Eir rural FTTH thread

frozenfrozen

would it be possible to skip the ont and plug the fibre directly into your own sfp module? obviously not going to do this but just out of interest?

oscarBravo

frozenfrozen wrote: »

would it be possible to skip the ont and plug the fibre directly into your own sfp module? obviously not going to do this but just out of interest?

Nope. The ONT is an active PON client - the downstream signal is encrypted to each specific ONT. Part of the installation involves "pairing" the ONT to the OLT so that it can join the network.

Even if you had a PON-capable SFP, you wouldn't be able to configure it to join the network.

tsue921i8wljb3

oleras wrote: »

Yes, I am dark blue.

The reps here keep mentioning that there isnt a port available in the cabinet or exchange.

can anyone who knows how this is wired up on the eir side explain if ports are used for FTTH ?

I saw your thread in the eir forum. It seems like the rep doesn't have an answer so is reverting to an answer that makes more sense in a FTTC network that may be live for several years. Obviously there is finite capacity in each OLT in the exchange but they most likely have built the network with extra capacity looking forward to the NBP and even if not how likely is it that your exchange could be full so soon after going live?

The Cush

oscarBravo wrote: »

Strictly speaking: blue, orange, green, brown, slate, white, red, black, yellow, violet, rose, and aqua. The fibres are numbered 1-12 in that order, as are the loose tubes they're in. So the blue tube contains fibres 1-12, the orange contains 13-24, and the green contains 25-36.

You can see how this approach allows easy identification of up to 144 fibres in a single cable.

thanks OB, I laid out the fibre strands in no particular order but simply to show the colour range.

This is how the manufacturer, Acome, identifies the cable strands per tube (6 or 12 strands) and the tubes, up to 24 tubes, for a maximum of 288 strands per cable.



They are using a different colour coding standard for the fibres, similar to or based on IEC-60757/IEC-60304, instead of EIA/TIA-598, "Optical Fiber Cable Color Coding"

IEC-60757/IEC-60304 identifies the colours as Blue, Orange, Green, Red, Grey, Yellow, Brown, Violet, Black, White, Pink, Turquoise but no agreed colour positioning.

Johnboy1951

According to an eir engineer I spoke to some time ago
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102307853&postcount=3013

He had some interesting info about the cable they will use in the ducting.
It is 36 core, 12 each of three different colours ....... and one of those colour batches is reserved for some future use, so 24 fibres to be used.

He compared this to the 32 pair copper eircom had used decades ago.
He believes the aim is to split each fibre into 8, with the likelihood that up to 200 homes will be served from the 24 fibres, dependent on the houses in an area. He seemed to believe that a x10 way split could occur in places.

The remaining 12 fibres were referred to as 'core' ..... so it looks like those are reserved for going much further out .....

The Cush

The split ratio according to an eir presentation last year, they chose a cascaded two stage splitter architecture, each fibre will have 1:32 split comprising a primary 1:8 split and a secondary 1:4 split for rural FTTH.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103432680

frozenfrozen

Was just on the phone to someone from Eir confirming the order. They are really committed to the lie that 1TB is almost achievable (him:'you'd have to be downloading constantly to reach that number' me: constantly.. for less than 3 hours on a gigabit connection...) and he apparently hasn't heard of anyone even getting close to the 1TB limit in his 7 years there..?!

I don't want to keep banging on about it but really are they an internet service provider or a youtube / facebook / netflix provider? If they seriously can't imagine how someone would use more than 1TB in a month on a gigabit connection they are in the wrong game, but it's obviously the case that it's just complete marketing bs

rob808

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Was just on the phone to someone from Eir confirming the order. They are really committed to the lie that 1TB is almost achievable (him:'you'd have to be downloading constantly to reach that number' me: constantly.. for less than 3 hours on a gigabit connection...) and he apparently hasn't heard of anyone even getting close to the 1TB limit in his 7 years there..?!

I don't want to keep banging on about it but really are they an internet service provider or a youtube / facebook / netflix provider? If they seriously can't imagine how someone would use more than 1TB in a month on a gigabit connection they are in the wrong game, but it's obviously the case that it's just complete marketing bs

There not gona change there 1TB limit anytime soon so just keep a eye on what your downloading and you be ok.

niallb

frozenfrozen wrote: »

I don't want to keep banging on about it but really are they an internet service provider or a youtube / facebook / netflix provider? If they seriously can't imagine how someone would use more than 1TB in a month on a gigabit connection they are in the wrong game, but it's obviously the case that it's just complete marketing bs

Then stop banging on about it here. This is a valid discussion, but it's about caps, not about FTTH. It needs its own thread. It's about an Eir product, not an Open Eir one.

