english Llewellyn setter.

Hunter456

7 month old setter got her today off a friend, very promising dog.

arrowloopboy

had 2 of these in my day,if you can control them ,their the best setting dog bar none,savage engine in them.

Dawggone

Hunter456 wrote: »

7 month old setter got her today off a friend, very promising dog.

Was there a bird where pup was pointing?

Perazzi

Best of luck keep posting her progress

Hunter456

Dawggone wrote: »

Was there a bird where pup was pointing?

To be honest iv seen pheasants around that area so she might have being setting on a scent. Her previous owner had her setting on a wing and She was solid. progress and patience is key.

browning fusion

Was she bred in limerick fine looking dog

Hunter456

browning fusion wrote: »

Was she bred in limerick fine looking dog

As fare as I'm aware this dog was breed in limerick.

browning fusion

Hunter456 wrote: »

As fare as I'm aware this dog was breed in limerick.

It looks like a pup of my dog should be a cracker
Was she registered?

Dawggone

Hunter456 wrote: »

To be honest iv seen pheasants around that area so she might have being setting on a scent. Her previous owner had her setting on a wing and She was solid. progress and patience is key.

I could never understand the wing (sight) pointing malarkey.
English setters can often have too much setting in them...
I prefer setters that come late to pointing as they usually are cleaner. False setting is a hateful fault.

browning fusion

Dawggone wrote: »

I could never understand the wing (sight) pointing malarkey.
English setters can often have too much setting in them...
I prefer setters that come late to pointing as they usually are cleaner. False setting is a hateful fault.

There's pros and cons there is also nothing worse that a setting dog flushing everything out of range

Dawggone

browning fusion wrote: »

There's pros and cons there is also nothing worse that a setting dog flushing everything out of range

The flushing dog will usually come right but the false pointing usually gets worse.

The false setting problem is genetic...and can only be cured humanely!

browning fusion

Dawggone wrote: »

The flushing dog will usually come right but the false pointing usually gets worse.

The false setting problem is genetic...and can only be cured humanely!

Enough Birds shot over them usually does the trick

Dawggone

browning fusion wrote: »

Enough Birds shot over them usually does the trick

Exactly.
No cure for those false setting bags of shyte though.

browning fusion

Dawggone wrote: »

Exactly.
No cure for those false setting bags of shyte though.

It's usually the owners fault tho
Most faults are caused by that

Dawggone

browning fusion wrote: »

It's usually the owners fault tho
Most faults are caused by that

Genetic. Breed two false setting shyte and you're guaranteed to have a litter of shyte.
Totally agree that bad handling doesn't help.
However bad handling a 'free' dog will make them 'sticky', not false.

browning fusion

Dawggone wrote: »

Genetic. Breed two false setting shyte and you're guaranteed to have a litter of shyte.
Totally agree that bad handling doesn't help.
However bad handling a 'free' dog will make them 'sticky', not false.

Well if this dog is for the lines I think it is it probably one of the most well bred dogs in the country should no worries

Dawggone

browning fusion wrote: »

Well if this dog is for the lines I think it is it probably one of the most well bred dogs in the country should no worries

G'wan and tell. I'm very interested in the breed!

browning fusion

Dawggone wrote: »

G'wan and tell. I'm very interested in the breed!

I'll bang up after the football

Hunter456

The sight of a wing is to train the dog to set and when the setter goes into the field he might flush a pheasant or two out of range at first and then after alot of outings the dog gets the point of being out and something clicks in their head '' i know this scent i will sneak up on this and eh presto we have a successful point and a flush to follow'' to add the setter in those pictures were not setting a wing it was setting a scent and to be honest i had no clue what it was, today i brought her out to the same place she scented and slightly set a pheasant i would have never have known the bird was even there she was acting funny so i automatically knew a pheasant was around.

Hunter456

browning fusion wrote: »

It looks like a pup of my dog should be a cracker
Was she registered?

no she wasn't registered i will be though.

Dawggone

Hunter456 wrote: »

The sight of a wing is to train the dog to set and when the setter goes into the field he might flush a pheasant or two out of range at first and then after alot of outings the dog gets the point of being out and something clicks in their head '' i know this scent i will sneak up on this and eh presto we have a successful point and a flush to follow.

IMO a pup that sight points a wing (or a piece of paper or whatever) is showing no insight whatsoever as to what kind of dog it will turn out to be...you certainly don't have to train an english setter to set, decades of breeding have done that.

Hunter456

Dawggone wrote: »

IMO a pup that sight points a wing (or a piece of paper or whatever) is showing no insight whatsoever as to what kind of dog it will turn out to be...you certainly don't have to train an english setter to set, decades of breeding have done that.

i get where your coming from, iv only had this dog 3 days i have only done abit with her and her progress in that time frame has amazed me.

Dawggone

Hunter456 wrote: »

i get where your coming from, iv only had this dog 3 days i have only done abit with her and her progress in that time frame has amazed me.

Enjoy. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of game.

