Jan and Klodi's Party Bus - part II **off topic discussion**

Idleater

Chuchote wrote: »

Thanks, Idleater. Iggerant as I am, what is the difference in weight between these and my clunky old wheels from the 1990s or so?

400g+ per wheel??? no idea really. The rotational weight is what you are reducing:
https://www.wired.com/2016/06/cycling-physics-extra-mass-bike-wheels-enemy/

Chuchote

Ah, thanks. How do I find the price? I clicked through to the buying page but can't see them, but can see some wheels for thousands :eek:

rubadub

VW 1 wrote: »

My apologies, that is the price for two tyres.

Ok, not so bad so. The marathon plus (very popular) are €45 each in cyclesuperstore and €30 on CRC with 33% off.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/schwalbe-marathon-plus-road-tyre-smart-guard/rp-prod24544

It would appear to be that schwalbe put high RRPs on stuff and likely lower wholesale prices, so that shops can afford to give large discounts while the LBS can appear to be not be screwing you, but charging just the RRP.


Nearly all their tyres have high % knocked on CRC

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/schwalbe?keywordRedirectTerm=schwalbe&_requestid=865569

This is the german site I used

https://www.bike-mailorder.de/search?sSearch=Schwalbe+

VW 1

Thank you kindly for the info, unfortunately my tyre needed immediate replacement had to go with the LBS.

Idleater

Chuchote wrote: »

Ah, thanks. How do I find the price? I clicked through to the buying page but can't see them, but can see some wheels for thousands :eek:

About a thousand is correct. I am not sure if you are serious in looking, I just just answered the original question. Cost, weight, reliability, pick two.

Chuchote

Idleater wrote: »

About a thousand is correct. I am not sure if you are serious in looking, I just just answered the original question. Cost, weight, reliability, pick two.

Well, I was serious, thinking of making my functional bike more functional, but that price makes me non-serious. Thanks for your help.

tomasrojo

I enjoyed this article about the 70s bicycle boom and the Counter Culture:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/jun/16/pedal-ins-patchouli-bikeology-americas-forgotten-1970s-cycle-boom

In Washington DC, there was a young Post staff reporter called Carl Bernstein – later to become half of the Pulitzer Prize-winning pair – known as the “office hippie” and a “long-haired freak who rode a bicycle …”

The movie "Dick" has some fun with his love of cycling.

Idleater

Chuchote wrote: »

Well, I was serious, thinking of making my functional bike more functional, but that price makes me non-serious. Thanks for your help.

To be fair, there are cheaper. Is your functional bike a racer or town bike? Based on that you might want to spawn a dedicated thread to get more sensible responses than mine.

smacl

Chuchote wrote: »

Well, I was serious, thinking of making my functional bike more functional, but that price makes me non-serious. Thanks for your help.

If your bike takes normal road wheels, something like Fulcrum 7, Mavic Aksium, or Campag Khamsin will make for a decent upgrade on cheap stock wheels without breaking the bank. If you give us an idea of your budget, tyre size and whether you're using disk or rim brakes I'm sure people will come up with better options.

Chuchote

It's an old Dawes. If I could get a reliable and cheap-to-run bike tracker I'd give it away (have a destination) and use my 'good' bike as functional bike, though.

Doctor Bob

My Twitter has been heaving for the last few days with messages from the Velo-City conference in Arnhem-Nijmegen (note to self: follower fewer bike nerds), but these two from the closing ceremony might be of interest here, in light of recent discussions re the Liffey etc. I presume our Lord Mayor is there to accept the cycling version of the Olympic torch, as Velo-City is in Dublin in 2019.

Lord Mayor Brendan Carr of Ireland: "Cycling is a form of acces, not of speed. That was an eyeopener to me". #vc17 #vc2017

https://twitter.com/Velocity2017/status/875692922179641344

"I fell in love with an e-bike today." :-) Lord Mayor Brendan Carr. #vc17 #vc2017

https://twitter.com/Velocity2017/status/875693980708728832

You might say that he had to go to the conference, so his presence there isn't particularly remarkable. But bear in mind that today is Bloomsday, so if he had wanted to stay in Dublin and send a deputy to The Netherlands, his absence could have been easily justified. Credit where credit is due, I guess.

smacl

Chuchote wrote: »

It's an old Dawes. If I could get a reliable and cheap-to-run bike tracker I'd give it away (have a destination) and use my 'good' bike as functional bike, though.

Questionable spending money on a bike you don't sound so keen on. For a hybrid I wanted to jazz up a bit, I'd probably go with Khamsin CX wheels as they're suitable for wider tyres. You'd need to check whether the cassette you've got would work or need changing too, they're listed as supporting 9/10/11 speed cassettes and its possible the Dawes is 7 or 8 speed and might need a spacer. For a cheap and cheerful option, Rose have a set of trekking wheels with Mavic Rims and Deore hubs at €107 suitable for 7/8/9/10 speed cassette, 2.5kg for the pair versus 1.75kg for the Khamsins. What tyres are you currently running? If your current wheels run reasonably well and you've heavy tyres, a cheaper and simpler option would be just replacing the tyres. Something like Marathon supreme roll well, don't weigh much, and are reasonably puncture resistant.

tomasrojo

Doctor Bob wrote: »

Credit where credit is due, I guess.

Indeed, if I may quote his Jesusness: likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Doctor Bob

So not only have I bored myself living a good and just life, now I discover that I have deprived the gods of joy?

Aah, fiddlesticks!