Eir can actually imagine people using more than 1TB a month,
and have made provision for it. The charge per month is an additional hundred euro so it's there if you want to use it that badly.

Can we split this discussion out of here, as this thread is becoming more and more irrelevant to its original purpose - to note progress in delivery of FTTH.

rob808

niallb wrote: »

Then stop banging on about it here. This is a valid discussion, but it's about caps, not about FTTH. It needs its own thread. It's about an Eir product, not an Open Eir one.

Eir can actually imagine people using more than 1TB a month,
and have made provision for it. The charge per month is an additional hundred euro so it's there if you want to use it that badly.

Can we split this discussion out of here, as this thread is becoming more and more irrelevant to its original purpose - to note progress in delivery of FTTH.

There no point of even making a thread about download limits it pointless westnet and virgin media are the only two ISP I've know off that are unlimited.The rest have download limits which aren't changing for seeable future.

frozenfrozen

niallb wrote: »

Then stop banging on about it here. This is a valid discussion, but it's about caps, not about FTTH. It needs its own thread. It's about an Eir product, not an Open Eir one.

Eir can actually imagine people using more than 1TB a month,
and have made provision for it. The charge per month is an additional hundred euro so it's there if you want to use it that badly.

Can we split this discussion out of here, as this thread is becoming more and more irrelevant to its original purpose - to note progress in delivery of FTTH.

rawr someone needs a snickers

cornet

Quick update: Had a successful install and can see why so many fail or are left with lots of exposed wiring. Thankfully a relatively modern house helped.
Initial feedback - getting wifi speeds of 142MB on 150MB using 5G but falls to 30-40MB using 2.4G and sometimes lower. Must be a router problem. Eir TV seems ok picture-wise but remote control does not control volume like Sky did and menu is glitchy.

frozenfrozen

Cornet any tips for what we could do to make it go smoother?

cornet

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Out of interest, who performed the installation? Ours was by KN, and nothing is working. Eir won't listen, KN are saying it's a problem because of another branch of KN and we'll just have to wait and see for a couple of weeks. Basically no one we can speak to is taking responsibility.

Installed by KN

cornet

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Cornet any tips for what we could do to make it go smoother?

Figure out the cable routing yourself beforehand and have a couple of options for them. Know exactly where you want the router. More than likely it will not be where your existing phone is (e.g. Hallway). Remember if you are going with the TV option they need to wire to that too. They are not going to spend any time going into your attic or figuring out the cleanest way to install.

I think if your internal connection is not at a gable end where they can drill in then it will be a problem. They are not going to route cables to the centre of the house.

Our compromise was to install at the TV (gable end) and move the dect phone beside it.

The Cush

cornet wrote: »

Our compromise was to install at the TV (gable end) and move the dect phone beside it.

Were you an existing telephone subscriber over the copper line and did they transfer you over to VOIP/VOBB?

long_b

We added the TV to our original broadband only order. They used Eir branded homeplugs instead of doing any extra wiring for them TV

Works fine for me.

You'd want to have the router and the TV on the same electrical circuit, but most houses would do AFAIK

cnocbui

The Cush wrote: »

Fibre rolling out in my area at the moment, had a first look at the aerial cabling being installed

UND1534 manufactured by Acome in France
Single-mode fibre G652D (N8228A)
36 Fibres (3x12)
O.D. 8.3mm

Can anyone with FTTH installed identify the 2 strand fibre drop-cable used from pole to ODP, suspect it might be UNB1629 or UNB1630

Disassembled an offcut of the cable



Outer sheath on the left
2 fibre tubes (blue & green)
3 strands of Aramid yarn as strength member
1 fibre tube (orange) followed by the 12 strands of fibre from that tube, coloured - turquoise, violet, orange, brown, red, blue, pink, grey, black, yellow, green, white

http://www.acome.fr/index.php/en/Telecoms2/Telecoms-and-Infrastructures-Networks/Products-and-Systems/Optical-FTTH-access-network

Interesting. Your photo portrays the 'aramid' yarn as being clear/white. Is that the case or is it yellow/golden? If the latter, then it's kevlar/aramid. If it is clear/white, then it isn't and is Dynema/Spectra (UHMWPE) which has twice the tensile strength of Kevlar at 2/3 the weight and the 'aramid' mentioned in the brochure is an error. Sorry, irrelevant fiber geekishness.

frozenfrozen

TL;DR: Would they be OK with running the cable over the roof?

