Irish Players outside the Provinces 15/16

Hagz

AVIVA PREMIERSHIP

Name|Position|Club

Tom Court|Prop|London Irish
Paddy McAllister|Prop|Gloucester
Niall Annett|Hooker|Worcester Warriors
Donncha O'Callaghan|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Darren O'Shea|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Jerry Sexton|Lock|Exeter Chiefs
Eoin Sheriff|Lock|London Irish
Conor Gilsenan|Flanker|London Irish
Peter Stringer|Scrum-Half|Sale Sharks
Gareth Steenson|Fly-Half|Exeter Chiefs
JJ Hanrahan|Fly-Half |Northampton Saints
Ian Whitten|Centre | Exeter Chiefs
Eoin Griffin|Centre|London Irish
James Downey|Centre|Wasps
Brendan Macken|Centre|Wasps
Niall Morris|Fullback|Leicester Tigers

TOP 14

Name|Position|Club

Dave Ryan|Prop|Agen
Denis Coulson|Prop|Grenoble
Paul O'Connell|Lock|Toulon
Paddy Butler|Back row|Pau
James Coughlan|Back row|Pau
Sean Dougall|Back row|Pau
James Hart|Scrum-half|Grenoble
Chris Farrell|Centre|Grenoble
Eamonn Sheridan|Centre|Oyonnax

PRO 12
Name|Position|Club

John Andress|Prop|Edinburgh
Michael Allen|Centre|Edinburgh

SUPER RUGBY

Name|Position|Club

Ed O'Donoghue|Lock|Queensland Reds

RFU CHAMPIONSHIP

Name|Position|Club

Jack O'Connell|Prop|Bristol
Sean McCarthy|Prop|Jersey
Conor Carey|Prop|Nottingham
Tyrone Moran|Hooker|London Scottish
Mark Flanagan|Lock|Bedford Blues
Charlie Butterworth|Flanker|Jersey
Ali Birch|Flanker|Rotherham
Will Ryan|Back row|Rotherham
Michael Noone|Number 8|Jersey
Michael Heaney|Scrum-half|Doncaster
Declan Cusack|Fly-half|Doncaster
James McKinney|Fly-Half|Rotherham
Danny Barnes|Centre|Ealing
Darren Hudson|Wing|Bristol
Mark McCrea|Wing|Jersey
Ross Adair|Wing|Jersey
Michael Keating|Wing|Rotherham
Sam Coghlan Murray|Wing|Nottingham
Sean Scanlon|Fullback|Rotherham
David McIlwaine|Fullback|Yorkshire Carnegie
Peter Lydon|Fullback|London Scottish
Ricky Andrew|Fullback|Nottingham

Lovely tables.

irishbucsfan

Where's Ryan Caldwell?

EDIT: also seems Michael Noone is missing, he's at Jersey

Podge_irl

Someone was bored in work.

Hagz

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Where's Ryan Caldwell?

EDIT: also seems Michael Noone is missing, he's at Jersey

It says on his twitter profile that he's playing for Exeter but he's not on their site and he's not listed on in the current squad on wikipedia.

@mods

Dave Ryan at Agen still gives me the giggles.

Also, @mods, any thought to locking this one up in a bit and starting a fresh one with Hagz's lovely tables in the OP as a 'season tracker' type of thread?

Once we're happy we've got a full and comprehensive set of lovely tables that is.

Anyone from this post gone walkabouts?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93564134&postcount=37

irishbucsfan

Hagz wrote: »

It says on his twitter profile that he's playing for Exeter but he's not on their site and he's not listed on in the current squad on wikipedia.

Yeah, I was more wondering where he is, is he playing anywhere does anyone know?

postitnote

John Andress at Edinburgh

Zzippy

Emmet pictured this afternoon...









:pac:

awec

New thread created for this season.

The Lost Sheep

There is also quite a few irish playing the third tier of English rugby.
Alex o Meara, an exile is with Hartpury College who have connections with Gloucester
Cronan Gleeson, from Nenagh and a former Irish Youth, Munster 19s/20s is playing with Bury St Edmunds
Declan Cusack, Eoghan Grace are with Plymouth who were relegated from the championship at the end of last season

Probably is a few more...

oneofakind32

Looking at this list, would people agree that Ireland has the players and talent to supports a 5th professional outfit? Even though it's just not commercially viable right now.

