Eir rural FTTH thread

snowstreams

d31b0y wrote: »

Salesman did call around about 2 weeks ago...

They have must have been over optimistic or miss informed with their dates so.

My salesman gave me a realistic connection date whereas the salespeople on the phone were trying to book me in for a date about a week or before go live.

RoYoBo

I decided to follow up again with Open eir via another email [fibrepower@openeir.ie] and their diplomatic reply advises me not to get my hopes up before the end of November, as that is the expected forecast date and there 'could be delays'!

I would suggest that anyone with a so-called 'live' order for FTTH would do well to check with Open Eir first, especially if they want to avoid being under contract to Eir long before they want/need to be.

I've also raised a query with Eir here on Boards and I'm awaiting a definitive reply WRT my contract and my cancellation rights.

damienirel

joe_99 wrote: »

All those 70k homes are on a pre-qualification file that is provided to all operators. It allows them to identify potential customers. If the 70k figure is incorrect then operators will soon discover it and open eir will be in serious trouble with ComReg for feeding them false information.

What pre-qualification do you mean when the fibre only needs to pass premises not actually be connectable? I reckon eir have out foxed just about everybody at this stage. The 20 mill fine for late delivery is a forgone conclusion as David Brent would say. It's a slap on the wrist for the company that will be eventually rolling out country wide - it's disgusting that the government is so indifferent to any of this. Naughton is a complete failure.

fbradyirl

d31b0y wrote: »

Salesman did call around about 2 weeks ago...

Same for me...

tsue921i8wljb3

damienirel wrote: »

What pre-qualification do you mean when the fibre only needs to pass premises not actually be connectable? I reckon eir have out foxed just about everybody at this stage. The 20 mill fine for late delivery is a forgone conclusion as David Brent would say. It's a slap on the wrist for the company that will be eventually rolling out country wide - it's disgusting that the government is so indifferent to any of this. Naughton is a complete failure.

He's right in that the commitment contract specifies that a premises is only passed when:

"Premises Passed" means for:
(a) a wireline network, when a Premises for which the wireline network has a
Distribution Point sufficiently close to that Premises such that High Speed
Broadband Services can be provisioned for that Premises;

and eir has listed the status of the Premises as 'ready for order' on the eir NGA Plan File.

The NGA Plan is:

"eir NGA Plan File" means the file issued by eir on a monthly basis to industry, as required by the Regulator, which indicates eir's most up to date information relating to the availability of eir's High Speed Broadband Services and forecasted dates for future developments, and includes the file known as the Advance PreQualification File.

I've seen an Openeir Deployment Plan dated March 2017 when there would have been a certain number of FTTH premises live. Nowhere in that document was there a mention of FTTH "Ready for Order".

Perhaps the document has been altered in the following three months.

The numbers still don't add up though. If to be passed the exchange has to be given a due live date even including the areas announced up to the 19th of July it would only bring the total to 53000 premises (thats assuming every premises in every area goes live which is highly unlikely).

Jpmarn

Reports from the Inch St Lawernce and Pallasgreen exchange areas following my observation today and yesterday. First in the Inch area the Fibre lines rollout in the Ballybricken and Caherally area last week seemed to have stalled without completion. It seems the fibre crews are running from Billy to Jack with concentrating on getting the job done in a particular area. I think it is delaying the whole rollout process. According to the rollout map if you living just north of Ballyneety village in the townlands of Scart and Knockea your fibre lines are live. People take note of that. No fibre yet south of Ballyneety and Ballingarde area. Reporting no further progress in the rest of the Inch area.
In the Pallasgreen area there is no fibre yet arriving into Kilteely village. I was told be a man who lives there that there was some work done through the ducts around the village. Still no fibre cable going to Old Pallas from Cloverfield but ducts have been prepared for routing the fibre cable which will probably run mostly overground following the copper cables. Pallasgreen village is being wired up using a feed from Dromkeen on the main road going through new and existing ducts. There is distribution box just on the Old Pallas road before the GAA field and community hall. This type of box is associated with a fttc cabinet.

tsue921i8wljb3

joe_99 wrote: »

All those 70k homes are on a pre-qualification file that is provided to all operators. It allows them to identify potential customers. If the 70k figure is incorrect then operators will soon discover it and open eir will be in serious trouble with ComReg for feeding them false information.

Joe according to Openeir the APQ is:

A per Operator file confirming the available premises where Orders can be issued.

My reading of that is it's tailored for each reseller. That means only eir retail, Pure and Digiweb would get the file relating to the whole country. It would take one of these to blow the whistle if there were discrepancies.

