Underage girl harrassed by security guard, cautioned by garda.

TadghsMuffins

[Deleted User] wrote: »

She put lipstick in her pocket and walked out of the shop. Knowingly or not, she was a shoplifter. Talk to the liason officer as mentioned and be honest. Tell her to be completely honest and to have better decisions in future.

Fair advice that, thank you.

twowheelsonly

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I could be wrong too, if it was one of my kids I'd be doing everything possible to not admit any guilt and get them away with it, might be worth one of her parents talking with the Garda involved in private, that's probably what I'd do and see could they agree something, it might involve putting the frightners on her but it would be a plan involving the parents.

Sorry if I came over a bit hard but I'm usually the one that's been shoplifted.

That's exactly what the Gardai will do and would be delighted to see the parents come on board with it. It's how the parents and the girl herself deal with it that will decide the outcome.
The Gardas' first step will be a chat with the girl and her parents and normally they'd then decide if an official juvenile caution is needed (which is usually done at the station rather than in the house). If they're all upfront and honest then it won't be a problem. She just needs to ensure that it's the first and last time though as Gardai don't like giving you a chance and having it thrown back at them. She won't get a second chance to escape a caution.

Little CuChulainn

It's important to remember that admission into the juvenile diversion program is conditional on the juvenile admitting the offence. Otherwise it goes back to the investigating Garda for prosecution. For a first offence the juvenile will generally get an informal caution. This is not something that appears on a list of previous convictions and it will not affect someone unless they don't change their ways.

2012paddy2012

TadghsMuffins wrote: »

I'm aware of this, it's not the action that's the issue it's the punishment. The being apprehended is of course going to happen mistake or not. It's the caution I'd like advice with

caution: Don't do it again , bye bye. that's it.

Next time she is caught , she will get the same again.


lucky to get a third , probably a summons and yet again another chance..
if she persists, its onto the criminal system and commence convictions.

she should be thrilled it didn't occur years ago before all this (do gooder)
I mean "caution" carry on started.

USA better , 3 strikes and your out. (or in I should say) Would not be as many undesirables wondering about here if authorities were tougher

drunkmonkey

2012paddy2012 wrote: »

caution: Don't do it again , bye bye. that's it.

Next time she is caught , she will get the same again.


lucky to get a third , probably a summons and yet again another chance..
if she persists, its onto the criminal system and commence convictions.

she should be thrilled it didn't occur years ago before all this (do gooder)
I mean "caution" carry on started.

USA better , 3 strikes and your out. (or in I should say) Would not be as many undesirables wondering about here if authorities were tougher

That's all fine unless the retailer wants to press charges.
Once is enough to get caught.

FreudianSlippers

2012paddy2012 wrote: »

USA better , 3 strikes and your out. (or in I should say) Would not be as many undesirables wondering about here if authorities were tougher

What States have three-strikes laws for misdemeanor crimes? As far as I understand it, California is the only State which could potentially count misdemeanor crimes but it's limited to such crimes being the third crime (i.e. following 2 felonies).

AnonoBoy

kid6 wrote: »

In the past I have walked out of shops with small things left in my pocket. In Tesco recently I walked out the front door with a 500ml bottle of water in my pocket. Made it half way down the car park before I realized and had to turn around and go back and pay for it. It is possible to mistakenly forget about something you placed in your pocket.

Why do you put things in your pocket in the first place?

If I'm in Tesco and getting more things than I can carry I use a basket or a trolley.

Mesrine65

colm_mcm wrote: »

AFAIK they can't stop someone to search for shoplifted items till they leave the store. They may well have seen her do it earlier.

Standard operating procedure would be to stop & ask the alleged shoplifter back into the security office once they have passed the last point of purchase.

In the case of anyone underage or a female, a member of staff/management will escort the S/O & shoplifter to the security office, where they will then be asked to return any goods they may have upon their person that has not been purchased.

This is all done under the watchful eye of CCTV.

A refusal to comply will then be reported to AGS, who will then attend & proceed with a search.

Due to the amount of awards re., false arrest, most security companies now operate a policy of 'No CCTV footage, no pull', unless you have corroborative eyes-on of the event & are willing to stop & detain on that merit.

FreudianSlippers

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Why do you put things in your pocket in the first place?

If I'm in Tesco and getting more things than I can carry I use a basket or a trolley.

I'll admit, I've done it... doing the lazy man's load and carrying a few too many things, stuck a bottle of water in the coat pocket. Never forgotten to pay though, considering I'm buying all the other stuff that I'm carrying like a baby through the shop

AnonoBoy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I'll admit, I've done it... doing the lazy man's load and carrying a few too many things, stuck a bottle of water in the coat pocket. Never forgotten to pay though, considering I'm buying all the other stuff that I'm carrying like a baby through the shop

Fair enough. It's not something I've ever done myself.