Hagz

James Sandford has retired.
Eoghan Grace and Declan Cusack are playing for Plymouth Albion in the National League One.
Tom Sexton is playing for the NSW Country Eagles in the NRC.

connachta

Hagz wrote: »

AVIVA PREMIERSHIP

Name|Position|Club

Tom Court|Prop|London Irish
Paddy McAllister|Prop|Gloucester
Niall Annett|Hooker|Worcester Warriors
Donncha O'Callaghan|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Darren O'Shea|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Jerry Sexton|Lock|Exeter Chiefs
Eoin Sheriff|Lock|London Irish
Conor Gilsenan|Flanker|London Irish
Peter Stringer|Scrum-Half|Sale Sharks
Gareth Steenson|Fly-Half|Exeter Chiefs
JJ Hanrahan|Fly-Half |Northampton Saints
Ian Whitten|Centre | Exeter Chiefs
Eoin Griffin|Centre|London Irish
James Downey|Centre|Wasps
Brendan Macken|Centre|Wasps
Niall Morris|Fullback|Leicester Tigers
TOP 14

Name|Position|Club

Dave Ryan|Prop|Agen
Denis Coulson|Prop|Grenoble
Paul O'Connell|Lock|Toulon
Paddy Butler|Back row|Pau
James Coughlan|Back row|Pau
Sean Dougall|Back row|Pau
James Hart|Scrum-half|Grenoble
Chris Farrell|Centre|Grenoble
Eamonn Sheridan|Centre|Oyonnax

PRO 12
Name|Position|Club

John Andress|Prop|Edinburgh
Michael Allen|Centre|Edinburgh

SUPER RUGBY

Name|Position|Club

Ed O'Donoghue|Lock|Queensland Reds

RFU CHAMPIONSHIP

Name|Position|Club

Jack O'Connell|Prop|Bristol
Sean McCarthy|Prop|Jersey
Conor Carey|Prop|Nottingham
Tyrone Moran|Hooker|London Scottish
Mark Flanagan|Lock|Bedford Blues
Charlie Butterworth|Flanker|Jersey
Ali Birch|Flanker|Rotherham
Will Ryan|Back row|Rotherham
Michael Noone|Number 8|Jersey
Michael Heaney|Scrum-half|Doncaster
Declan Cusack|Fly-half|Doncaster
James McKinney|Fly-Half|Rotherham
Danny Barnes|Centre|Ealing
Darren Hudson|Wing|Bristol
Mark McCrea|Wing|Jersey
Ross Adair|Wing|Jersey
Michael Keating|Wing|Rotherham
Sam Coghlan Murray|Wing|Nottingham
Sean Scanlon|Fullback|Rotherham
David McIlwaine|Fullback|Yorkshire Carnegie
Peter Lydon|Fullback|London Scottish
Ricky Andrew|Fullback|Nottingham

Prod2 (to add in the front post)

Conor Gaston (Wing, Aurillac)
Denis Fogarty (Hooker, Parc, Aix-en-Provence)
Dylan Donnellan (hooker, Biarritz)
Dave Nolan (lock, Bourgoin)
in theory, Luke O'Dea, (Wing, Lille, but promotion refused to the club)

total former

oneofakind32 wrote: »

Looking at this list, would people agree that Ireland has the players and talent to supports a 5th professional outfit? Even though it's just not commercially viable right now.

I don't think so tbh. Most of these guys aren't up to Pro12 standard.

awec

The only interesting thing for me is how few Irish players stay in the pro12 when they leave a province.

total former

Also Ian McKinley is playing for Viadana

connachta

total former wrote: »

I don't think so tbh. Most of these guys aren't up to Pro12 standard.

Oh, really, because I've fun to pick the best 23 IMO, and that's a hell of a team, better than the Wofhounds in the past few years

John Andress|Prop|Edinburgh
Niall Annett|Hooker|Worcester Warriors
Paddy McAllister|Prop|Gloucester
Darren O'Shea|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Eoin Sheriff|Lock|London Irish
Conor Gilsenan|Flanker|London Irish
Paddy Butler|Back row|Pau
James Coughlan|Back row|Pau
James Hart|Scrum-half|Grenoble
Gareth Steenson|Fly-Half|Exeter Chiefs
Michael Allen|Wing|Edinburgh
Brendan Macken|Centre|Wasps
James Downey|Centre|Wasps
Ian Whitten|Wing| Exeter Chiefs
Niall Morris|Fullback|Leicester Tigers

subs

Dave Ryan|Prop|Agen
Denis Fogarty Hooker Provence Rugby
Denis Coulson|Prop|Grenoble OR
Tom Court (London Irish)
Ed O'Donoghue|Lock|Queensland Reds
Sean Dougall|Back row|Pau
Peter Stringer|Scrum-Half|Sale Sharks
JJ Hanrahan|Fly-Half |Northampton Saints
Chris Farrell Grenoble, OR Sheridan (Oyo), OR Griffin (London Irish) OR Darren Hudson|Bristol

total former

That team would be annihilated by the Wolfhounds.

connachta

total former wrote: »

That team would be annihilated by the Wolfhounds.