Chuchote

smacl wrote: »

Questionable spending money on a bike you don't sound so keen on. For a hybrid I wanted to jazz up a bit, I'd probably go with Khamsin CX wheels as they're suitable for wider tyres. You'd need to check whether the cassette you've got would work or need changing too, they're listed as supporting 9/10/11 speed cassettes and its possible the Dawes is 7 or 8 speed and might need a spacer. For a cheap and cheerful option, Rose have a set of trekking wheels with Mavic Rims and Deore hubs at €107 suitable for 7/8/9/10 speed cassette, 2.5kg for the pair versus 1.75kg for the Khamsins. What tyres are you currently running? If your current wheels run reasonably well and you've heavy tyres, a cheaper and simpler option would be just replacing the tyres. Something like Marathon supreme roll well, don't weigh much, and are reasonably puncture resistant.

Marathon tyre on the back, not sure on the front.

Yeah, I'm not that gone on this bike; its main value to me is that no one in their right mind would bother stealing it. If a decent SigFox bike tracker were available I'd hand it on gladly and turn my 'good' bike into both good and functional.

tomasrojo

Doctor Bob wrote: »

So not only have I bored myself living a good and just life, now I discover that I have deprived the gods of joy?

Aah, fiddlesticks!

Does seem a bit unfair on the just, doesn't it!

Wishbone Ash

To lose one KOM on a Friday night is unfortunate, to lose two is just careless!

Miklos

I've come down with a bizarre longing for a Brompton recently.. am I going mad?

RobFowl

Yes

smacl

Chuchote wrote: »

Marathon tyre on the back, not sure on the front.

No all Marathons are equal, you'll notice that the Marathon Supreme weighs less than half (440g vs 900g) that of the Marathon plus at the same width of 37mm. I run the 32mm versions on my cross and hybrid bikes which come out lighter still at 380g per tyre, and find them robust. grippy and roll well. Downside is they're expensive, and I reckon you could get something comparable a good bit cheaper. Either way, for my money the best cost effective upgrade for an old hybrid is tyres.

rubadub

smacl wrote: »

Downside is they're expensive, and I reckon you could get something comparable a good bit cheaper.

When determining the value people should take into account that they last a lot longer. My marathon plus lasted ages. A colleague also had them and was asking me if they looked worn out as they were used to replacing them much sooner, they looked totally fine.

On schwalbes site they had expected mileage and the marathon plus were way higher than some of their standard tyres.

Think I had mine 2 years with not a single puncture, savings on tubes, patches and time spent changing/repairing tubes is also a big factor for me, and in effect makes them "cheaper".

https://www.schwalbetires.com/tech_info/tire_wear

As a general guide, you can expect a tire mileage of 2000 to 5000 km from Schwalbe standard tires. The tires of the Marathon family usually last between 6000 and 12000 km. With the light Marathon Racer and Marathon Supreme, the performance is a little lower (approx. 5000 to 9000 km). The Marathon Plus is outstanding with its extremely high mileage of often much more than 10000 km.

They might be heavier but on most trips I no longer bothered to carry tubes & pump & levers as I was so confident that I would not get a puncture.

smacl

rubadub wrote: »

They might be heavier but on most trips I no longer bothered to carry tubes & pump & levers as I was so confident that I would not get a puncture.

Horses for courses really, the Marathon plus is the ideal tyre (short of a solid tyre) if you want to absolutely minimise the possibility of punctures. I put them on my kids bikes for this reason, as fixing a puncture roadside is not something they could currently manage. That said, for someone that can change a very occasional puncture and is doing bigger distances on the road, the Marathon Supreme is a far superior option, and most leisure riders would think of tyres as consumables much like chains, cassettes and brake pads.

tomasrojo

Miklos wrote: »

I've come down with a bizarre longing for a Brompton recently.. am I going mad?

I got one about eight years ago. I love it very much. God bless its tiny wheels.

Eamonnator

tomasrojo wrote: »

I got one about eight years ago. I love it very much. God bless its tiny wheels.

Pedalophile!!!

wanderer 22

No ice-cream van at the viewing point today :eek::(. What was he thinking??

Wishbone Ash

colm18 wrote: »

No ice-cream van at the viewing point today :eek::(. What was he thinking??

I'd say he went to one of the beaches instead.

wanderer 22

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I'd say he went to one of the beaches instead.

He should have consulted with me first.

tomasrojo

Doctor Bob wrote: »

My Twitter has been heaving for the last few days with messages from the Velo-City conference in Arnhem-Nijmegen (note to self: follower fewer bike nerds), but these two from the closing ceremony might be of interest here, in light of recent discussions re the Liffey etc. I presume our Lord Mayor is there to accept the cycling version of the Olympic torch, as Velo-City is in Dublin in 2019.


https://twitter.com/Velocity2017/status/875692922179641344


https://twitter.com/Velocity2017/status/875693980708728832

Not entirely sure he understood everything he saw in the Netherlands.

Dublin City Council press release said: “The Lord Mayor of Dublin Brendan Carr has announced that he is considering asking Dubliners to vote on whether people with disabilities should be allowed use cycle lanes in the city. This is prompted by the increasing number of pavement obstacles that people with visual and mobility disabilities have to navigate in Dublin City on a daily basis.”

http://irishcycle.com/2017/06/17/hold-vote-to-allow-visual-impaired-people-to-use-dublins-cycle-lanes-says-lord-mayor/

The irishcycle.com article goes on to consider why this is a pretty odd thing to ask.

magicbastarder

that is just bizarre.

Chuchote

Blind people with white sticks feeling their way along cycle lanes and into the vans and parked cars… sweet suffering…