Perhaps our Westnet reps could confirm or deny if they get an APQ (FTTH) file for the whole country or are they limited to the regions they operate in?

Westnet: Paul

The APQ file we get is for the whole country. We are only set up to provide services from certain exchanges, but we can get set up on new exchanges at short notice.

damienirel

Enet and siro don't have a chance of winning nbp the fine for eir is a slap on the wrist worrying about the lies printed in the Irish Times is pointless. We should be querying the people in charge - politicians like Naughten letting the people of Ireland down yet again.

tsue921i8wljb3

Westnet: Paul wrote: »

The APQ file we get is for the whole country. We are only set up to provide services from certain exchanges, but we can get set up on new exchanges at short notice.

Thanks Paul. Can you confirm or deny that you have received an APQ file with ~70000 premises that have FTTH available?

I understand if you cannot comment and I don't wish to get you or your company into any trouble.

Westnet: Paul

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Thanks Paul. Can you confirm or deny that you have received an APQ file with ~70000 premises that have FTTH available?

I understand if you cannot comment and I don't wish to get you or your company into any trouble.

I really can't, sorry. I'm pretty sure I'm under NDA as far as the contents of APQ files go.

tsue921i8wljb3

Westnet: Paul wrote: »

I really can't, sorry. I'm pretty sure I'm under NDA as far as the contents of APQ files go.

I fully understand.

I_HAVE_NO_NAME

damienirel wrote: »

Enet and siro don't have a chance of winning nbp the fine for eir is a slap on the wrist worrying about the lies printed in the Irish Times is pointless. We should be querying the people in charge - politicians like Naughten letting the people of Ireland down yet again.

Already have sent various emails to Naughten and local TD's in my area of the sly moves from OpenEir altering due-by dates and falsifying the number of premises passed thus letting us down as a nation yet again. All I have received from Naughten is the generic automatic reply for sending any email to a minister that it will be brought to his attention...

Naughten brought about this scheme and in an interview he said; ‘The agreement that I have signed with Eir means one house every minute, of every working day, will get fibre-to-the-door, high-speed broadband over the next 90 weeks’
Has a house a minute been done?:D

naughto

Westnet: Paul wrote: »

The APQ file we get is for the whole country. We are only set up to provide services from certain exchanges, but we can get set up on new exchanges at short notice.

How is the rool out going for ye in castlebar are virgin going to take some of your customers they moving at a very fast rate around the town

Westnet: Paul

naughto wrote: »

How is the rool out going for ye in castlebar are virgin going to take some of your customers they moving at a very fast rate around the town

They'll take some, sure. It's good for Castlebar people to have several choices, and when SIRO launch (not much longer now!) they will have a choice of eir resellers, SIRO resellers, and Virgin Media.

Virgin's offerings will suit some people better than ours; ours will suit others better than theirs. If the playing field is reasonably level, nobody needs to be afraid of competition.

We're rolling out eir FTTH and VDSL connections both in towns and (as they become available) in more rural areas at a fair pace already. We're looking forward to adding SIRO to the portfolio so we can offer customers even more choice.

tsue921i8wljb3

The front page of today's Irish Times is reporting more delays to the NBP with apparent confirmation that no connections will be made until Eir finish their 300K project. With the opposition parties now ganging up on Denis Naughten over his handling of the NBP there is no incentive for him to question Eir's claims of passed premises.

Jpmarn

Listening to the radio this morning, are they having problems purchasing fibre cables and splice boxes? Such procurement problems may be causing delays. It probably causing work in my exchange area to stall.

tsue921i8wljb3

Jpmarn wrote: »

Listening to the radio this morning, are they having problems purchasing fibre cables and splice boxes? Such procurement problems may be causing delays. It probably causing work in my exchange area to stall.

All the discussion this morning has been about the NBP delays. It is currently at procurement stage. As far as the media is concerned the Openeir rollout is on schedule. If it turns out not to be there may be another political crisis brewing.

Johnboy1951

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

The front page of today's Irish Times is reporting more delays to the NBP with apparent confirmation that no connections will be made until Eir finish their 300K project. With the opposition parties now ganging up on Denis Naughten over his handling of the NBP there is no incentive for him to question Eir's claims of passed premises.

Hardly delays that have not been apparent since the eir 300k deal was finalised.

eir could not possibly do the 300k and at the same time do any of the NBP ...... and they are the front runner for the contract/s.

Even if eir were not to get any NBP contract, it will be 2019 before either of the others could really get going, as the contracts will not be awarded before mid-2018 it seems.

damienirel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Hardly delays that have not been apparent since the eir 300k deal was finalised.

eir could not possibly do the 300k and at the same time do any of the NBP ...... and they are the front runner for the contract/s.

