Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

glack

Second. We played waaayy back in 1935.

Stoner

glack wrote:

Second. We played waaayy back in 1935.

Watch: Brilliant footage from Kildare and Mayo's only ever championship meeting http://the42.ie/2872490

PressRun

Glad it's not Cork away, but every match is going to have me on my toes. Can't take anything for granted.

Stoner

Stoner wrote:

Watch: Brilliant footage from Kildare and Mayo's only ever championship meeting

Look at 1:15 and 2:37

And the size of the crowd

keane2097

Mayo fella diving at 1:15 :pac:

gigantic09

Stoner wrote: »

Watch: Brilliant footage from Kildare and Mayo's only ever championship meeting http://the42.ie/2872490

I remember it well,they made the season ticket holders sit on the sides of the pitch,many of whom cycled home from America for the game.

yop

keane2097 wrote: »

Mayo fella diving at 1:15 :pac:

Well give you a laugh for that one you looder!

yop

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No it is not.

Who are they? The Connacht Council and the CCCC? seeing as you were wrong on both counts?

Ya all 3 of them. All 4 in fact. Right again though

Fr Tod Umptious

keane2097 wrote: »

Mayo fella diving at 1:15 :pac:

Yea, the great Mike Moriarty from Charlestown.

Both parents from Kerry

Stoner

So it's a Kerry thing so just like AOS
It all came out on the end.
I think Philly uses Kerry gold.

I think Kerrydude visited ballymun back in the 1990'as , did a bit of promotional coaching.

We got there in the end lads.

seligehgit

cocoman wrote: »

According to the bible of Wikipedia Newbridge only has a capacity of 6200. Would it go ahead there?

I don't really mind travelling but the thought of a trip to Cork on Saturday evening isn't very appealing. It probably wouldn't be on TV either if the Connaught replay is on Saturday aswell.

Stoner wrote: »

So it's a Kerry thing so just like AOS
It all came out on the end.
I think Philly uses Kerry gold.

Bunny Colvin

Kildare at home is about the best draw we could have hoped for. We will get a game off them but home advantage once again gives that bit of a cushion. Being six points down at half-time against Fermanagh will show the players that there's no room for complacency, I doubt they will want to put themselves in that position again anytime soon, so hopefully we are sharper from the off this time, breeze or no breeze.

I would expect to see a couple of changes. I'm not sure if I'd put Barry Moran in from the start, he's a great option to bring in fresh but I'm not sure if he has the engine to last the full 70 so I'd rather have him finish the game than start. Coen is a great prospect but he's not up to the standard of an inter-county midfielder yet. I think Diarmuid O'Connor would be a better shout as he's up and down the pitch all day anyway. Vaughan has a great chance of starting too. I'd like to see us push up and press high, we done it brilliantly in the second half against Fermanagh, they couldn't get out of their own half at times. It's what we done well in the years gone by.

The qualifiers can make a team sharper and it will give Rochford an opportunity to fine tune. It's also a welcome change for the support. It's great that we've another game to look forward to on Saturday, instead of waiting weeks until we're out again and the home draw is the icing on the cake. There should be a good crowd in again, I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 12k.

PressRun

Stoner wrote: »

So it's a Kerry thing so just like AOS
It all came out on the end.
I think Philly uses Kerry gold.

I think Kerrydude visited ballymun back in the 1990'as , did a bit of promotional coaching.

We got there in the end lads.

I heard Tiernan McCann visited Dingle once as a boy. It's all coming together now.

seligehgit

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Kildare at home is about the best draw we could have hoped for. We will get a game off them but home advantage once again gives that bit of a cushion. Being six points down at half-time against Fermanagh will show the players that there's no room for complacency, I doubt they will want to put themselves in that position again anytime soon, so hopefully we are sharper from the off this time, breeze or no breeze.