I've been out checking which way the cable could be run and I think the best way goes over the roof.

The phone line (which we are keeping AFAIK because we have a monitored alarm?) connects to the end of the house at the green dot side

this is the wrong side for where would be best to have the cable come in (walls are very thick over on that side and the phone lines as pictured actually run along the whole outside perimeter of the house, coming in on the side of the house I want the fibre to come in.)



Green dot = pole from previous pictures I've put up
dotted line = path cable would have to take over the roof
white dot = where the cable would come into the house

If I was on the roof would they feed cable up to me and let me run it over the house, would I need to run some kind of conduit beforehand that they could just pull the cable through?

At that white dot there is already a hole through a conventionally thick wall, and a plug socket. Either they would need to enlarge the existing hole a bit or I could do it and have a little bit of port hole ready for them there.

The last thing I want is a failed install so want to have it as smooth as possible and all figured out well beforehand

cornet

frozenfrozen wrote: »

If I was on the roof would they feed cable up to me and let me run it over the house, would I need to run some kind of conduit beforehand that they could just pull the cable through?

No.They said to me that they cannot let others pull the cable.

cornet

The Cush wrote: »

Were you an existing telephone subscriber over the copper line and did they transfer you over to VOIP/VOBB?

Yes.

Pangea

The Cush wrote: »

Were you an existing telephone subscriber over the copper line and did they transfer you over to VOIP/VOBB?

How would one know if they are transferred over to VOIP/VOBB?

iioklo

Pangea wrote: »

How would one know if they are transferred over to VOIP/VOBB?

Your Phone would be pluged into 1 of the 2 phone slots on the back of the router.

The Cush

cnocbui wrote: »

Your photo portrays the 'aramid' yarn as being clear/white. Is that the case or is it yellow/golden? If the latter, then it's kevlar/aramid. If it is clear/white, then it isn't and is Dynema/Spectra (UHMWPE) which has twice the tensile strength of Kevlar at 2/3 the weight and the 'aramid' mentioned in the brochure is an error.

Yes it is white and the reference to aramid yarn came from their brochure. Looking at the documentation on the Acome site they refer to the use of Aramid yarn from cable Range 1265 onwards (48 fibre+). The fibre cable I referenced comes from the 24 to 36 fibre range (Range 1199). So you're probably correct.

Strength member: Aramid yarn from 48 to 144 fibers (from range Z1265)

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Were you an existing telephone subscriber over the copper line and did they transfer you over to VOIP/VOBB?

cornet wrote: »

Yes.

Were you required to change to VoIP/VOBB from copper or did they ask if you wanted to transfer or did they just change it over without asking?

Has anyone been changed over to VoIP/VOBB?
I'm curious as I expected the service to start last April, but have had radio silence from Eir since.

Pangea

iioklo wrote: »

Your Phone would be pluged into 1 of the 2 phone slots on the back of the router.

Thanks, I dont have it so.. I wouldnt want the phone in the room where the router is either so dont know how I would work that out when the time comes.

Pangea

Pangea wrote: »

Thanks, I dont have it so.. I wouldnt want the phone in the room where the router is either so dont know how I would work that out when the time comes.

This is where the home structured cabling comes into play, Use cat5 cable to go from the router to your phone, Otherwise just run a long cable with an "eir" socket near the phone and plug the other end into the modem.

Eir have to launch the service first, or you can use one of the other VoIP providers out there.

The Cush

Deleted User wrote: »

Has anyone been changed over to VoIP/VOBB?
I'm curious as I expected the service to start last April, but have had radio silence from Eir since.

Deleted User wrote: »

Eir have to launch the service first, or you can use one of the other VoIP providers out there.

I'm assuming they've launched just not promoting it yet. Their VoBB pricing has been in effect since 23/06/17 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103890254#post103890254

open-eir had planned a 6 month wholesale promotion for service providers to migrate subscribers from copper to NGA/CGA/NGB VUA from the beginning of July but by June the promotion proposal had disappeared, maybe objections from ???

No one has posted that they were changed over to VoBB from copper that I can recall, snowstreams did get a new VoBB service when he had FTTH installed back on June 27th - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104411854#post104411854

iioklo

Pangea wrote: »

I wouldnt want the phone in the room where the router is either so dont know how I would work that out when the time comes.

If you have a Telephone Wall Outlet near the Router (maybe your Router was pluged into to get VDSL/ADSL) you could connect a cable in here then all phone points around your house should be connected to the VoIP/VoBB service.