Hunter456

Dawggone wrote: »

Enjoy. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of game.

i'll let her be a pup and train her away and the minute a solid set is accomplished happy days.

browning fusion

browning fusion wrote: »

I'll bang up after the football

I'll be staying in the pub longer that I taught but a few of the top my head going back 5 generations on the sire side
storeskars gsnore
Blue maestro
The Queen
capparo something can't remember of the top of my head
A good few lafantas in the breed
Il be actually getting his papers back next Sunday I can give ya the hole lot from sire and dam on both sides there's 2 UK field trial champions 11 or 12 irish champions
His greatgrandfather was a top field trail dog in Norway

Dawggone

browning fusion wrote: »

I'll be staying in the pub longer that I taught but a few of the top my head going back 5 generations on the sire side
storeskars gsnore
Blue maestro
The Queen
capparo something can't remember of the top of my head
A good few lafantas in the breed
Il be actually getting his papers back next Sunday I can give ya the hole lot from sire and dam on both sides there's 2 UK field trial champions 11 or 12 irish champions
His greatgrandfather was a top field trail dog in Norway

Thanks. I'd be very au fait with those lines. Please post when you can.

browning fusion

Dawggone wrote: »

Thanks. I'd be very au fait with those lines. Please post when you can.

Will do
capparo tork was the one I couldn't think of
Goldshield breeze
New edition
Tyrone banner
I'll have the hole lot next Sunday but the breeding is savage if she the same litter that is ðŸ˜႒

Tommyaya4

Dawggone wrote: »

IMO a pup that sight points a wing (or a piece of paper or whatever) is showing no insight whatsoever as to what kind of dog it will turn out to be...you certainly don't have to train an english setter to set, decades of breeding have done that.

Well said lad any one thinks they are
teaching a setter of any breed to set is fooling themselves. It either clicks with them and comes natural

browning fusion

Tommyaya4 wrote: »

Well said lad any one thinks they are
teaching a setter of any breed to set is fooling themselves. It either clicks with them and comes natural

It more to encourage the setting instinct rather that teaching a dog to set
opinions vary on it but can't see it doing any harm either way
it won't make a good dog bad or a bad dog good but it's a good sign to get the dog setting at a young age
after that it's either in the dog or it ant to make a good gundog

springer man

I have an older brother to this pup from a previous litter. PM me and we can give them a run together

ecr

Anyone interested in setter pups serious bloodlines probably the best in the country

SureHowBad

ecr wrote: »

Anyone interested in setter pups serious bloodlines probably the best in the country

What way are they bred?

Hunter456

ecr wrote: »

Anyone interested in setter pups serious bloodlines probably the best in the country

hi-jacking threads much

ESB Spaniel

Tommyaya4 wrote: »

Well said lad any one thinks they are
teaching a setter of any breed to set is fooling themselves. It either clicks with them and comes natural

I think its more about steadying a pup more then teaching it to set, a setter as was said already should naturally set, but this method is helping steadiness while making a game out of it while they are pups. "You move the wing moves".....eventually after a couple of weeks maybe once a week for a few minutes you will have a much steadier set. I know a couple of lads, older generation also that have pointers and setters that are top rough shooting dogs that used this method when young. How many setters have been moved on over a steadyiness issue, maybe this "game" could condition a setter pup better. Again everyone has their own method some have the same as long as the end product is the same. We are all learning till we hit that grave lads.

Dawggone

ESB Spaniel wrote: »

I think its more about steadying a pup more then teaching it to set, a setter as was said already should naturally set, but this method is helping steadiness while making a game out of it while they are pups. "You move the wing moves".....eventually after a couple of weeks maybe once a week for a few minutes you will have a much steadier set. I know a couple of lads, older generation also that have pointers and setters that are top rough shooting dogs that used this method when young. How many setters have been moved on over a steadyiness issue, maybe this "game" could condition a setter pup better. Again everyone has their own method some have the same as long as the end product is the same. We are all learning till we hit that grave lads.

Pure poppycock!
Training a pup to be "steady" or "rock solid" is dangerous as can lead to other much more serious problems.
A setter must learn on WILD game by themselves.
I will venture that much more dogs are moved on because of false setting or stickiness.

I would strongly suggest leave the pointing/setting to the dogs genetics and don't be interfering. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of wild game and pup will figure it out for themselves.

Hunter456

Dawggone wrote: »

Pure poppycock!
Training a pup to be "steady" or "rock solid" is dangerous as can lead to other much more serious problems.
A setter must learn on WILD game by themselves.
I will venture that much more dogs are moved on because of false setting or stickiness.

I would strongly suggest leave the pointing/setting to the dogs genetics and don't be interfering. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of wild game and pup will figure it out for themselves.

Not going to argue cause it isn't worth it but I think every has their own way of doing stuff.

ESB Spaniel

Dawggone wrote: »

Pure poppycock!
Training a pup to be "steady" or "rock solid" is dangerous as can lead to other much more serious problems.
A setter must learn on WILD game by themselves.
I will venture that much more dogs are moved on because of false setting or stickiness.

