Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

WestWicklow1

PDVerse wrote: »

TomTom have integrated Eircode
https://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=220119&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Neither of my TomTom devices have any updated maps waiting to be installed and Eircodes do not work on https://mydrive.tomtom.com/en_ie

Full Eircodes have been visible within the addresses on MyDrive for quite a while but only the routing code is searchable.

My devices are on map v1000.8631 released 10/17.

beauf

Might only be on new devices? You'd have to ask them and see.

ukoda

beauf wrote: »

Might only be on new devices? You'd have to ask them and see.

The maps should be for all devices really. I just downloaded the tomtom app and downloaded the UK and Ireland maps and have the same issue as the above poster, routing keys are searchable but not the full eircode.

PDVerse

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

Neither of my TomTom devices have any updated maps waiting to be installed and Eircodes do not work on https://mydrive.tomtom.com/en_ie

Full Eircodes have been visible within the addresses on MyDrive for quite a while but only the routing code is searchable.

My devices are on map v1000.8631 released 10/17.

For the mydrive link (I haven't tested the app yet) you need to enter the full eircode without a space and choose the second item on the list. It looks like the first item is the centre of the routing key. Putting in a space completely confuses it. Hopefully this implementation will improve with customer feedback.

beauf

ukoda wrote: »

The maps should be for all devices really. I just downloaded the tomtom app and downloaded the UK and Ireland maps and have the same issue as the above poster, routing keys are searchable but not the full eircode.

I remember some used to have loc8 codes and some didn't.

Not back dating it could be a commercial decision. I don't know I'm just guessing.

PDVerse

PDVerse wrote: »

For the mydrive link (I haven't tested the app yet) you need to enter the full eircode without a space and choose the second item on the list. It looks like the first item is the centre of the routing key. Putting in a space completely confuses it. Hopefully this implementation will improve with customer feedback.

Unfortunately it isn't consistent. I tried D08, A86 and Y21 Eircodes and it was the second item, but when I tried an E34 Eircode it was the first item. I'm just guessing that if the centroid of a Routing Key isn't close enough to snap to the road network they don't have an option for it. If you do manage to guess the right option it brings you to the exact location. Needs more work.

PDVerse

I just checked https://wego.here.com and Eircode search works (first option, unfortunately doesn't show the full address) for some Eircodes, doesn't work for others. Had no difficulty with a D08, A86 or Y21 Eircode, but failed completely for a couple of F23 Eircodes. Needs more work.

Skedaddle

It certainly isn't working on Apple Maps, which uses TomTom data but, sure Apple maps never works anyway: I don't know anyone who uses it. A very much "me too" effort by Apple.

beauf

The lack of Love from Apple and its Apple Maps kinda baffles me.

WestWicklow1

PDVerse wrote: »

For the mydrive link (I haven't tested the app yet) you need to enter the full eircode without a space and choose the second item on the list. It looks like the first item is the centre of the routing key. Putting in a space completely confuses it. Hopefully this implementation will improve with customer feedback.

It's been like that for over six months now.

WestWicklow1

beauf wrote: »

You'd have to ask them and see.

I have. I'll let you know if I get a response.

sondagefaux

Well now...

18:15
Latest from the HSE...

• Due to the deteriorating weather conditions, our National Ambulance Service is prioritising emergency calls. We are asking people to consider if they have an absolute emergency situation before calling for an ambulance. If you do need to call an ambulance please know or have your Eircode to hand.

https://liveblog.irishtimes.com/a3f4aa3f27/The-Beast-from-the-East/

WestWicklow1

sondagefaux wrote: »

Well now...



https://liveblog.irishtimes.com/a3f4aa3f27/The-Beast-from-the-East/

I reckon the emergency services are NOT using TomTom devices!!

BonnieSituation

sondagefaux wrote: »

Well now...



https://liveblog.irishtimes.com/a3f4aa3f27/The-Beast-from-the-East/

First thing I thought of earlier when I read that was this thread.

plodder

I saw a report in the Business Post a few weeks ago, that only one TD (Leo Varadkar) used their Eircode in the latest Dáil Register of Interests. Not all TDs supplied an address, but of all the Irish addresses supplied in the register, only two, both supplied by the Taoiseach had an Eircode. The addresses would have been home addresses, or investment properties, or businesses. Quite a few foreign addresses were in it, most with postcodes.

JohnC.

Just took delivery of a package (from DPD) which had no name on it. Just the name of my rural miles long road, townland and Eircode. No problem getting to me. Checking back, it's actually the fourth time I've had this from the people who sent the package, but only noticed the lack of name now. Without Eircode, it would have to have been sent back to them.

Skedaddle

Sure it took long enough for some people to stop saying call us on “Dublin 999 1234” or call “Cork 999 1234” even though area codes for those places were in use since 1957.

