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Should smoking be banned completely ?

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    #182
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Fixed your post for you ......... now I agree with it! :)

    Most smokers start - and (most importantly) get hooked - before they're 18. Without under-age smoking, there wouldn't be much of a tobacco industry.


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    #183
    Sam Kade
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    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    RayM wrote: »
    Most smokers start - and (most importantly) get hooked - before they're 18. Without under-age smoking, there wouldn't be much of a tobacco industry.
    Underage smokers can least afford them so I don't think they would keeping the tobacco industry going. I know people that started smoking in their twenties and and also people in their forties.


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    #184
    Sam Kade
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    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Wouldn't banning alcohol be a much better idea with all the problems it causes.

    What problems does it cause moderate drinkers seeing that they are the majority of drinkers?


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    #185
    RayM
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    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    Sam Kade wrote: »
    Underage smokers can least afford them so I don't think they would keeping the tobacco industry going. I know people that started smoking in their twenties and and also people in their forties.

    In Ireland, the average age for starting smoking is 17. In other words, most smokers start before they're mature enough to make such a life-changing decision. I know lots of people who started when they were 13 or 14, but not so many who started beyond their teens.


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    #186
    end of the road
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    RayM wrote: »
    In Ireland, the average age for starting smoking is 17. In other words, most smokers start before they're mature enough to make such a life-changing decision.

    17 is 1 year before 18. they don't suddenly become mature at 18, nor is it guaranteed that they aren't mature before it. legally however they aren't allowed to buy or smoke ciggarettes at 17

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #187
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    end of the road wrote: »
    17 is 1 year before 18. they don't suddenly become mature at 18, nor is it guaranteed that they aren't mature before it. legally however they aren't allowed to buy or smoke ciggarettes at 17

    If everyone waited until they were over 18 before deciding whether to smoke, there would be far, far fewer smokers. The tobacco industry benefits massively from this.

    I can understand smokers defending their 'right' to consume substances to which they are chemically addicted, but it's not often you see someone defending Big Tobacco's right to produce carcinogens.


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    #188
    B.A._Baracus
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    Yes, the price should be increased to €15 a pack.
    Threads like these really make you think what people are... or should I say certain people.

    "I dont like smoking so I think it should be banned!" - geez get off your high horse will ya.


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    #189
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,987 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    RayM wrote: »
    If everyone waited until they were over 18 before deciding whether to smoke, there would be far, far fewer smokers.

    absolutely no evidence to prove that
    RayM wrote: »
    The tobacco industry benefits massively from this.

    not really.
    RayM wrote: »
    I can understand smokers defending their 'right' to consume substances to which they are chemically addicted, but it's not often you see someone defending Big Tobacco's right to produce carcinogens.

    i'm not a smoker actually

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #190
    RayM
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    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    end of the road wrote: »
    absolutely no evidence to prove that

    It is a fact that the majority of smokers start when they are under 18 (i.e. legally too young to make an educated decision on something that may well have a profound effect on their future). If we are to accept that they start smoking as a result of peer pressure (and I'd fucking love to see you attempt to refute that), is it not reasonable to conclude that most would make a different decision as adults? If the tobacco industry is to survive, it requires a constant stream of new customers to replace those who quit or die. Therefore, it benefits hugely from kids making silly decisions.

    It seems that you're determined to get the 'last word', even if it means posting any old drivel. By all means, carry on with your piss-poor attempts at defending the tobacco industry. Or alternatively, maybe you could have a long, hard look at yourself.


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    #191
    tigerboon
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    RayM wrote: »
    Most smokers start - and (most importantly) get hooked - before they're 18. Without under-age smoking, there wouldn't be much of a tobacco industry.

    I started at 13. Not a boast by the way. You are right of course. Start them underage and they have a percentage of your earnings all of your life. Same with kiddy meals at McDonald's. I gave up at 40 so that was 27 years. Start at 40 and die at 67....same thing


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    #192
    end of the road
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    RayM wrote: »
    It is a fact that the majority of smokers start when they are under 18 (i.e. legally too young to make an educated decision on something that may well have a profound effect on their future). If we are to accept that they start smoking as a result of peer pressure (and I'd ****ing love to see you attempt to refute that), is it not reasonable to conclude that most would make a different decision as adults? If the tobacco industry is to survive, it requires a constant stream of new customers to replace those who quit or die. Therefore, it benefits hugely from kids making silly decisions.

    It seems that you're determined to get the 'last word', even if it means posting any old drivel. By all means, carry on with your piss-poor attempts at defending the tobacco industry. Or alternatively, maybe you could have a long, hard look at yourself.
    i'm not interested in having the last word. they are only to young to purchase and take something. not to young to make an educated decisian as being under 18 doesn't mean your uneducated, and that once you reach 18 you suddenly are educated.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #193
    Liamario
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    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    MadDog76 wrote: »
    The Government is answerable to the People (or it should be) .......... the People of Ireland will be asking a lot of questions if smoking was banned.