I would strongly suggest leave the pointing/setting to the dogs genetics and don't be interfering. Plenty free running with a sprinkle of wild game and pup will figure it out for themselves.

And not training them to be a bit to be steadier could lead to other serious problems.....bumping game. It has its pros and cons like everything has, you hardly think you train the pup just on the wing and nothing else. 3 times for a few minutes over 3 weeks I said not every minute of the day...

I agree it can make them a bit sticky, but I would rather that any day as to rushing in putting up birds everywhere. I would expect genetics to come through with or without the wing.

Dawggone

ESB Spaniel wrote: »

I agree it can make them a bit sticky,

Exactly.
Stickiness is probably the most hateful fault in a dog. It's up there with false setting.

English setters have a bad enough name for those two faults already. Still every cripple has his own way of walking!

irish setter

Dawggone is 100% right. A pup should be let bump and chase birds till it's wild on them. Steading can be done later. After bumping so many birds the dog will click and begin to stalk. When he's ready encourage the stalk. The wing on a line only shows how a pup learns to point naturally and is of no benefit but if lads overdo it it can cause problems. I hate to see a pup pointing at an early age and will take them away from game if this happens. For the hard running dog that's slow to point and when it's done enough chasing as soon as it flushes drop it. Enough of this and it will soon learn. These are usually the much cleaner dogs around game. A dog being moved on for not being steady is the handlers fault and it's usually a good dog not being recognised

Dawggone

irish setter wrote: »

Dawggone is 100% right. A pup should be let bump and chase birds till it's wild on them. Steading can be done later. After bumping so many birds the dog will click and begin to stalk. When he's ready encourage the stalk. The wing on a line only shows how a pup learns to point naturally and is of no benefit but if lads overdo it it can cause problems. I hate to see a pup pointing at an early age and will take them away from game if this happens. For the hard running dog that's slow to point and when it's done enough chasing as soon as it flushes drop it. Enough of this and it will soon learn. These are usually the much cleaner dogs around game. A dog being moved on for not being steady is the handlers fault and it's usually a good dog not being recognised

+1. You know dogs Irish Setter!

I would add that hard running setters with not much point in them is (was) more of a red setter issue. English setters are more birdy. Saying that, red setters have become birdier of late...



Anyone with hard going English setter that's slow to point, I'll take them...

browning fusion

Dawggone wrote: »

+1. You know dogs Irish Setter!

I would add that hard running setters with not much point in them is (was) more of a red setter issue. English setters are more birdy. Saying that, red setters have become birdier of late...



Anyone with hard going English setter that's slow to point, I'll take them...

No sortage of them on done deal

Dawggone

browning fusion wrote: »

No sortage of them on done deal

ecr

SureHowBad wrote: »

What way are they bred?

Mother of the pups her father is blackstairs geronimo setter of the 2015 I bought the bitch off kieran Walsh
Father of the pups ballysloe edition bred by jimmy o keefe

blackpearl

the father is the best that is around for trowing top class dogs at the moment.

ESB Spaniel

Dawggone wrote: »

+1. You know dogs Irish Setter!

I would add that hard running setters with not much point in them is (was) more of a red setter issue. English setters are more birdy. Saying that, red setters have become birdier of late...



Anyone with hard going English setter that's slow to point, I'll take them...

I don't know dogs at all so is that what your hinting, too many people on this website like yourself, id put my older setter up against any setter by the way. <mod snip>

Do not direct comments at specific individuals in this manner again.

Hunter456

ESB Spaniel wrote: »

I don't know dogs at all so is that what your hinting, too many people on this website like yourself, id put my older setter up against any setter by the way. <mod snip>

Well said ESB Spaniel lads on here think they know it all. I posted a picture of my setter and said she was setting on a wing she was showed a wing once or twice and this is what has become of the thread makes me question what kind of individuals these lot are hi jacking threads and taking rubbish I'd love to see their dogs going.

Dawggone

ESB Spaniel wrote: »

I don't know dogs at all so is that what your hinting, too many people on this website like yourself, id put my older setter up against any setter by the way. <mod snip>

ROFLMFAO.

Tommyaya4

Dawggone wrote: »

ROFLMFAO.

Every discussion on here about dogs ends in an argument no one will ever agree 100% that's they way it is with men and there dogs my way or my one is better then the next but is a bit of crack

Hunter456

Tommyaya4 wrote: »

Every discussion on here about dogs ends in an argument no one will ever agree 100% that's they way it is with men and there dogs my way or my one is better then the next but is a bit of crack

It's a joke the amount of snobbery that goes on within the shooting community.

ESB Spaniel

Hunter456 wrote: »

It's a joke the amount of snobbery that goes on within the shooting community.

Its that lads that know it at all don't agree with any other ways. Not once did i disagree with his way did I?

ESB Spaniel

Dawggone wrote: »

ROFLMFAO.

Where are ye on this one MODS?????