You'll get foot dragging on Eircode by some too.

chewed

I just received my BER cert in the post. No mention of Eircode at all. You would think that something that is house-specific as a BER cert would have an Eircode?

beauf

JohnC. wrote: »

Just took delivery of a package (from DPD) which had no name on it. Just the name of my rural miles long road, townland and Eircode. No problem getting to me. Checking back, it's actually the fourth time I've had this from the people who sent the package, but only noticed the lack of name now. Without Eircode, it would have to have been sent back to them.

If you had an address and eircode with a typo they could cross check the error and correct it. Just using an eircode isn't smart.

Similarly if I get post with my house number but my neighbours name I know its probably and a typo for them.

WestWicklow1

beauf wrote: »

Might only be on new devices? You'd have to ask them and see.

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

I have. I'll let you know if I get a response.

I eventually received this reply from TomTom....

Eircode have not yet been integrated in TomTom own-branded devices. This is due to the nature of the Eircode product rather than the devices themselves.

I would emphasise that this press release focuses on fleet and logistics customers using our API services- we are sorry for any disappointment to personal users of TomTom products who might have expected Eircode to feature immediately. This is and will not be the case for some time due to complexities which are not always in our control.

I highlighted the word "not". I suspect it was just a typo and wasn't meant to be there.

PDVerse

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

I eventually received this reply from TomTom....

Eircode have not yet been integrated in TomTom own-branded devices. This is due to the nature of the Eircode product rather than the devices themselves.

I would emphasise that this press release focuses on fleet and logistics customers using our API services- we are sorry for any disappointment to personal users of TomTom products who might have expected Eircode to feature immediately. This is and will not be the case for some time due to complexities which are not always in our control.

I highlighted the word "not". I suspect it was just a typo and wasn't meant to be there.

The data and devices are both owned by TomTom, so there isn't anything that is outside their control. I think this statement is an admission that the consumer Sat-Nav market is effectively dead and they aren't willing to make any more investment in those devices.

I wonder if they plan to include it in newer built-in vehicle devices? Once Google Maps appeared these companies had to morph into customised API offerings for fleet/logistics. That explains why Here have updated their API but Sat-Nav companies like Garmin haven't incorporated Eircode into their devices.

That's the rate of change in IT, it only took a few years for SatNavs to go from the "must have" car gadget to "who buys a standalone SatNav?".

Skedaddle

It's still bizzare missing from Apple Maps.

HelgaWard

I think the reason it has been tricky for some of the sat nav companies to implement is because Eircodes here have a point geometry, whereas Postcodes usually have area based geometries, so it requires some changes. Can't understand why it is so complicated? I thought the likes of TomTom provide the car companies with their in-built navigation systems so it should still be necessary to get it to work?

plodder

HelgaWard wrote: »

I think the reason it has been tricky for some of the sat nav companies to implement is because Eircodes here have a point geometry, whereas Postcodes usually have area based geometries, so it requires some changes. Can't understand why it is so complicated? I thought the likes of TomTom provide the car companies with their in-built navigation systems so it should still be necessary to get it to work?

I don't think so. While UK postcodes (for example) are areas, they are represented as points in most published datasets. So, if you want to navigate to a UK postcode, you are sent to a specific centroid point.

HelgaWard

HelgaWard wrote: »

I think the reason it has been tricky for some of the sat nav companies to implement is because Eircodes here have a point geometry, whereas Postcodes usually have area based geometries, so it requires some changes. Can't understand why it is so complicated? I thought the likes of TomTom provide the car companies with their in-built navigation systems so it should still be necessary to get it to work?

Postcodes all over the world are done as points

Most likely they are too expensive and not worth it for such a small market

beauf

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Most likely they are too expensive and not worth it for such a small market

It's probably a rapidly disappearing market. Stand alone car navigation.

beauf

beauf wrote: »

It's probably a rapidly disappearing market. Stand alone car navigation.

For stand alone sat navs, yes, But not for location finding applications, that market is still growing for apps that operate on mobile phones & in car sat navs.

beauf

Does anyone Tom Tom for navigation on the mobile phone in Ireland?

I use TomTom app for speed camera. That's all.

beauf

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180205006098/en/TomTom-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-Full-Year-2017

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

For stand alone sat navs, yes, But not for location finding applications, that market is still growing for apps that operate on mobile phones & in car sat navs.

You need to look at who provides the map data, not the app's. there are only a few with the 2 biggest being Google and Openstreetmap, the others worth mentioning being Here, Bing, TomTom, Apple

For Google, they need dominance, hence their purchase of Eircode

OSM is a open licence, volunteer driven provider. Unless Eircode is released in a compatible licence, it will only show up sparingly in OSM

The others are not worth talking about