Are Irish People ready to pay for Refugees?

chenwc

Irish people refuse to pay for water charge, but are they willing to pay for refugees?

316

And who will pay for the refugees water?

thedumbone

316 wrote: »

And who will pay for the refugees water?

of course we will !

The Masculinist

Are we ready to pay for the clean up at their accommodation?

Pictures from a Hungarian bus used to transport immigrants to the Austrian border. The drive only takes 1hr 40mins.

Ash.J.Williams

chenwc wrote: »

Irish people refuse to pay for water charge, but are they willing to pay for refugees?

Refugees are more important than bank debt.

c montgomery

Im not personally, if we are to take them in the money should be taken from the foreign aid budget.

I'm getting pretty sick of all the charity bosses and lobbie groups declaring that's were not doing enough while their all on high saleries and in my opinion are only trying to strengthen their respective organisations and position.

Boskowski

As usual I'd say, some are and some aren't.
Would be interesting to see whether the two groups are largely overlapping. Would be interesting to see also whether the demographic group that - let's say - are beneficiaries of solidarity are the ones that come out with 'lets look after our own first' or will there be no connection at all.

c montgomery

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Refugees are more important than bank debt.

No their not.

foggy_lad

Joan Brutan AKA Angela Éire has stated that there is no upward limit on how much it will cost the taxpayers.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/no-upper-limit-on-number-of-refugees-ireland-will-take-1.2341813

“The Government has had a number of detailed discussions, particularly the decision to send the navy and the decision to accept whatever number we are asked to accept.”

Asked what the figure would be, Ms Burton said it would be “the figure that we need to take”.

“It could be 5,000, I wouldn’t like to put an upper limit on it.”

The Tánaiste said the Office of Public Works are examining empty properties where the refugees could be housed.

How many empty properties are around the country that would be suitable and don't require millions of Euro in renovations and fitting out for refugees? There are a few Army barracks but are there any other suitable places? The Hazel Hotel in Monasterevin worked out very well because the area is serviced hourly be the Dublin Coach N7 service serving Kildare Naas and Newbride as well as the Red Cow Luas stop, Are there other closed hotels with good public transport links that could be bought up cheaply and used?

melissak

Will ireland be taking refugees from the war zone or people who are in europe already does anyone know?

Boskowski

When we're talking about taking them in are we talking about people who are on granted asylum status already and will be here for longer or even here to stay or are we talking people that have to go through the process yet and may be sent back home?

Its such a tough isn't it? We (we as in all of Europe) can't turn our backs on them but if we make it too easy we're basically inviting Tom, Dick and Harry to get on the way. It's a no win situation really.

316

They will have to increase the dole.

Boskowski

316 wrote: »

They will have to increase the dole.

Why would you say that? That would be madness for various other reasons wouldn't it? Then you'd also have to increase minimum wage and that would kick off a whole other spiral of things.

snubbleste

Are Irish people ready to pay for Irish homeless?
Apparently so - stick them in a hostel, hotel, B&B for years. Turn a blind eye. So many people are in limbo because of the housing crisis here, lives destroyed, there is very little political leadership on the issue and a general unwillingness to tackle the issue, even on a grassroots level.

There are ~600 new Irish citizens stuck in direct provision because they have nowhere to go.

Why is there a political willingness to accept refugees from the current migrant crisis without any apparent forethought?
And no, I don't want to pay higher taxes to resettle refugees.

toptom

No we have too many here, How will they pay their way?

zl1whqvjs75cdy

If they already landed in a European country before coming to Ireland aren't they technically migrants? Will they be able to claim asylum here? What are we going to do about the inevitable "ghettos" that will spring up from housing several hundred unemployable migrants in one area? What about the crime increase that will occur around these areas? Are there facilities to teach them English?

All of these questions and no answers. It worries me that there is no plan in place to deal with these people and their needs. It seems to be a case of just get them here to win political favor with the masses and with Germany, and then we'll ignore the social issues that go with the influx of several thousands of displaced people. Irish thinking at its finest.

jaykay74

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Is there facilities to teach them English?