I would expect to see a couple of changes. I'm not sure if I'd put Barry Moran in from the start, he's a great option to bring in fresh but I'm not sure if he has the engine to last the full 70 so I'd rather have him finish the game than start. Coen is a great prospect but he's not up to the standard of an inter-county midfielder yet. I think Diarmuid O'Connor would be a better shout as he's up and down the pitch all day anyway. Vaughan has a great chance of starting too. I'd like to see us push up and press high, we done it brilliantly in the second half against Fermanagh, they couldn't get out of their own half at times. It's what we done well in the years gone by.

The qualifiers can make a team sharper and it will give Rochford an opportunity to fine tune. It's also a welcome change for the support. It's great that we've another game to look forward to on Saturday, instead of waiting weeks until we're out again and the home draw is the icing on the cake. There should be a good crowd in again, I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 12k.

Yes it will be very interesting to see what if any changes are made.After watching the game back it was even more obvious how badly Corrigan cleaned Brendan Harrison out... I'm not sure what in the way of options we have.
I am firm in my opinion that Keith Higgins has to return to the corner,he is needed more there you steady the ship than to offer his undoubted pace in the forwards.

Donal Vaughan has to have a great chance to hold onto his place instead of Patrick Durkan.

Barry Moran has to be a live option to start in the middle after his significant contribution to turning the tide our way.His ability to last seventy minutes at the moment is open to question.

Other options are slotting the dynamic Diarmuid O Connor in there or Aidan O Shea.

I'm expecting that Jason Doherty will probably come back in for Alan Freeman.Alan Dillon is hardly likely to start in spite of his own excellence on Saturday.

PressRun

Barry Moran could make a good case for starting but there's also a good case for keeping him as an impact sub. His fielding the last day was superb and visibly lifted the team and crowd when we needed it most. It could be useful to keep that kind of player fresh and in reserve, especially if the game is in the melting pot.

Ascii

Just flicked through bits of the game on the player. Few things I missed from the stand that needed looking at. Enjoyable over all, was good to get a win under the belt. I maintain the first game in the qualifiers is always the toughest, you are after coming off the back of a loss and confidence can be low. Awful easy to fall to lesser teams, Longford in 2010 and Monaghan/Longofrd again last Saturday.

From what I seen we really have a lot of work to do. Was great to see Clarke back. Though his kick outs worked well for the most, bar the short one that resulted in the hop ball in the first half.


Back line looked all to ropey. Harrison is still very green and gave away several sloppy passes, even though he also had a few good clearances. Got caught badly for the goal, questionable whether he got a nudge in the back or not. Clarke had no chance. Also let his man get a soft point or two in the first half. Keane got caught ball watching once or twice again in the first half and was lucky not to get caught out. Had a crazy kick for a point in the second half from 20 yards when a pass was a better option. What ever about half backs being within 20 yards of the opposition, IMO it is no place for a full back. Caff and Barrett are a huge loss as is even Cunniffee in the Corner. We also Really missed Higgins in the corner. Think he brings an element of stability and assuredness to the back three. Bigger teams will see this as a real weak area for us. Boyler and keegan played good. Durcan had an off day, that's allowed. Thought Vaughan did ok when he came in and could well start the next day.


Coen really disappointed me. Was not at the races at all. Really sloppy pass that led directly to the goal. Had one or two clean catches at midfield but overall did not contribute much particularly going forward. SOS was good in spells but at times faded out. Came into it more as we got on top and they faded. Really felt he was missing Parsons, up until now they were a great paring. I really think the rotation of the forwards is not paying dividends. Five scores in the first half of which 2 were placed balls is very poor. All to often Higgins looked way out of his depth. He did not look so assured of his surroundings and was not comfortable laying the ball off unlike when he is coming out of defence. I really thought after 2013 the Higgins in the forward line **** was put to bed. Overall though he put a lot of ball through his hands and committed himself well and was effective.