Haha, don't think so at all. They are all top quality players (except maybe Ryan on the bench)

connachta

By the Way, where's Fergus Mulchrone IQ centre from london Irish? Don't see him in your table

Hagz

connachta wrote: »

By the Way, where's Fergus Mulchrone IQ centre from london Irish? Don't see him in your table

Mulchrone is currently injured long term afaik. I was a bit selective I'll admit. I left out the likes of Eoghan Grace because they play in 3rd tier and I didn't wan't to make a 3rd tier table. I left out the likes of Michael Cromie of Rotherham because who the hell is Michael Cromie? And then the likes of George McGuigan and Fergus Mulchrone because I wasn't sure if they would even consider themselves Irish. In saying that, I've just read an article where Mulchrone expressed interest in playing for Ireland.

connachta

Hagz wrote: »

Mulchrone is currently injured long term afaik. I was a bit selective I'll admit. I left out the likes of Eoghan Grace because they play in 3rd tier and I didn't wan't to make a 3rd tier table. I left out the likes of Michael Cromie of Rotherham because who the hell is Michael Cromie? And then the likes of George McGuigan and Fergus Mulchrone because I wasn't sure if they would even consider themselves Irish. In saying that, I've just read an article where Mulchrone expressed interest in playing for Ireland.

Yeah McGuigan is a solid prospect too

And would you add the few Prod2 names i've written on page 1, please?

pickarooney

Alan Cotter is also at Provence Rugby (formerly PARC ) alongside Fogarty.

Buer

connachta wrote: »

Haha, don't think so at all. They are all top quality players (except maybe Ryan on the bench)

Are you on crack? None of them are top quality. Some of them would be playing above themselves by making the bench at those sides. All of them are playing abroad because they couldn't get a run at the provinces....ahead of the guys who are in the Wolfhounds team.

The Wolfhounds aren't made up of AIL players. They're guys who are on the fringe of the Irish side and most have caps already.

irishbucsfan

Maybe by Wolfhounds he meant the Irish Club team?

connachta

No, Wolfhounds, but I conceed the last team which lost against Saxons in Cork was a great team on the paper. I just put together Wolfhounds and Emerging, and was wrong. But still, the 23 "Irish abroad" I picked can beat emerging Ireland. That's what I meant, sorry

rrpc

connachta wrote: »

Oh, really, because I've fun to pick the best 23 IMO, and that's a hell of a team, better than the Wofhounds in the past few years

John Andress|Prop|Edinburgh
Niall Annett|Hooker|Worcester Warriors
Paddy McAllister|Prop|Gloucester
Darren O'Shea|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Eoin Sheriff|Lock|London Irish...

You had all the ingredients for a table there but just forgot to add the TABLE and /TABLE tags in square brackets at the beginning and end.

Like this:

||
John Andress|Prop|Edinburgh
Niall Annett|Hooker|Worcester Warriors
Paddy McAllister|Prop|Gloucester
Darren O'Shea|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Eoin Sheriff|Lock|London Irish

bilston

connachta wrote: »

Oh, really, because I've fun to pick the best 23 IMO, and that's a hell of a team, better than the Wofhounds in the past few years

John Andress|Prop|Edinburgh
Niall Annett|Hooker|Worcester Warriors
Paddy McAllister|Prop|Gloucester
Darren O'Shea|Lock|Worcester Warriors
Eoin Sheriff|Lock|London Irish
Conor Gilsenan|Flanker|London Irish
Paddy Butler|Back row|Pau
James Coughlan|Back row|Pau
James Hart|Scrum-half|Grenoble
Gareth Steenson|Fly-Half|Exeter Chiefs
Michael Allen|Wing|Edinburgh
Brendan Macken|Centre|Wasps
James Downey|Centre|Wasps
Ian Whitten|Wing| Exeter Chiefs
Niall Morris|Fullback|Leicester Tigers

subs

Dave Ryan|Prop|Agen
Denis Fogarty Hooker Provence Rugby
Denis Coulson|Prop|Grenoble OR
Tom Court (London Irish)
Ed O'Donoghue|Lock|Queensland Reds
Sean Dougall|Back row|Pau
Peter Stringer|Scrum-Half|Sale Sharks
JJ Hanrahan|Fly-Half |Northampton Saints
Chris Farrell Grenoble, OR Sheridan (Oyo), OR Griffin (London Irish) OR Darren Hudson|Bristol

I'd say that bloke O'Connell from Toulon might get a game in the second row.

irishbucsfan

Not a chance that team would beat the Emerging Ireland we sent abroad this year as far as I'm concerned. The Emerging Ireland team is better in most positions. Team in the final was:

Tiernan O'Halloran (Buccaneers/Connacht)
Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster)
Stuart McCloskey (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
Noel Reid (Clontarf/Leinster)
Matt Healy (Lansdowne/Connacht)
JJ Hanrahan (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster)

James Cronin (Dolphin/Munster)
Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
Stephen Archer (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Ben Marshall (Old Belvedere/Connacht)
Billy Holland (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Eoghan Masterson (Corinthians/Connacht)
Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster)
Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster)

That Emerging Ireland team is better in almost every position (maybe Niall Morris or Gareth Steenson would make the EI team)

English Lurker

awec wrote: »

The only interesting thing for me is how few Irish players stay in the pro12 when they leave a province.

Do you think that's more a reflection of most Pro 12 teams being driven to have a low number of foreigners, or there being more money outside the Pro 12?



Also, comparing the Emerging Ireland side with a possible Exiles side, and you can see a few cases where the guy in the EI side is the guy who forced the other guy to look elsewhere for gametime.