    "Why can't I make my own decision?"

    Because you've shown that your ability to make intelligent decisions is very inconsistent, so we're going to have to step in and protect your health for you.

    "Why are our prisons so over-crowded?"

    Our justice systems focuses too much on punishment and not enough on prevention and rehabilitation. It's about laying good foundations at a very early stage

    "Why are Cigarette Dealers so wealthy?"

    Don't have to pay tax.

    "Why are the Guards under so much pressure?"

    Understaffed.

    "Why is our economy worse off than ever?"

    Incompetent leadership

    "Why are our elected Politicians corrupt?"

    Power causes corruption. System as it stands breeds corruption. Politicians are interested in the job for the wrong reasons and those that aren't are forced to work within fundamentally broken framework.

    "When are you going to end this stupid ban and all the problems it brought with it??!!"

    When doing so helps them to stay in power    .


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    #194
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    RayM wrote: »
    Honestly didn't expect someone to come along and try (admittedly quite badly and incoherently) to defend the tobacco industry...

    Their entire business model is reliant upon getting children hooked on carcinogens.

    It's as evil as MacDonalds, or Guinness, whose entire business models are reliant upon children getting hooked on unhealthy food that leads to obesity, alcohol that produces such huge and immediate social problems such as violence along with the health problems, and so on. Indeed with happy meals and alcopops, those industries have shown a willingness to put a "we are specifically aimed at kids" neon sign above their products.


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    #195
    Shergar6
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    No, I should be smoke if I choose.
    yes


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    #196
    end of the road
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    Shergar6 wrote: »
    yes

    so, where would the trillions come from to both
    1. enforce such a ban and all the costs that go with it
    2. replace the lost revenue

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #197
    MadDog76
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    end of the road wrote: »
    so, where would the trillions come from to both
    1. enforce such a ban and all the costs that go with it
    2. replace the lost revenue

    I don't think this "we hate smoking so it must be banned" lot have really thought the whole thing through tbh.


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    #198
    end of the road
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I don't think this "we hate smoking so it must be banned" lot have really thought the whole thing through tbh.
    i know, but its always worth asking one who agrees with a ban such questions

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #199
    fiachr_a
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    Hollister11 wrote: »
    So, should it be banned completely ?
    Sure let's ban climbing mountains too because people are stupid enough to climb and get killed.


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    #200
    Anesthetize
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    I always laugh when I see this thread made. Banning cigarettes will result in Christmas for the criminal gangs and smugglers of Ireland. This is the complete opposite of what needs to be done, yet the nanny state seems to want to dictate what we should and should not do. All drugs should be legalised and regulated, including heroin.


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    #201
    Fat Christy
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    Yes, the price should be increased to €15 a pack.
    It's getting really '1984' all up in here.

    OP, you're not my real mom!


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    #202
    fiachr_a
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    Anesthetize wrote: »
    All drugs should be legalised and regulated, including heroin.
    There would be less heroin deaths as it would be cleaner/safer to inject with less impurities added. What's missing in Ireland is a highly infectious common sense virus.


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    #203
    Anesthetize
    Registered Users Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    There would be less heroin deaths as it would be cleaner/safer to inject with less impurities added. What's missing in Ireland is a highly infectious common sense virus.
    A drug like heroin being illegal or legal isn't going to stop addicts sourcing it and using it. Using heroin in a safer and controlled environment will lead to less problems. Even if cigarettes became illegal and unregulated who only knows what crap you'll get in black market cigarettes and what health problems they could cause.

    There is also the mentality that something being illegal makes some people want to try it. If cigarettes were made illegal it would probably make them 'cool' again, especially to teenagers.


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    #204
    Hollister11
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    No, the price should be decreased, I shouldn't be financially punished for choosing to smoke.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/michael-noonan-signals-potential-hike-in-the-price-of-cigarettes-in-next-months-budget-31519947.html

    Price of cigarettes to increase in the upcoming budget. :):)


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    #205
    MadDog76
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    Hollister11 wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/michael-noonan-signals-potential-hike-in-the-price-of-cigarettes-in-next-months-budget-31519947.html

    Price of cigarettes to increase in the upcoming budget. :):)

    The Black Market Cigarette Dealers will be happy. :):)


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    #206
    aaronjumper
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    The Black Market Cigarette Dealers will be happy. :):)
    They also get easier to find with each raise. I've had people ask me in passing if I wanted to buy cheap cigarettes on nights out.
    Never used to happen before all this started.


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    #207
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    aaronjumper wrote: »
    They also get easier to find with each raise. I've had people ask me in passing if I wanted to buy cheap cigarettes on nights out.
    Never used to happen before all this started.

    They are literally everywhere ........ I was having a smoke outside of work today with three colleagues, all three of them were smoking Black Market cigarettes ....... they were actually shocked that I was still smoking "Irish" cigarettes!

    One of them joked that I must be over-paid if I can afford to buy cigarettes from a shop! :D


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