Even if eir were not to get any NBP contract, it will be 2019 before either of the others could really get going, as the contracts will not be awarded before mid-2018 it seems.

Problem is eir are only being fined 20 mill for late delivery of the 300k and no doubt their lawyers will have a get out of jail free card ready. Once they have the NBP in the bag then the shareholders get their pay day. It's a cosy little setup.

Johnboy1951

damienirel wrote: »

Problem is eir are only being fined 20 mill for late delivery of the 300k and no doubt their lawyers will have a get out of jail free card ready. Once they have the NBP in the bag then the shareholders get their pay day. It's a cosy little setup.

Was there confirmation of that 20 mil? I missed it if yes.

eir, from the very beginning have played 'a blinder'.
I have to admire their commercial strategy.
They should end up with all they could ever have hoped for, and probably more.

I do not blame eir in any way for doing the best they can from their commercial perspective.
I do blame whoever was on the other side of negotiations ..... our civil servants and possibly the politicians involved.
It is my understanding that, for the most part, the minister will take strong advice from his department. That puts the ball squarely in the civil servants' court.

In any case it is now a done deal.
eir have played a marvellous game and are set up for decades to come ..... unless we get a real surprise and Siro get both NBP contracts.

damienirel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Was there confirmation of that 20 mil? I missed it if yes.

eir, from the very beginning have played 'a blinder'.
I have to admire their commercial strategy.
They should end up with all they could ever have hoped for, and probably more.

I do not blame eir in any way for doing the best they can from their commercial perspective.
I do blame whoever was on the other side of negotiations ..... our civil servants and possibly the politicians involved.
It is my understanding that, for the most part, the minister will take strong advice from his department. That puts the ball squarely in the civil servants' court.

In any case it is now a done deal.
eir have played a marvellous game and are set up for decades to come ..... unless we get a real surprise and Siro get both NBP contracts.

Not confimed. But heard it from a reliable source. I agree they have played this very very well. But only at the Irish people's expense. Also agree the civil servants are clueless when it comes to infrastructure. Naughten has been their b1tch.

Jpmarn

The way it is at the moment it will be probably mid 2019 when Eir completes its 300k rollout.

damienirel

Jpmarn wrote: »

The way it is at the moment it will be probably mid 2019 when Eir completes its 300k rollout.

I would say mid 2020.

Gonzo

I'd say it will be mid to late 2019 before the rollout is finished and 2020 before work even begins on the NBP and late 2020 before the 1st NBP customer is even connected.

Turfwarrior

Crews spent 2 days in the area putting up fibre a week ago but left the last 500mtrs unwired,no splice boxes yet either. Local exchange due to go live today.
Can't understand why the crews don't finish an area and then move on,bad management of man power IMO

Blogin

Turfwarrior wrote: »

Crews spent 2 days in the area putting up fibre a week ago but left the last 500mtrs unwired,no splice boxes yet either. Local exchange due to go live today.
Can't understand why the crews don't finish an area and then move on,bad management of man power IMO

They did the exact same here in Pallasgreen. No fibre or splice boxes yet 10 weeks after exchange went live. I think this is pretty normal for them. The exchange fringes (probably the ones with the worst broadband) wait longest.

Someone else suggested it might be turning on an exchange one bit at a time to minimize problems.

Turfwarrior

Blogin wrote: »

They did the exact same here in Pallasgreen. No fibre or splice boxes yet 10 weeks after exchange went live. I think this is pretty normal for them. The exchange fringes (probably the ones with the worst broadband) wait longest.

Someone else suggested it might be turning on an exchange one bit at a time to minimize problems.

10 weeks and you still can't get connected!! That's like having a Porsche with a full tank sitting in the yard but they won't give you the keys to it!!

Blogin

Turfwarrior wrote: »

10 weeks and you still can't get connected!! That's like having a Porsche with a full tank sitting in the yard but they won't give you the keys to it!!

Yes, it is annoying - we were part of the first 100,000 houses (deadline march 2017 and still not met).

I guess it will be at least another month as there are no crews active in the area.

Johnboy1951

Turfwarrior wrote: »

Crews spent 2 days in the area putting up fibre a week ago but left the last 500mtrs unwired,no splice boxes yet either. Local exchange due to go live today.
Can't understand why the crews don't finish an area and then move on,bad management of man power IMO

you reckon, without much information, we have a better idea of how man-management is handled than eir do?

eir know well what they are doing, and will continue to do what they think is best for them.

To expect anything else is not reasonable.