I could see this being a problem alright :pac:

Galwayguy35

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Refugees are more important than bank debt.

It's not a question of getting to pick one or the other, both have to be paid for.

Regarding the original question yes most of us are prepared to foot the bill for a reasonable amount of refugees, but I'm not willing to pay for economic migrants.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

jaykay74 wrote: »

I could see this being a problem alright :pac:

Happy?

thedumbone

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

If they already landed in a European country before coming to Ireland aren't they technically migrants? Will they be able to claim asylum here? What are we going to do about the inevitable "ghettos" that will spring up from housing several hundred unemployable migrants in one area? What about the crime increase that will occur around these areas? Are there facilities to teach them English?

All of these questions and no answers. It worries me that there is no plan in place to deal with these people and their needs. It seems to be a case of just get them here to win political favor with the masses and with Germany, and then we'll ignore the social issues that go with the influx of several thousands of displaced people. Irish thinking at its finest.

why would they want to learn english ? They got dole. It's enough for them.

crazy_kenny

We can't even look after our own citizens so I don't think we should be accepting any refugees. However, because we are part the EU we will have to take some by Law. The least amount we can get away with the better I believe.

jaykay74

thedumbone wrote: »

why would they want to learn english ? They got dole. It's enough for them.

You think the grads want to watch sky sports sitting on their hole ?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/05/cameron-moral-failure-refugees-europe

He added: “Mrs Merkel’s position was not just a message of EU cohesion, but was also an intelligent proposal for the German economy because Syrian immigrants are appropriate to the German needs – the shrinking of population and the need for skills – 40% of the Syrians are graduates.”

zl1whqvjs75cdy

thedumbone wrote: »

why would they want to learn english ? They got dole. It's enough for them.

I'll bite but I sense a troll. They might want to actually integrate into the country if they are going to be here a while. I don't see the Syrian situation being resolved in the near future.

Boskowski

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

If they already landed in a European country before coming to Ireland aren't they technically migrants? Will they be able to claim asylum here? What are we going to do about the inevitable "ghettos" that will spring up from housing several hundred unemployable migrants in one area? What about the crime increase that will occur around these areas? Are there facilities to teach them English?

All of these questions and no answers. It worries me that there is no plan in place to deal with these people and their needs. It seems to be a case of just get them here to win political favor with the masses and with Germany, and then we'll ignore the social issues that go with the influx of several thousands of displaced people. Irish thinking at its finest.

Why would you say 'with Germany'. Do you think that Germany should deal alone with all those refugees? They are here (Europe), thats a reality. Are we going to drive them back into the sea? Or leave the countries with a shore to the Med alone with the problem? Or the country that blinks first (Germany)?

snubbleste

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Regarding the original question yes most of us are prepared to foot the bill for a reasonable amount of refugees, but I'm not willing to pay for economic migrants.

Rough figure? 5,000 -> 50,000 ?
How much additional tax are you willing to pay?

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Boskowski wrote: »

Why would you say 'with Germany'. Do you think that Germany should deal alone with all those refugees? They are here (Europe), thats a reality. Are we going to drive them back into the sea? Or leave the countries with a shore to the Med alone with the problem? Or the country that blinks first (Germany)?

Not at all, just Germany seems to be the most vocal about letting large numbers of refugees into Europe. I think the gulf states and the Americans need to do their bit too. Particularly since you could argue the (current) destabilization of the Middle East goes back to the most recent invasion of Iraq.

thedumbone

jaykay74 wrote: »

You think the grads want to watch sky sports sitting on their hole ?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/05/cameron-moral-failure-refugees-europe

He added: “Mrs Merkel’s position was not just a message of EU cohesion, but was also an intelligent proposal for the German economy because Syrian immigrants are appropriate to the German needs – the shrinking of population and the need for skills – 40% of the Syrians are graduates.”

thats pretty lame excuse for taking that many refugees, dont you see its a ****ing propaganda?

maybe lets look at no biased facts, huh?

