That's pure guesswork (they say that you feel the slope using your feet/balance).
What happens if the slope is more than 7 fingers (I guess you can use 8 (a pinkie is not as wide as a middle finger though).
You have to pick out a mark on the green but what if there are none?
The strength of your putt affects the way that the ball will break.
If you don't hit the ball hard enough it will never drop anyway.
You need to be able to roll the ball along the line that you are aiming.


In reality it's more snake-oil. It makes you believe that there's science behind it and that it will help your putting.
In reality there is no easy way to read the break of a green. It's down to experience and skill.

Try it if you want but you will look silly using it when the ball breaks 2 feet more than you predicted.

You forgot fat fingers as one of the variables.