DOC played with his usual intensity, covered every blade of the pitch very well. Took his point or two very well in the second half. COC was anonymous for large parts. I don't know if it's the captaincy, maybe it is getting too him but he Does not have the form of recent seasons. Letting Freezer take the 45 in the first half in the wind was bizarre. Bryan Sheehan wouldn't have attempted that into that wind. Evan Regan played well for parts, but supply of ball was poor for the most. All too often he was starved or got poor deliveries. Has potential though, is pacey has a good peg. Did so well to get the ball to zippy with four lads hanging off him that led to the goal. Likewise freezer was starved of possession and quality ball. All to often he was down in the half back like and midfield looking for ball. For me he is our best option at FF.


AOS did OK at times. Will not be happy with himself, he has got enough of a hammering on social media at this stage, so I won't say anything further. He Found himself isolated in the FF line at times with no help. I still believe that if you put a target man in the FF line, he needs support to pick off the breaking ball and scraps. All to often he was in there alone, e.g. The penalty incident, there was no one in there with him.


Subs mad massive impact, both big bird and Dillon. Andy got his usual selfish streak. Worrying when we have to rely on these older players to dig it out of the fire. Really though Loftus deserved a look in.


In one way I am glad we have the qualifiers because we need game time seriously badly. I am not one for body language but we did not look like a cohesive unit. All too often there was players with hands on the hips and hands on their heads after slipping tackles. This was more noticeable off camera. There was no tracking back and fighting for either the ball or each other when the play had moved further back the pitch. Watch when the goal was scored. There was no cheering or support and they did not look like a cohesive unit. Freeman gave orders to Higgins to take his position and COC ran by freeman without even a thumbs up or clap on the back. Whether the debacle last back end with the managers has caused friction in the camp we will never know, well not at least for a few years, but I just don't get a feeling that we are a strong unit compared to the last few years. Big teams will not fear us for one second, maybe the under dog title will stand to us.




Looking forward to Saturday. Hope to see a massive reaction in a few sectors. Happy with the draw. Will be good to get acquainted with Cian O Neill once again.

Credit must go to the supporters. Really turned out in force, made themselves heard and the presence on the pitch afterwards says a lot. This is bar the few flutes and bellends that were booing as the team went off at half time. no place for that sh1t in a game IMO. If you feel agitated..log on to Boards :-)

NabyLadistheman

No way did Higgins look out of his depth. I thought he was great throughout. He stays in the half forward line for me. His pace is still there & he's composed on the ball. Keane & Harrison have been poor but surely with a sweeper there we have to be doing better defensively. There was a serious lack of intensitity in our tackling during that spell before half time. This needs to be addressed. It's a shame Barrett is goosed for the time being as well

PressRun

Didn't think Higgins looked out of his depth either. He was one of our best players the last day.

yop

Forgot Cian O'Neill was managing them..... must bring him a snack box!

Need to look at the match again but I think Higgins did okay, McLoughs got caught out for the goal, would Higgins have?
Clarke will hold is position for sure. Coen, Durkan and Harrison will be shaky.
I think either Dillon or Moran (a) could get a start. They both settled the team very well and their selfish side is probably because they want a place and need to story to attain one.

Fr Tod Umptious

yop wrote: »

Forgot Cian O'Neill was managing them..... must bring him a snack box!

Need to look at the match again but I think Higgins did okay, McLoughs got caught out for the goal, would Higgins have?
Clarke will hold is position for sure. Coen, Durkan and Harrison will be shaky.
I think either Dillon or Moran (a) could get a start. They both settled the team very well and their selfish side is probably because they want a place and need to story to attain one.

Dillon and A. Moran would not be great to start, but good as impact sub's.
The case for B. Moran to start is greater but has he a full game in him.

As I mentioned before the last game Doherty could be very handy cleaning up "dirty ball" as they call it, so you could have 2 x O Shea's in the middle, McLaughlin, Doherty and DOC in the half forward line, and then give Loftus a go in the FF line, unfortunately Freeman is still not getting it done.