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/p600x600/11222424_1642637782651545_5489929824780660735_n.jpg?oh=076836ee31efeedc2688e3ef59a6726f&oe=56603CA8

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11225209_877332962346895_4623708925287242773_n.jpg?oh=06402e1f211883c9a2937793eba3b8f9&oe=567C9423

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9yDf7uIDQo

crazy_kenny

crazy_kenny wrote: »

We can't even look after our own citizens so I don't think we should be accepting any refugees. However, because we are part the EU we will have to take some by Law. The least amount we can get away with the better I believe.

I think we are looking after our own as well as we can in the circumstances. There is a housing problem, but it cannot be sorted overnight.
Turning our backs on those unfortunates is not an option. We Irish have emigrated, fled famine and poverty over the centuries. Now it is our turn to hold out the hand to others.

thedumbone

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I'll bite but I sense a troll. They might want to actually integrate into the country if they are going to be here a while. I don't see the Syrian situation being resolved in the near future.

yes :pac: stop being naive

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11988254_1647781372158956_7219695772812488871_n.jpg?oh=642bdfa96182d6f8c3386f5bb0e0e6f6&oe=565FA665

jaykay74

thedumbone wrote: »

thats pretty lame excuse for taking that many refugees, dont you see its a ****ing propaganda?

maybe lets look at no biased facts, huh?

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/p600x600/11222424_1642637782651545_5489929824780660735_n.jpg?oh=076836ee31efeedc2688e3ef59a6726f&oe=56603CA8

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11225209_877332962346895_4623708925287242773_n.jpg?oh=06402e1f211883c9a2937793eba3b8f9&oe=567C9423

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9yDf7uIDQo

a youtube video with 171 views. Seriously ?

whupdedo

I can't see them integrating like they should if they are to housed together in what will inevitably become crime ridden ghettos if they are left to their own devices , do we need an extra 5000 people who can't work and who will eventually become bored , disenfranchised and anti social if the proper measures are not put in place to tackle language barriers , cultural , religious and social differences.

And what if we do take in 5000 refugees , what happens when they start to breed , do we put restrictions on birth rates , provide social housing to single mothers (once the discover how to work the welfare system ) clog up hospital and maternity beds in our already creaking hospitals , put more pressure on schools in the area they will be housed when such schools are incapable of coping with the already over packed classrooms as it is ?

We need to go into this with eyes wide open , not just because Joan thinks it will go down well with Angela in Berlin to come out publicly and agree with the collective political mindset that seems to be prevalent in relation to the refugee crisis

SSLguru

Our grandchildren will never forgive us.

It's a shame this country used to be great , funny how on the 100th aniversary of the 1916 rising will concede with ireland committing cultural suicide.

All our forefathers fought hard for our land only for the future irish to be a minority and basically a 2nd class citizen in their own country.

They must be turning in their graves.

thedumbone

jaykay74 wrote: »

a youtube video with 171 views. Seriously ?

so what? does amount of views affects reality of it? lmao :pac::pac:

there you go, if that helps you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8X9oay_mo8
with foreign subtitles

btw its the source from biggest **** media in poland

jaykay74

SSLguru wrote: »

Our grandchildren will never forgive us.

It's a shame this country used to be great , funny how on the 100th aniversary of the 1916 rising will concede with ireland committing cultural suicide.

All our forefathers fought hard for our land only for the future irish to be a minority and basically a 2nd class citizen in their own country.

They must be turning in their graves.

Why, what happened ?

jaykay74

thedumbone wrote: »

so what? does amount of views affects reality of it? lmao :pac::pac:

there you go, if that helps you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8X9oay_mo8
with foreign subtitles

btw its the source from biggest **** media in poland

who is she ?

Galwayguy35

snubbleste wrote: »

Rough figure? 5,000 -> 50,000 ?
How much additional tax are you willing to pay?

The 1800 figure the Government say they are taking in is reasonable, any more than that I wouldn't be happy with.

thedumbone

jaykay74 wrote: »

who is she ?

are you for real now or just playing dumb?
does she look like a freaking refugee? does average refugee know how to speak english? holy ****...

just dont tell me its the first time you see peoples complying about refugees, i will just call you ignorant ^^

jaykay74

thedumbone wrote: »

are you for real now or just playing dumb?
does she look like a freaking refugee? does average refugee know how to speak english? holy ****...

