BA fire in Las Vegas

Strumms

If im sat on an aircraft that suddenly aborts takeoff and subsequently an order is given to evacuate, while in all likleyhood also pax on that side will be noticing and brining peoples attention to the fact that the aircraft is actually on fire im out of there like a hot snot. To think that people would stand up.. block the egress of others by taking down wheelie bags the are basicially the most idiotic selfish pricks going... and they would be physicially moved in the most physical of manners. Im not sure i agree with the muscle memory argument... the plane is on the runway.. its on fire... no fault of the cabin crew they cant confiscate bags etc as people get off... just shows the modern aspect of the all about me culture that exists these days in life... ok you can all burn but as long as i have my case complete with tat i bought in vegas...

ProfessorPlum

elastico wrote: »

I am not sure it could, at a wind speed equivalent to ~500mph I doubt it would ever get started, ever try lighting a BBQ in a gale?

There'd be a couple of holes in that theory....

Locker10a

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is too much being made of this?

Personally I always have my carry on luggage under the seat in front or at my feet, though of course I usually have a bag rather than a travel case. But if I was to evacuate, of course I'm going to take the millisecond to grab the bag as I stand up. Even if it was in the locker above we are still talking milliseconds for me to grab it and run.

If somebody was fumbling around trying to actually locate the bag and getting in the way thats a different matter, but how many of those people pictured simply grabbed a bag that was right there?

You are prioritising materials over lives! luggage of any sort causes a hinderance to evacuations, this situation could have been a lot worse. In previous accidents similar to this passengers have DIED because of SECONDS lost in evacuating.
A plane thats on FIRE is no longer a plane, it is a FUEL TANK with flames coming out of it, full of people, you get the F*CK OUT! NO BAGS

bucketybuck

Locker10a wrote: »

You are prioritising materials over lives! luggage of any sort causes a hinderance to evacuations, this situation could have been a lot worse. In previous accidents similar to this passengers have DIED because of SECONDS lost in evacuating.
A plane thats on FIRE is no longer a plane, it is a FUEL TANK with flames coming out of it, full of people, you get the F*CK OUT! NO BAGS

Stop shouting, are you currently in danger or something?

Locker10a

bucketybuck wrote: »

Stop shouting, are you currently in danger or something?

Yes...... Of Ignorance overload

bucketybuck

Locker10a wrote: »

Yes...... Of Ignorance overload

I would suggest some perspective would help.

The J Stands for Jay

Nichard Dixon wrote: »

Is there a case for electronic locking of luggage storage on planes, both for emergencies and plonkers getting up while taxiing etc?

Make it a criminal offence to bring it down a slide.

PinOnTheRight

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is too much being made of this?

Personally I always have my carry on luggage under the seat in front or at my feet, though of course I usually have a bag rather than a travel case. But if I was to evacuate, of course I'm going to take the millisecond to grab the bag as I stand up. Even if it was in the locker above we are still talking milliseconds for me to grab it and run.

If somebody was fumbling around trying to actually locate the bag and getting in the way thats a different matter, but how many of those people pictured simply grabbed a bag that was right there?

You're instructed to leave it behind for a reason. As you seem happy to disregard this instruction from the crew, which others are you going to ignore too? I'm not quite sure what special exemption you have but please enlighten us?

Locker10a

bucketybuck wrote: »

I would suggest some perspective would help.

Ok, thanks very much for the advice you seem to be a very informed individual :pac:

duskyjoe

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is too much being made of this?

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No and a big no. Free gratis re hand luggage in an evacuation is inviting an exit to become unusable with everyone bringing their bags..... Think about it. All I know if some clot is trying to get his luggage off an aircraft in an evacuation and I'm behind him or her and in defence of rmy life , crew and my family they will become my door mat(s). I don't know if people realise the gravity of the fire on that 777 and how close it was going to go boom and then people try an appease the situation of bringing their hand luggage with them. Grow up adults and see the big picture

Dardania

duskyjoe wrote: »

bucketybuck wrote: »

Is too much being made of this?

/quote]

No and a big no. Free gratis re hand luggage in an evacuation is inviting an exit to become unusable with everyone bringing their bags..... Think about it. All I know if some clot is trying to get his luggage off an aircraft in an evacuation and I'm behind him or her and in defence of rmy life , crew and my family they will become my door mat(s). I don't know if people realise the gravity of the fire on that 777 and how close it was going to go boom and then people try an appease the situation of bringing their hand luggage with them. Grow up adults and see the big picture

It'll take some clear examples of people dying as a result of passengers ahead taking bags before the culture changes...

Sterling Archer

Just look at this guy in the background.. two bags FFS... and it's not even that you can slow the evacuation, or clog up the door, or even rip and damge the emergency slide, but try running like that

Locker10a

Dardania wrote: »

duskyjoe wrote: »

It'll take some clear examples of people dying as a result of passengers ahead taking bags before the culture changes...