I don't know what you would do if you need a corner back instead of Harrison, is there one to spare ?

statto25

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Dillon and A. Moran would not be great to start, but good as impact sub's.
The case for B. Moran to start is greater but has he a full game in him.

As I mentioned before the last game Doherty could be very handy cleaning up "dirty ball" as they call it, so you could have 2 x O Shea's in the middle, McLaughlin, Doherty and DOC in the half forward line, and then give Loftus a go in the FF line, unfortunately Freeman is still not getting it done.

I don't know what you would do if you need a corner back instead of Harrison, is there one to spare ?

In fairness to Freeman the way we played in the first half didn't benefit a full forward and it ended up with with him having to come out the field to get on the ball. We only started hitting the full forward when O'Shea went in there. Id like to see him get another chance.

Ascii

PressRun wrote: »

Didn't think Higgins looked out of his depth either. He was one of our best players the last day.

Granted Higgins played well and fought for every ball like a terrier. I think with three of our regular back four missing (Cunniffee, Barrett, Caff) and two unconvincing players in there in Harr and Keane, Higgins is needed more than ever to shore up that unit even with a sweeper. In my opinion and it's only my opinion, we have less options in defence and more in the half forward line.

Would Higgins make a decent sweeper ?

km79

Ascii wrote: »

Granted Higgins played well and fought for every ball like a terrier. I think with three of our regular back four missing (Cunniffee, Barrett, Caff) and two unconvincing players in there in Harr and Keane, Higgins is needed more than ever to shore up that unit even with a sweeper. In my opinion and it's only my opinion, we have less options in defence and more in the half forward line.

Would Higgins make a decent sweeper ?

its my opinion and many others as well!
Higgins can do what Kevin McL did Sunday but better as he is a DEFENDER!
Vice versa then roe the role in the forwards!
Higgins looked nervous every time he got the ball in hand in the forward line. He generally gave it away or ran into defenders
Take the goal as just one example.......Higgins ball in hand ,gets flustered kicks it away. Long ball kicked in . Our sweeper is AWOL. Goal
It just makes no sense.

yop

Well from what I understand they will persist with this Higgins McLoughs experiment, I don't agree with it.

We are short in the backs, Cunniffe gone to the USA and injuries.

Thats a fair point about Freeman, service was poor.

NabyLadistheman

km79 wrote: »

its my opinion and many others as well!
Higgins can do what Kevin McL did Sunday but better as he is a DEFENDER!
Vice versa then roe the role in the forwards!
Higgins looked nervous every time he got the ball in hand in the forward line. He generally gave it away or ran into defenders
Take the goal as just one example.......Higgins ball in hand ,gets flustered kicks it away. Long ball kicked in . Our sweeper is AWOL. Goal
It just makes no sense.

I just watched the second half again & Higgins was on some amount of ball. His pace making incisions & laying off to the man on his shoulder.

Ascii

km79 wrote: »

its my opinion and many others as well!
Higgins can do what Kevin McL did Sunday but better as he is a DEFENDER!
Vice versa then roe the role in the forwards!
Higgins looked nervous every time he got the ball in hand in the forward line. He generally gave it away or ran into defenders
Take the goal as just one example.......Higgins ball in hand ,gets flustered kicks it away. Long ball kicked in . Our sweeper is AWOL. Goal
It just makes no sense.

Was it not Coen that kicked the aimless long ball that was immediately sent back into the box and then goaled.

Can someone explain the sweeper role to me. I thought the sweeper sat back there with the 6 defenders. We seemed to hold our 6-2-6 format for the most so was it not a case of Mclou was the defender with just a more roving role to bring the ball out of defence while Higg was a forward and not a sweeper system at all.

reap-a-rat

I was annoyed at the game about the Higgins/McLoughlin thing but when I watched the game back I was less pessimistic about it. Higgins for sure isn't completely comfortable up in the half forward line so I would be happier for him to play back the field a bit but he got on a lot of ball and I think some of his mistakes would have happened anywhere, they were just poor decisions on his part - gave two sloppy handpasses and lost a couple of balls running into the tackle - he was far from the only culprit of that particular one though so wouldn't be fair to single him out for criticism.