No. I don't know who she is. Its an interview with someone not happy with refugees I thought since you sourced it you'd have the background on it to give it some context or...? Any newspaper articles to go with it or is it just the hearsay from the woman in question ?

Or is the propaganda from one side only ?

A Primal Nut

Boskowski wrote: »

Why would you say 'with Germany'. Do you think that Germany should deal alone with all those refugees? They are here (Europe), thats a reality. Are we going to drive them back into the sea? Or leave the countries with a shore to the Med alone with the problem? Or the country that blinks first (Germany)?

They don't have to be here. When Turkey intercepts their boats they send them back. The migrants recover enough to try again soon after. Basically they keep trying until they get rescued by Greek boats. If the Greek boats didn't bring them back then they would give up. The EU is not responsible for every poor person in the world. If we stop giving asylum and benefits they won't come. Saying it's inevitable they will come is not true but media propaganda.

daveville30

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The 1800 figure the Government say they are taking in is reasonable, any more than that I wouldn't be happy with.

the 500 Bosnians that ireland took in the 90s turned to 5000 when there families came.so we're going to end up with thousands of them.

Jjiipp79

Vile people should be left where they belong!
When the crime starts I hope the do- gooders get raped and robbed first!


Mod:
Banned.

snubbleste

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The 1800 figure the Government say they are taking in is reasonable, any more than that I wouldn't be happy with.

Joan Burton says ~5,000 with no upper limit
Brendan Howlin says a proportionate amount relative to our EU size, if Germany has 800k (1% pop), ergo Ireland would be seeking 45k

Malpaisian

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Refugees are more important than bank debt.

You are conflating two different issues.

jaykay74

daveville30 wrote: »

the 500 Bosnians that ireland took in the 90s turned to 5000 when there families came.so we're going to end up with thousands of them.

Wow 5000 Bosnians. Thats a lot on fairness. Too much I think.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/census2011profile6/Profile,6,Migration,and,Diversity,entire,doc.pdf

I mean according to the census in 2011 (linked above) there are between 201 and 1000 Bosnians in Ireland. Where you getting your stats from for 5000 ? Youtube I suppose :pac: Perhaps they were hiding under the bed.

thedumbone

jaykay74 wrote: »

No. I don't know who she is. Its an interview with someone not happy with refugees I thought since you sourced it you'd have the background on it to give it some context or...? Any newspaper articles to go with it or is it just the hearsay from the woman in question ?

Or is the propaganda from one side only ?

i clearly stated that it was broadcasted in polish TV by TVN24, there is no online news about it, the source is from DE RTL TV/x-news

what else sir? shoe number of the cameraman?

snubbleste

jaykay74 wrote: »

... according to the census in 2011 (linked above) there are between 201 and 1000 Bosnians in Ireland. Where you getting your stats from for 5000 ? Youtube I suppose :pac: Perhaps they were hiding under the bed.

The Census is not really accurate. A significant chunk would have applied for Irish citizenship.

jaykay74

thedumbone wrote: »

i clearly stated that it was broadcasted in polish TV by TVN24

No you didn't! You didn't clearly state that at all. Unless clearly stated means sonething else to you.

A Primal Nut

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/09/01/islamic-state-terrorists-caught-crossing-into-europe-posing-as-refugees/

Of course this was ignored by the media because it doesn't suit the narrative.

thedumbone

jaykay74 wrote: »

No you didn't! You didn't clearly state that at all. Unless clearly stated means sonething else to you.

thedumbone wrote: »

so what? does amount of views affects reality of it? lmao

there you go, if that helps you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8X9oay_mo8
with foreign subtitles

btw its the source from biggest **** media in poland

yes, I did...

ThisRegard

jaykay74 wrote: »

Wow 5000 Bosnians. Thats a lot on fairness. Too much I think.

How can it be too much when you don't even realise the amount that's here?

daedal

Refugees yes, economic migrants no.. everybody is claiming to be a refugee its in fashion