And unfortunately it will take the same for regulations to change re:Hand luggage and overhead lockers.

lintdrummer

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

Jeez that looks like one seriously close call. Where is the fuel tank on a plane? i thought it was under the wings - where that big hole is? scary

Fuel tanks are part of the structure of the wings themselves, ie. the wings are full of fuel. There is also a centre tank in the belly between the wings and in some cases a small trim tank in the tail.
Under the wings where that big hole is: That's the engines.

Dardania

BA should ban any passengers found to have taken their hand luggage down the slides from flying with them in future - safety is a collaborative endevaour

faceman

flanzer wrote: »

Relax, you're more likely to be killed in the car on your way to the airport

...by a plane hurtling into the motorway with its engines on fire...

duskyjoe

Dardania wrote: »

BA should ban any passengers found to have taken their hand luggage down the slides from flying with them in future - safety is a collaborative endevaour

Totally agree . It's very interesting to see the posters attitudes here and their inference that they'll be bringing their stuff with them. I have seen first hand a Ccm break her leg re Shute training. Emergency shutes are for people to get off a plane in a catastrophic situation and are certified to do so by the regulatory authorities minus baggage.

PinOnTheRight

duskyjoe wrote: »

Totally agree . It's very interesting to see the posters attitudes here and their inference that they'll be bringing their stuff with them. I have seen first hand a Ccm break her leg re Shute training. Emergency shutes are for people to get off a plane in a catastrophic situation and are certified to do so by the regulatory authorities minus baggage.

Unfortunately it seems endemic of today's generation with the attitude ''I know better'' and ''those rules don't apply to me.'' It's a sad case of affairs though that their own self-righteousness is likely to result in harm to others before themselves, but on the upside at least they'll have their hand luggage with them when they sell their story to the papers.:rolleyes:

Locker10a

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

Unfortunately it seems endemic of today's generation with the attitude ''I know better'' and ''those rules don't apply to me.'' It's a sad case of affairs though that their own self-righteousness is likely to result in harm to others before themselves, but on the upside at least they'll have their hand luggage with them when they sell their story to the papers.:rolleyes:

Aw well, I know I'll survive in a situation like this and i know exactly how ill respond to anyone delaying my exit :pac:

H3llR4iser

Fact: most people ignore the concept of flashover and how it can transform a small fire in a blazing inferno in the space of a few seconds. I did too, until I had fire warden training; When you are shown how a small match can start a chain reaction that has the very walls of an house on fire in less than a minute, your perspective changes quite a bit.

In that situation - big plane, fire that from the inside was not completely visible and probably looked small - most people probably thought the situation was under control and took bags and the likes. I am no cabin crew but I guess they couldn't do much about it, at least not in a way that wouldn't have unnecessarily slowed down evacuation even further.

One thing that I would like to see revised is the habit people got into about bringing humongous wheeled trolleys as carry-on. Most of the times, you see them actually struggling to lift them up to the overhead bins, fighting with it to make it fit and so on. I seem to remember a time, no more than 10 years ago, when most people just brought handbags and laptop cases on board, the rest went in the hold.

You can't realistically make everyone comply perfectly in an emergency situation, but carrying a small item is certainly preferable to people hugging hard-sided trolleys down the chute...

bucketybuck

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

their own self-righteousness

How ironic.

mickdw

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Think I'll stick to Virgin Atlantic next time I go home :eek:

They have had their issues on the vegas route too, not least the wing landing gear failure.

Tabnabs

Looks like the crew were the only ones not to bring their handluggage off the flight!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ad_1441780202

Tenger

Hope we have all gotten the issues of hand luggage during an evacuation out of our system. All agree that it should't be done, aviation training says that it will happen anyway.
Lets try to discuss the incident itself rather than our possible personal actions towards our luggage in a theoretical evacuation

Long Time Lurker

Uncontained engine failures are few and far between that's for sure. A real rarity this morning.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=ACEU

Dardania

Long Time Lurker wrote: »

Uncontained engine failures are few and far between that's for sure. A real rarity this morning.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=ACEU

Great link.

It's quite weird to see the fan in the images looking fine, and the damage around the casing. It'll all come out in the wash how it occurred, but still odd...

fear le solas

Initial reports say it was an engine fire although it looks more like the aircon system from the photo..I wonder if it's related to previous fires on different Boeing aircraft where the aircon overheated and this heat affected empty fuel tanks (full of vapour) causing an explosion?
The 777 has been unlucky when it comes to fires, especially the battery fault they had problems with.
Glad everyone was ok in the end.

irishgeo

luckily it didn't happen past the point of no return like the air france concorde. the crew spotted the fire but didnt have enough runway left to stop in time.

cowboyBuilder

fear le solas wrote: »

Initial reports say it was an engine fire although it looks more like the aircon system from the photo..I wonder if it's related to previous fires on different Boeing aircraft where the aircon overheated and this heat affected empty fuel tanks (full of vapour) causing an explosion?
The 777 has been unlucky when it comes to fires, especially the battery fault they had problems with.
Glad everyone was ok in the end.

Wasn't that what happened with the 747 TWA from JFK back in 1996 ?

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Yeah looks to me like a fire in the air con packs rather than the engine. Lucky with a centre tank full of fuel!