McLoughlin, while caught out of position once or twice (owing to marauding runs to set up/support quick counter attacks), got on a super amount of ball and did a lot of good with it too. When he was back sweeping he took up good positions and cut out several balls to their potent full forward line. Early in the second half, he was playing around the middle of the park and won dirty ball which is the main thing we miss when he's playing front of the full back. He's the best dirty ball winner in the game when the keeper is kicking 50-50 kickouts. His judgement there is unreal so I can see why people want him back there.

But I think the difference with the 'experiment' of switching the two of them between the Galway game and this one was evident and it's improving. It's something that would have been better done in the league rather than at this stage because if we have to drop it now, the B-plan won't have been tested out at all coming to the business end (should we get through the Kildare game).

I'm interested to see if Rochford persists with it anyway. Could do with Higgins' point a game from corner back though - he never seems to get a score up in the forwards!

yop

reap-a-rat wrote: »

I was annoyed at the game about the Higgins/McLoughlin thing but when I watched the game back I was less pessimistic about it. Higgins for sure isn't completely comfortable up in the half forward line so I would be happier for him to play back the field a bit but he got on a lot of ball and I think some of his mistakes would have happened anywhere, they were just poor decisions on his part - gave two sloppy handpasses and lost a couple of balls running into the tackle - he was far from the only culprit of that particular one though so wouldn't be fair to single him out for criticism.

McLoughlin, while caught out of position once or twice (owing to marauding runs to set up/support quick counter attacks), got on a super amount of ball and did a lot of good with it too. When he was back sweeping he took up good positions and cut out several balls to their potent full forward line. Early in the second half, he was playing around the middle of the park and won dirty ball which is the main thing we miss when he's playing front of the full back. He's the best dirty ball winner in the game when the keeper is kicking 50-50 kickouts. His judgement there is unreal so I can see why people want him back there.

But I think the difference with the 'experiment' of switching the two of them between the Galway game and this one was evident and it's improving. It's something that would have been better done in the league rather than at this stage because if we have to drop it now, the B-plan won't have been tested out at all coming to the business end (should we get through the Kildare game).

I'm interested to see if Rochford persists with it anyway. Could do with Higgins' point a game from corner back though - he never seems to get a score up in the forwards!

I think thats down to the inability of his marker to keep pace with him, so he gains yards and is a "free man" then by the time he gets to the FF line.
With him been a forward his marker is closer and has a chance to stop him. My take on it anyway

Oldtree

Fermanagh forced a lot of the positioning in the first half imo thus the sweeper idea not really showing and their no. 14 (+ one other) had a very quick spin round that caught us unawares more than once easily allowed him off up field.

Some lovely ball catching in mid air at full stretch by mayo and with great defending overall. Enjoyed seeing Donal Vaughn back on, I think he ads an extra dynamic to play with his versatility (but i may be biased ).

Would also like to see 2 X OS in the front but 1 OS down back too.

Worthy of note, they looked much fitter towards the end than earlier in the year.

Ascii

Oldtree wrote: »

Fermanagh forced a lot of the positioning in the first half imo thus the sweeper idea not really showing and their no. 14 (+ one other) had a very quick spin round that caught us unawares more than once easily allowed him off up field.

Some lovely ball catching in mid air at full stretch by mayo and with great defending overall. Enjoyed seeing Donal Vaughn back on, I think he ads an extra dynamic to play with his versatility (but i may be biased ).

Would also like to see 2 X OS in the front but 1 OS down back too.

Worthy of note, they looked much fitter towards the end than earlier in the year.

Ah your welcome to the forum Donal...have you them Ecco's in a size ten please :-)